Can anyone who thinks we should have an overhaul or sack Mourinho post here please and explain why?

GBBQ said:
I'm not calling for Mourinho's sacking but can get why people are, he has form for letting things go south around this time.

Its hard to know what to do with the team. Feels like we've been clearing deadwood for 5 straight years and still need big investment. We have players who are extremely attack minded in Rashford, Martial, Sanchez, Pogba and Lukaku but we can't seem to find a way to bring the most out of them. Dare I say that other top 6 managers might have come up with better systems to accommodate these players?

In the end if this is to work long term, Mourinho is going to have to change. I can't imagine 26 years of this.
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Mostly because we had too many ageing players during the end of the SAF era and then bought so many average players during the LvG era

We've had gotten rid of some of the following: How many would you say were good enough to continue playing for us? Maybe Nani, di Maria and Evans.

Rio
Vidic
RvP
Rooney
Nani
Chica
Kagawa
Welbeck
Fletcher
Cleverley
Evans
di Maria
Schweinsteiger
Schneiderlin
Depay
Januzaj

We still have to get rid of some really poor players such as Blind and Darmian as well as replacing more ageing players including Valencia, Young, Carrick, Ibra.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Mostly because we had too many ageing players during the end of the SAF era and then bought so many average players during the LvG era

We've had gotten rid of some of the following: How many would you say were good enough to continue playing for us? Maybe Nani, di Maria and Evans.

Rio
Vidic
RvP
Rooney
Nani
Chica
Kagawa
Welbeck
Fletcher
Cleverley
Evans
di Maria
Schweinsteiger
Schneiderlin
Depay
Januzaj

We still have to get rid of some really poor players such as Blind and Darmian as well as replacing more ageing players including Valencia, Young, Carrick, Ibra.
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Not saying its not necessary to clear out the deadwood, just that its this constant state of flux that is causing issues.
 
GBBQ said:
Not saying its not necessary to clear out the deadwood, just that its this constant state of flux that is causing issues.
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Yeah, the first few seasons were probably expected. However, van Gaal truly failed in signing quality players and that's set us back a lot, even now. None of the players signed by him have been a success - Herrera, Rojo and Martial are the best of the lot but show no real consistency at this level. It's expected that among some very good acquisitions, you'll have players who'll ultimately fail at the club, however, it feels like we've had more of the latter than the former.
 
glazed said:
I know but it's a lot easier to change manager. Realistically.
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7+ of these players need to leave. Mourinho always had to rebuild this squad but some of these have already been here too long.
 
Im 50/50 on keeping Mourinho. My simple gripe is that regardless of the opposition or the end result, he has us approaching every game like we are the underdogs.

You can motivate the players all you like but if you go into every game primarily not to concede eventually it rubs off on the team mentality too. Fergie and Jose share many traits but Ferguson always made us believe we were better than the team we were playing and it was our job to show it.
 
haram said:
7+ of these players need to leave. Mourinho always had to rebuild this squad but some of these have already been here too long.
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While it's hard to argue that some of the squad players aren't that great - but he look like he's often unable to get decent performances out of players who were previously believed to be world class - though that's by no means a consistent or general thing. There's no reason to believe that would be any different if we changed those players for other players.

Bottom line: If he can't get Sanchez and Pogba playing well together, then do we sell them or sack him? Which is cheaper?
 
glazed said:
While it's hard to argue that some of the squad players aren't that great - but he look like he's often unable to get decent performances out of players who were previously believed to be world class - though that's by no means a consistent or general thing. There's no reason to believe that would be any different if we changed those players for other players.

Bottom line: If he can't get Sanchez and Pogba playing well together, then do we sell them or sack him? Which is cheaper?
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I think Pogba and Sanchez are in poor form and will simply get better. I'm not talking about these players. I'm talking about the actual shit ones.
 
Entire Overhaul? No. We do need quite a bit though. We need is a RW, CM, RB, LB & CB.

------De Gea
RB----Bailey---CB---LB
CM-----Matic----Pogba
Sanchez-----Martial
-------Lukaku

Everyone of those players above are top level players, enough to win any title in their positions.

