Can anyone who thinks we should have an overhaul or sack Mourinho post here please and explain why?

[MoBeats]

We're probably going to need an overhaul the way things are going if he stays. He's going to have lost the dressing room by the end of the season it looks like.

 

[bosnian_red]

Main reason is that his dream team, the style of play he wants to build towards given unlimited funds is not something I want at United. Always reactive to other teams tactics, not how you can destroy them and be the best outright.

 

[Who gives a...]

We went out with dire performances for what seemed like a decade under SAF....before he found his "rhythm".......

Exactly. Even 2005/6 we went out in the Champions League in a group that comprised Benfica, Villarreal and Lille with some awful performances. Two years later, with a few good signings, we win it.

Not saying Mourinho will repeat this and shouldn't be criticised because of one piece of history. But one awful performance against Seville and some Mourinho press conferences by the same token doesn't mean the club is broken. It has however given a lot of people the opportunity to get their knickers in a pretty big twist about it all.

If he screws up the next transfer window then he will have problems, but if he gets it right, who knows. Its not like he hasnt built title winning and European cup winning teams before.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

The problem isn't getting knocked out by Sevilla. We've been knocked out by relatively speaking poor (or at least poorer – than us) teams before, and anything can happen in a knockout tournament, etc. Anyone with a modicum of sense realizes this and it doesn't have to be pointed out as if it were something people haven't considered.

The problem is that the Sevilla match will be seen as symptomatic by those who are skeptical about Jose (I won't talk about those who simply detest him). We treated an inferior (nobody buys the idea that Sevilla are actually a very good side) opponent with far too much respect/caution over two legs and lost – that's what the skeptics will say – as a result of this. The same thing, or something very similar, has happened before – his Chelsea side were knocked out because they were inexplicably afraid to simply kill their opponent, who was begging for it, off.

It's not a so-called knee-jerk reaction to an isolated result but rather legitimate (in my opinion) concern (certainly also the usual overreactions, which are less legitimate, but the pro-Mou segment on here shouldn't pretend that everyone who “moans” about the manager are raving “haters”) over José's approach to certain games.

 

[SecondFig]

The problem isn't getting knocked out by Sevilla...

The problem is that the Sevilla match will be seen as symptomatic by those who are skeptical about Jose (I won't talk about those who simply detest him). We treated an inferior (nobody buys the idea that Sevilla are actually a very good side) opponent with far too much respect/caution over two legs and lost – that's what the skeptics will say – as a result of this. The same thing, or something very similar, has happened before – his Chelsea side were knocked out because they were inexplicably afraid to simply kill their opponent, who was begging for it, off.

Exactly - I can remember us getting knocked out of Europe by a whole host of "inferior" sides during Fergie's reign. The problem with the Sevilla game wasn't that we lost, that happens. It's that over the two legs, against a side with (at the time at least) a negative goal difference in La Liga) we showed no ambition and no willingness to attack them. Instead, we treated them like a stronger side, letting them have the ball and just sitting off. It was pathetic to watch, and Sevilla quite deserved to go through over the two legs

 

[Andy_Cole]

Main reason is that his dream team, the style of play he wants to build towards given unlimited funds is not something I want at United. Always reactive to other teams tactics, not how you can destroy them and be the best outright.

Yup exactly this.

 

[SwSw]

Main reason is that his dream team, the style of play he wants to build towards given unlimited funds is not something I want at United. Always reactive to other teams tactics, not how you can destroy them and be the best outright.

Say Mourinho gets the boot at the end of next season, i still think we would be in a better position than when we were before this. Despite his style being unpleasant to the eyes, his dealings in the transfer market so far has been pretty good. So, if we lose the man, we definitely won't be going through another transition.

 

[Vinnie Peetang]

It's mind-boggling that we have a manager that wins trophies wherever he goes, and we want him out. This fanbase has no clue at all. Our foundations are solid and almost impenetrable. For the next 2 seasons, we can start building the attack. What don't people get?

 

[Jazz]

Exactly - I can remember us getting knocked out of Europe by a whole host of "inferior" sides during Fergie's reign. The problem with the Sevilla game wasn't that we lost, that happens. It's that over the two legs, against a side with (at the time at least) a negative goal difference in La Liga) we showed no ambition and no willingness to attack them. Instead, we treated them like a stronger side, letting them have the ball and just sitting off. It was pathetic to watch, and Sevilla quite deserved to go through over the two legs

Judging by his comments in the CNN interview, Mourinho doesn't understand (or is pretending to) that this defeat is down to the methods he employs. If he doesn't understand, or care, what is the point of letting him spend more money on his type of players? Why put up with his embarrassing behaviour (as we've witnessed post Sevilla), or his obvious lack of judgment when it comes to certain players?
He will not change.