Subs: Mata, Lingard, Jones, Romero, Rashford, McTominay, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Herrera (Forgive me if I forgot someone). I'd let go Fellaini, Young, Carrick, Ibrahimovic, Darmian.

Wishful thinking but if we somehow managed to land (realistic targets) Meunier, Sandro, Savic, a brilliant RW and a CB (few cheap options like Alderweireld ), we would have one of the best starting XI's in the world. The RW remains a mystery for me, adding a brilliant player with world class potential could take us up a level by adding more to our attacking from the right.

------------De Gea
Neunier-Bailey-Toby-Sandro
--Savic----Matic-----Pogba
Sanchez----Lukaku---Martial
 
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Highest league postion, highest post total since fergie and people want him sacked. Mind boggling.
 
Trizy said:
Entire Overhaul? No. We do need quite a bit though. We need is a RW, CM, RB, LB & CB.

------De Gea
RB-Bailey-CB-LB
CM-Matic-Pogba
RW-Sanchez-Martial
-----Lukaku

Everyone of those players above are top level players, enough to win any title in their positions.

Subs: Mata, Lingard, Jones, Romero, Rashford, McTominay, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Herrera (Forgive me if I forgot someone). I'd let go Fellaini, Young, Carrick, Ibrahimovic, Darmian.

Wishful thinking but if we somehow managed to land (realistic targets) Meunier, Sandro, Savic, a brilliant RW and a CB (few cheap options like Alderweireld ), we would have one of the best starting XI's in the world. The RW remains a mystery for me, adding a brilliant player with world class potential could take us up a level by adding more to our attacking from the right.

------------De Gea
Neunier-Bailey-Toby-Sandro
--Savic----Matic-----Pogba
RW------Sanchez---Martial
----------Lukaku
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4331?
 
Club is not going anywhere with Mourinho and his Jurassic period tactics. LvG lowered our standards to such a level that a few points improvement is making Mourinho into a messiah to some people. Look at the talent that we have in the squad, look at players like Lukaku, Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Pogba and Mata, when they are on the pitch, they have no fecking clue on how to attack as a unit. This is from a team which Mourinho has managed for 2 years.

City are going to be dominating for the next couple of years and I think only 2 clubs are going to be chasing them, but we are not going to be one of those clubs. Time for Woody to grow some balls again and ditch Mourinho like he did with LvG.

Time to start with a DOF team first and then get a manager who has a reputation for good football, and is willing to work with the players that we currently have and the players signed by a DOF team. Stay far away as possible from any manager who wants to only manage a football team with a check book.
 
Trizy said:
Entire Overhaul? No. We do need quite a bit though. We need is a RW, CM, RB, LB & CB.

------De Gea
RB----Bailey---CB---LB
CM-----Matic----Pogba
Sanchez-----Martial
-------Lukaku

Everyone of those players above are top level players, enough to win any title in their positions.

Subs: Mata, Lingard, Jones, Romero, Rashford, McTominay, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Herrera (Forgive me if I forgot someone). I'd let go Fellaini, Young, Carrick, Ibrahimovic, Darmian.

Wishful thinking but if we somehow managed to land (realistic targets) Meunier, Sandro, Savic, a brilliant RW and a CB (few cheap options like Alderweireld ), we would have one of the best starting XI's in the world. The RW remains a mystery for me, adding a brilliant player with world class potential could take us up a level by adding more to our attacking from the right.

------------De Gea
Neunier-Bailey-Toby-Sandro
--Savic----Matic-----Pogba
Sanchez----Lukaku---Martial
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We need 3 new starters in defence but we have the 2nd best defence statistically in the league and similar even before Mourinho's time under LVG?
 
BennyBlanco said:
We need 3 new starters in defence but we have the 2nd best defence statistically in the league and similar even before Mourinho's time under LVG?
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Our defenders aren't bad and we play defensively. Of course the stats will look good on paper. Not to mention De Gea is having one of his best seasons, ever.

LB, RB - Our current fullbacks offer nothing in attack. Fullbacks that can offer in attack are a must in the modern game. They add an entire new dimension to your attack. Young will have one good attacking game out of every 10 and Valencia bombs forward and passes back 9 times out of 10 (plus he can't cross to save his life).

CB - Our current group are too injury prone. Out with the old and in with the newer harder defender.

CM - With Carrick and Fellaini on the way out, we need to add a CM. Preferably a starter because a CM with McTominay won't be winning the league any time soon.

RW - Self explanatory for the past 6-7 years.


The above list is wishful thinking to address in one window but, they are upgrades we need.
 
Some may feel this is as good as it gets with him.

I don't think we need an overhaul, but ideally we need to sign 4 or 5 players during the summer.
 
bucky said:
Some may feel this is as good as it gets with him.

I don't think we need an overhaul, but ideally we need to sign 4 or 5 players during the summer.
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Mourinho in or out, I do think the best direction is

1. Laying grounds for a pattern of play (possession/defensive-counter/high press/gengen press etc)
2. Getting the best of the current players with re to the decided pattern of play
3. Shipping out players who don't fit the bill
4. Getting in players to replace departed players
5. Win trophies

Where we try to start from no. 5, there will be issues.
 
Trizy said:
Entire Overhaul? No. We do need quite a bit though. We need is a RW, CM, RB, LB & CB.

------De Gea
RB----Bailey---CB---LB
CM-----Matic----Pogba
Sanchez-----Martial
-------Lukaku

Everyone of those players above are top level players, enough to win any title in their positions.

Subs: Mata, Lingard, Jones, Romero, Rashford, McTominay, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Herrera (Forgive me if I forgot someone). I'd let go Fellaini, Young, Carrick, Ibrahimovic, Darmian.

Wishful thinking but if we somehow managed to land (realistic targets) Meunier, Sandro, Savic, a brilliant RW and a CB (few cheap options like Alderweireld ), we would have one of the best starting XI's in the world. The RW remains a mystery for me, adding a brilliant player with world class potential could take us up a level by adding more to our attacking from the right.

------------De Gea
Neunier-Bailey-Toby-Sandro
--Savic----Matic-----Pogba
Sanchez----Lukaku---Martial
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100% Agree with everything you've said, from who we should be selling to who we should be bringing in. That team would be capable of competing for years to come.
 
Trizy said:
Our defenders aren't bad and we play defensively. Of course the stats will look good on paper. Not to mention De Gea is having one of his best seasons, ever.

LB, RB - Our current fullbacks offer nothing in attack. Fullbacks that can offer in attack are a must in the modern game. They add an entire new dimension to your attack. Young will have one good attacking game out of every 10 and Valencia bombs forward and passes back 9 times out of 10 (plus he can't cross to save his life).

CB - Our current group are too injury prone. Out with the old and in with the newer harder defender.

CM - With Carrick and Fellaini on the way out, we need to add a CM. Preferably a starter because a CM with McTominay won't be winning the league any time soon.

RW - Self explanatory for the past 6-7 years.


The above list is wishful thinking to address in one window but, they are upgrades we need.
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My take is, I don't feel us upgrading a few defenders with slightly better versions to the tune of a hundred or two million will make a worthwhile note how we approach games under Mourinho, the tactics employed, the lack of tempo & urgency in our play, or the consistent lack of cohesion shown from our attacking unit.

Not that I object to upgrading the odd player this summer, but I dont see it solving any of the issues I and a lot of others find fault in with Mourinho's time here by itself.
 
haram said:
I think Pogba and Sanchez are in poor form and will simply get better. I'm not talking about these players. I'm talking about the actual shit ones.
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That's all of them at the moment bar Matic, Lukaku and DdG
 
Scroto Baggins said:
This whole attacking football thing is a bit of a misnomer. Pochettino's Spurs have scored one, yes one more goal than us in the EPL this season. Where is the idea that somehow Pochettino's Spurs are some sort of attacking masterclass we should be replicating coming from?