 

[Raees]

The only positive to keeping Jose is that some of the names we have been linked to this summer seem perfect fits for what the club does need in terms of personnel. Whether we get them in or not is a different question and I still don't think he's the right man to get the best out of those new signings but at least we would see the squad improve and be in a good position whenever he does eventually depart.

 

[Who gives a...]

The problem isn't getting knocked out by Sevilla. We've been knocked out by relatively speaking poor (or at least poorer – than us) teams before, and anything can happen in a knockout tournament, etc. Anyone with a modicum of sense realizes this and it doesn't have to be pointed out as if it were something people haven't considered.

The problem is that the Sevilla match will be seen as symptomatic by those who are skeptical about Jose (I won't talk about those who simply detest him). We treated an inferior (nobody buys the idea that Sevilla are actually a very good side) opponent with far too much respect/caution over two legs and lost – that's what the skeptics will say – as a result of this. The same thing, or something very similar, has happened before – his Chelsea side were knocked out because they were inexplicably afraid to simply kill their opponent, who was begging for it, off.

It's not a so-called knee-jerk reaction to an isolated result but rather legitimate (in my opinion) concern (certainly also the usual overreactions, which are less legitimate, but the pro-Mou segment on here shouldn't pretend that everyone who “moans” about the manager are raving “haters”) over José's approach to certain games.

Since the Seville game there has been an explosion of threads about Mourinho. A lot of them have content that address concerns and were being made by posters well before the Seville game. Those concerns would still have been legitimate if we had gone through or not as one performance won't mask underlying ills. I have concerns about Mourinho too, but I had these far before the Seville game and the general hyper-bole since is exactly that. I'd give him far more time as I think we are nowhere near the position that Moyes and Van Gaal had got us and that while we are miles off where we could be, I can see progress away from that.

My point is that every team goes through transitional phases, this year we may have taken a step back from last year but maybe its what we need to do. The 'knee-jerkers' either didn't see SAF have low points before his great United teams or are conveniently forgetting that because they like their shiny new Seville sized stick to beat Mourinho with, because he has an ego and is pragmatic, is not SAF and will be forever 'anti-football' with him in charge.

As I said, I don't believe the club is broken like 'a lot' (not all) of people are seeming to suggest based on the state of some posters (not all) since one match and a couple of press conferences less than two weeks ago.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Since the Seville game there has been an explosion of threads about Mourinho. A lot of them have content that address concerns and were being made by posters well before the Seville game. Those concerns would still have been legitimate if we had gone through or not as one performance won't mask underlying ills. I have concerns about Mourinho too, but I had these far before the Seville game and the general hyper-bole since is exactly that. I'd give him far more time as I think we are nowhere near the position that Moyes and Van Gaal had got us and that while we are miles off where we could be, I can see progress away from that.

My point is that every team goes through transitional phases, this year we may have taken a step back from last year but maybe its what we need to do. The 'knee-jerkers' either didn't see SAF have low points before his great United teams or are conveniently forgetting that because they like their shiny new Seville sized stick to beat Mourinho with, because he has an ego and is pragmatic, is not SAF and will be forever 'anti-football' with him in charge.

As I said, I don't believe the club is broken like 'a lot' (not all) of people are seeming to suggest based on the state of some posters (not all) since one match and a couple of press conferences less than two weeks ago.

This really isn't the right thread for it, but nevertheless:

The problem for many fans at the moment is not that there has been no progress, or that Jose hasn't done a better job, objectively speaking (results, points per game, whatever metric is more or less relevant) than Moyes or LVG. He clearly has.

However (and this is the problem), only people who have a thing for him see what has happened thus far under Jose as the sort of progress which fills one with confidence that we're truly on the right track (that it's only a matter of time – or a matter of giving him more time – before the inevitable success follows). More “neutral” fans (with regard to Jose himself) simply don't see this.

Speaking for myself, I don't like – at all – the fact that we still don't look like much of a team. One can always hope – and I still do – that bringing in the right couple (or 3, or 4 – who knows) players will, finally, make it click and see us turn into a consistently performing machine of the sort Jose has assembled in the past. But there is little I've seen so far which can be read as undeniable signs that this will happen.

Here and now (after close to two full seasons) we seem to rely entirely on transfers for basic cohesion: the manager is seemingly incapable of making the current alternatives click – it's always “he needs X, Y and Z” and not in order to win the CL, everyone understands that the current team isn't strong enough in terms of individual quality – but in order to play consistently well, like a unit. This isn't very comforting.