Had you said Liverpool id tend more to agree with you for attacking flair and intent. But then, you can drive a bus through Liverpools defense sometimes. Although they have seen some improvement recently, but this is the danger of the high press, if you manage to break it the CB's are exposed. Look at the Spurs game vs Juve, this site would have been in meltdown if that was us throwing away a 2 away goal draw and 1-0 up at home game.
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Look how they play, their pressing, they always look dangerous, they always go for the goal, Yes they have score one more goal than us BUT look at their players and our players, they depend so much on Kane, we have 3 times more quality than their players they are just not being exploded in the right direction. For example:
Rashford - was on fire now he sometimes play on the left and sometimes on the right.
Alexis - Where is he?
Martial - was on fire now he's warming the bench.
Pogba - On the bench.
Mata - Sometimes he plays sometimes on the bench
Lingard - Same

We don't even have one defined starting XI. When we thought we'd see the same team that defeated Liverpool against Sevilla...SURPRISE! McTominay, who was on fire, on the bench and we got Fellaini...

This is getting ridiculous, what I personally don't like it is not that we are in 2nd right now, is our defensive style against big teams and how Mou kill every player's good run.

Sorry for bad english.
 
Bottom line is, had Mourinho been doing a good job, there wouldn't be such a divide in opinion amongst fans. And it's quite frankly tiring spending more time having headache over the team you support manager than spending it enjoying your time following the team.

Mourinho is just proving all the clichés talked about him before he join us. We were told he'll be a divisive figure, he split opinions, will still play horrible football, locker room problems, public outbursts etc.

Of course we were well aware of that but the hope was always that he'd have learned by this point and would settle down. And to those who didn't see that happening as in Mourinho learning, the hope was that we'll get some quick success under him before his inevitable meltdowns.

Unfortunately we didn't even taste that success that was supposed to be the sweetener in this Mourinho's gamble. And he still didn't change at all. As petty as ever and this time with us being our unfortunate selves we didn't even get to see those instant successes from Mourinho.

Now we're in danger of seeing our incompetent board allow this madness to go on for a while until it's too late. We'll probably lose talented players, shipped elsewhere while veterans with 2 years of top level football left coming him.

I mean this is the same boards while in Moyes and Van Gaal time waited until we were mathematically or downright completely out of top 4 to fired those managers instead of acting like what every functioning top team would do, which would be sacking them while signs were glaring and try salvaging some top 4 finish.

But no let's wait till it's mathematically impossible so we can save some few million from the contract. Those morons were less worried about footballing reasons. No wonder I can see Mourinho being allowed to stink up the place a good few more years when in reality he should be getting the sack for the sake of our future.
 
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Sagittarius13 said:
Look how they play, their pressing, they always look dangerous, they always go for the goal, Yes they have score one more goal than us BUT look at their players and our players, they depend so much on Kane, we have 3 times more quality than their players they are just not being exploded in the right direction. For example:
Rashford - was on fire now he sometimes play on the left and sometimes on the right.
Alexis - Where is he?
Martial - was on fire now he's warming the bench.
Pogba - On the bench.
Mata - Sometimes he plays sometimes on the bench
Lingard - Same

We don't even have one defined starting XI. When we thought we'd see the same team that defeated Liverpool against Sevilla...SURPRISE! McTominay, who was on fire, on the bench and we got Fellaini...

This is getting ridiculous, what I personally don't like it is not that we are in 2nd right now, is our defensive style against big teams and how Mou kill every player's good run.

Sorry for bad english.
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What's ridiculous is you're completely ignoring the progress we've made under Mou. Our transfers have been better, we're winning more games and trophies, we're getting more points, we're scoring more goals and at least this season there have been games where we've shown good football. Van Gaal and Moyes couldn't do any of those things. But the grass is always greener on the other side isn't it?

Rashford - Was on fire, then played shite for several games in a row and was deservedly dropped in favour of Martial
Alexis - Only joined in january, needs a bit of time to settle into the team and was already out of form at Arsenal so that's not down to Jose at all. Just needs a bit of time.
Martial - Was doing well, then got injured, then Rashford took his place and did well. Rashford and Martial are fighting for one position, they can't be on the pitch at the same time and when they were our team was playing shite as a result.
Pogba - Was doing well untill his injury, never been the same afterwards and deservedly got benched. Perhaps he isn't fully fit yet.
Mata - Isn't very consistent.
Lingard - Isn't very intelligent (at least footballing-wise), works hard, sometimes scores a great goal but overall not good enough. Bit of a headless chicken at times.

Sevilla was a tactical mistake from Jose but he's human isn't he? What I don't get is why people always blame Jose when a player isn't playing well. Aren't players responsible for their performances anymore?
 
I wrote this in another thread and felt it would be applicable to this thread, too.

sunama said:
I remember us playing CFC 2 years ago.
We had I think 71% possession and we lost (CFC vs MUFC @ Stamford Bridge).
I think that was when it dawned on me that playing great football. High possession. Dominating the opponent. And then losing the game is painful and frustrating. I decided on that day, that I'd rather dominate the match less, but come away with a win. Winning is all that matters, now, especially given that we haven't won the league in 5 years.

5 years of no league win, can turn into 10, 20 or even 30 years. Ask Liverpool about this.
IMO, we need to win a league asap, hook or by crook. The longer we go without a league win, the more difficult it will be to re-gain it (again, using Liverpool's example).
If you need further evidence notice how long it's taking Jose to take us back to the top. Notice how LVG just could not get us into the top 3 and eventually conceded that we should not expect to win the league. Had Jose or LVG taken over immediately after SAF, the pressure and expectation would've been to win the league immediately.

We need to win that league, whichever way possible and Jose is exactly the right manager to deliver that. I believe that now more than ever.
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Firstly I do understand the positivity, we are now second, haven't seen that since the Fergie days, and maybe a sniff at an FA cup. We have Tottenham next on their home turf, well we saw what happened last time, not too confident.
Getting back to Jose I understand the idea of stability but if you look at the last couple of weeks, things seem to be going tits up for Jose. The Pogba drama, Sanchez not performing, Rashford and Martial being unsettled and football still dire to watch and lets not start on the Sevilla game. Since Sanchez has come into the team we have seen more regression than progression in the team.
Lets not forget his last couple of press conferences, blaming everything and everyone and throwing nearly all his players under the bus in the media. That does not portray stability and fill me with confidence for the future, Jose's history has proven otherwise. Besides that awful game/loss to Sevilla, it wasn't just another PL game, bump in the road, this was United on the world stage, the CL which also could have an influence on future sponsorship etc.
We talk about improvement, our defence wasn't that bad under LvG we had Mike Smalling, Young as a converted wing back putting in the best performances in a long time. Martial doing well, first season and all, Rashford's breakthrough lighting up the PL with this new talent etc, although the football was a bore to watch and we all knew it wasn't going to get better, we all knew LvG had to go.
The big question is who has Jose, player wise, improved since he took over at Utd?
If it was completely up to Jose in the transfer market, (without some kind of interference from the board) he would always choose ready made players, ageing as mentioned by others, but players who he doesn't really have to coach or improve.

I understand that we don't want to be another club that continually hires and fires managers. I also understand the question, who is out there who could come in and would be better than Jose or do a better job? That is the million dollar question, but if you don't look further than Jose's history/trophy cabinet and maybe try something or someone else, you will never know.
When this question rises about Jose I always have to think back to his time at RM, he didn't leave there on good terms. Since then that same team has had 3 different managers, have won domestic cups and have won the CL 3x and are well on their way to a forth. RM could've also gone with, who is better out there and stuff player power etc but then again had they kept hold of Jose who knows what would've happened, it was already ugly when he left.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
What's ridiculous is you're completely ignoring the progress we've made under Mou. Our transfers have been better, we're winning more games and trophies, we're getting more points, we're scoring more goals and at least this season there have been games where we've shown good football. Van Gaal and Moyes couldn't do any of those things. But the grass is always greener on the other side isn't it?

Rashford - Was on fire, then played shite for several games in a row and was deservedly dropped in favour of Martial
Alexis - Only joined in january, needs a bit of time to settle into the team and was already out of form at Arsenal so that's not down to Jose at all. Just needs a bit of time.
Martial - Was doing well, then got injured, then Rashford took his place and did well. Rashford and Martial are fighting for one position, they can't be on the pitch at the same time and when they were our team was playing shite as a result.
Pogba - Was doing well untill his injury, never been the same afterwards and deservedly got benched. Perhaps he isn't fully fit yet.
Mata - Isn't very consistent.
Lingard - Isn't very intelligent (at least footballing-wise), works hard, sometimes scores a great goal but overall not good enough. Bit of a headless chicken at times.

Sevilla was a tactical mistake from Jose but he's human isn't he? What I don't get is why people always blame Jose when a player isn't playing well. Aren't players responsible for their performances anymore?
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He also got the lineup, the substituions and the strategy wrong by enforcing a negative/defensive mindset on the players. A bad day at the office for Jose, we all have them from time to time, he could have been forgiven had he faced his mistakes like a man and took responsibility for his actions, rather than compound the problem further with his bizzare comments during the after match presser.

The fact that he felt the need to remind us of his past achievements during his stints at RM and Porto (implying that he knows what he's doing so it must have been the players at fault) is what bothered me most. When you find yourself having to coinvince others of your greatness, on a regular basis I might add, maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror and accept a few home truths, you're not quite as great as you once were, a few alterations in your approach to the tactical side of the modern game may be required in order to avoid debacles such as the Sevilla game.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
What's ridiculous is you're completely ignoring the progress we've made under Mou. Our transfers have been better, we're winning more games and trophies, we're getting more points, we're scoring more goals and at least this season there have been games where we've shown good football. Van Gaal and Moyes couldn't do any of those things. But the grass is always greener on the other side isn't it?

Rashford - Was on fire, then played shite for several games in a row and was deservedly dropped in favour of Martial
Alexis - Only joined in january, needs a bit of time to settle into the team and was already out of form at Arsenal so that's not down to Jose at all. Just needs a bit of time.
Martial - Was doing well, then got injured, then Rashford took his place and did well. Rashford and Martial are fighting for one position, they can't be on the pitch at the same time and when they were our team was playing shite as a result.
Pogba - Was doing well untill his injury, never been the same afterwards and deservedly got benched. Perhaps he isn't fully fit yet.
Mata - Isn't very consistent.
Lingard - Isn't very intelligent (at least footballing-wise), works hard, sometimes scores a great goal but overall not good enough. Bit of a headless chicken at times.

Sevilla was a tactical mistake from Jose but he's human isn't he? What I don't get is why people always blame Jose when a player isn't playing well. Aren't players responsible for their performances anymore?
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Wow, jumping into conclusions huh? First of all I don¡t know where you get that I ignore the progress under Mou, one thing is I don't like our style of play and other different is the progress under him. I actually want Mou to succeed here and I'd hate if he leaves because that would be another setback in our progress, of course we are a better team than under Moyes or LvG But I'm still not convinced about the way we play, what Mou does to our players, how we don't have a starting XI defined at this point. If you are happy with Mou and you support everything he does that's ok for me BUT you have to acknowledge that the fact we are out of the Champions League against SEVILLA and the way we got defeated is related to the fact we are still not good enough because our manager's style of play and that's why I'm still not convinced.

Sorry for bad english.
 
Sagittarius13 said:
Wow, jumping into conclusions huh? First of all I don¡t know where you get that I ignore the progress under Mou, one thing is I don't like our style of play and other different is the progress under him. I actually want Mou to succeed here and I'd hate if he leaves because that would be another setback in our progress, of course we are a better team than under Moyes or LvG But I'm still not convinced about the way we play, what Mou does to our players, how we don't have a starting XI defined at this point. If you are happy with Mou and you support everything he does that's ok for me BUT you have to acknowledge that the fact we are out of the Champions League against SEVILLA and the way we got defeated is related to the fact we are still not good enough because our manager's style of play and that's why I'm still not convinced.

Sorry for bad english.
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Well yes, this is a thread about either people having to explain why they want to sack him or why we need an overhaul and your post is pretty anti Mourinho so I assumed you want him sacked. Apparently that's not the case, but you do seem to blame him for just about every problem we're having at the moment. I get that a manager carries a lot of responsibility but so should the players imho. I don't think the current lack of form of our players is down to the manager. The only player who's been positively consistent for us since SAF is De Gea. I think a change of culture is needed. We don't have enough leaders in the squad. Players don't seem to want to fight for the club or their place in the team. That has to change.
 
We have loads of amazing players and a generally young squad. Anyone calling for an overhaul is mental.

Mourinho is more of a subjective thing. Personally I don't like his footballing tendencies and I've never thought he was a natural fit for us but I definitely don't want us to fire him until the end of next season at the latest. Because even if he's imperfect and an awkward fit he's obviously gifted enough to justify a proper spell in charge, and probably to succeed to some extent with us, even if it won't be the sort of success that lasts for ages. He's already won us two major trophies, let's not forget.

What we mustn't do, first and foremost, is take any backwards steps. Pogba, De Gea and Martial must all be retained. You can't let your best players wander off as soon as you go through a tough spell.
 
Mou's biggest fan but he needs to set down roots and create a dynasty and build on the reputation he's got. I feel this is his moment to step up against Pep to really triumph. Whomever succeeds over the next 4-5 years in the PL for me will go down as the greatest. If he was to cut and run I think he'll forever be in Pep's shadow.
 
Mourinho wants an overhaul this summer yet he is constantly getting nothing out of the players he has. We don't have a lot of world beaters on the team but from the youth we do have i expect a lot more....what are a new set of players going to do differently with his outdated? system/tactics?

I understand a lot of the fault falls onto the players shoulders....for the most part I doubt any of them truly understand what's it like to play for such a club....most are just collecting a check...the Fergie boys understood...but Fergie made sure of that where I hink Mou doesnt. I'd like to see Mourinho succeed but he's I don't see it happening...you have Pogba and Sanchez....how can a manager not be able to motivate these guys and get them to produce on decent level?

I think Pogba is over Mourinho....which will cost him his time at the club....would he care? What I'd be upset about is if and when Mou cuts some of these players loose they go on and have major personal success at other clubs.
 
Pscholes18 said:
Mourinho wants an overhaul this summer yet he is constantly getting nothing out of the players he has. We don't have a lot of world beaters on the team but from the youth we do have i expect a lot more....what are a new set of players going to do differently with his outdated? system/tactics?

I understand a lot of the fault falls onto the players shoulders....for the most part I doubt any of them truly understand what's it like to play for such a club....most are just collecting a check...the Fergie boys understood...but Fergie made sure of that where I hink Mou doesnt. I'd like to see Mourinho succeed but he's I don't see it happening...you have Pogba and Sanchez....how can a manager not be able to motivate these guys and get them to produce on decent level?

I think Pogba is over Mourinho....which will cost him his time at the club....would he care? What I'd be upset about is if and when Mou cuts some of these players loose they go on and have major personal success at other clubs.
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What players understood under SAF was that player after player who underperformed....he'd succeed them all....it will take a few seasons of Mou doing similar before that hit's home as the status quo once again.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Well yes, this is a thread about either people having to explain why they want to sack him or why we need an overhaul and your post is pretty anti Mourinho so I assumed you want him sacked. Apparently that's not the case, but you do seem to blame him for just about every problem we're having at the moment. I get that a manager carries a lot of responsibility but so should the players imho. I don't think the current lack of form of our players is down to the manager. The only player who's been positively consistent for us since SAF is De Gea. I think a change of culture is needed. We don't have enough leaders in the squad. Players don't seem to want to fight for the club or their place in the team. That has to change.
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Well yes, I blame him for most of our current player's form but I also have to give him credit for all the progress the team have made in the last few years.
 
Sagittarius13 said:
Well yes, I blame him for most of our current player's form but I also have to give him credit for all the progress the team have made in the last few years.
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Sanchez has come out saying he expected better of himself...I've never seen that before...thats a measure of the man for me....once you cross that white line....you have to take that level of responsibility.
 
Sagittarius13 said:
Well yes, I blame him for most of our current player's form but I also have to give him credit for all the progress the team have made in the last few years.
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True or they would be gone.....I don't know, have a lot of different thoughts about Mou but one thing is for sure that second leg against Sevilla told me a lot about him....Fergie would of never let that happen.
 
Pscholes18 said:
True or they would be gone.....I don't know, have a lot of different thoughts about Mou but one thing is for sure that second leg against Sevilla told me a lot about him....Fergie would of never let that happen.
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We went out with dire performances for what seemed like a decade under SAF....before he found his "rhythm".......
 
I think we will bring in 4 or even 5 players, but Mourinho will stay. The backline will be improved with a CB and full backs and a CM and maybe a right winger, if not a second Midfielder.
 
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