And it's not about demanding brilliant football: Personally, I'd be happy with Jose style football if the latter was on display consistently and convincingly. It hasn't been, though: Flashes here and there which a skeptic could chalk up to the fact that we – actually – do have individual players in key positions who are capable of producing match winning moments (rather than to managerial excellence – you don't get credit for having created a good team on the basis of a few excellent halves of football scattered here and there; that simply isn't the way it works, not when the expectations are what they are, and should be).

 

[Cee90]

I was very happy when we announced Jose, but I've really become quite disgruntled by his management lately.

Willing to give him 1 more year to sort it out.

 

[MR Reese]

It's mind-boggling that we have a manager that wins trophies wherever he goes, and we want him out. This fanbase has no clue at all. Our foundations are solid and almost impenetrable. For the next 2 seasons, we can start building the attack. What don't people get?

He is a has been.Living on past reputation.With the funds he has at his disposal he has done poorly.Look at Pep

 

[bosnian_red]

Say Mourinho gets the boot at the end of next season, i still think we would be in a better position than when we were before this. Despite his style being unpleasant to the eyes, his dealings in the transfer market so far has been pretty good. So, if we lose the man, we definitely won't be going through another transition.

Yeah I agree. Not saying he's flopped, just that going forward, I don't see him sitting well ever with the club. We have a very good squad of players imo and a team with the likes of De gea, Valencia, bailly, matic, herrera, pogba, martial, rashford, mata, lingard, sanchez and lukaku under the right manager could play brilliant stuff. Some holes like not knowing who the clear CB partner or the left back problem, and midfield not quite being balanced, but we could still play much better stuff with loads of other managers.

 

[Fergie Steps In]

Exactly - I can remember us getting knocked out of Europe by a whole host of "inferior" sides during Fergie's reign. The problem with the Sevilla game wasn't that we lost, that happens. It's that over the two legs, against a side with (at the time at least) a negative goal difference in La Liga) we showed no ambition and no willingness to attack them. Instead, we treated them like a stronger side, letting them have the ball and just sitting off. It was pathetic to watch, and Sevilla quite deserved to go through over the two legs

Very well said. The problem with the Sevilla match was not the result. The problem was how we tried get a result. Our plan A for that match was unacceptable, and the fans really deserve better.

 

[Eli Zee]

Replace mourinho with a more attacking minded coach.... I find myself bored or disappointed watching mufc play and I think it’s down to tactics more than it is players

 

[BennyBlanco]

I'm in the camp who want to jettison him but we still need to have a better manager in mind to replace him before we pull the trigger. Right now i'm not seeing that clear candidate. Whereas with LVG for example, it was an obvious decision to get rid when Mourinho was waiting in the wings.

So long as we can't identify the better candidate I think we have to stick with him, he's done a good job overhauling the squad in comparison to Moyes & LVG's purchases.
I still wish we hadn't given him a new contract though, i'm not sure how much more shit football I can take, Moyes football in to LvG's into Mourinho's.. Jesus Christ.

 

[MoskvaRed]

The Mourinho In vs Mourinho Out question is not the real issue IMO. We need an overarching structure in place on the football side so that we are not putting all our chips on whoever happens to be the manager. Without that base, we will be lurching from one extreme to the other while spending vast sums of money on a constant turnaround of players. Rather like the 70’s/80s Docherty to Sexton to Big Ron to Fergie in fact...

To answer the original question, Mourinho should get an extra season but, unless we finish strongly in terms of performances, I’d be wary of giving him carte blanche to reshape the team.

 

[UnitedForever123]

Hard question to answer because if Jose is given another 200m plus and has a clear out of the players we have, he will only sign players that would suit his style of football.

I personally can't see Jose changing his style because next season is a big one for him (even though I feel we should have challenged this season). I can't see Jose risking another season being this far behind, personally we have to win the league next season.

 

[SapperBRed75]

Definitely another season before I can make a judgement. If we can consolidate 2nd, that is improvement. We can't have seriously believed we could mount a ECL challenge this season - but the manner in which we capitulated at home to Sevilla was admittedly disappointing. I have to believe that the manager and players will get to the bottom of what went wrong (something must have; securing a goalless draw away from home only to come back and play like it was Soccer Aid surely wasn't on the white board), and sort it for next year. I am a little concerned about the general direction of travel - I can't see what we're building towards. Mourinho has not galvanised a team - on the contrary, he seems to be marginalising good players and in a very public, ugly manner. I don't profess to know or understand what goes on behind the scenes, but we (as many have posted) seem to be a collection of individuals on the pitch who lack the belief and determination of a Burnley, Palace or Leicester when we take on a top four rival. Some might call it enigmatic - but it has the hallmarks of intolerance and horrendous man management, and could be very costly for us. I fully accept that City have been different class this season, and that has been inconvenient for Mourinho, but I'd be grateful if he kept a lid on it in press conferences - he's coming across like a spoiled child, not like a Man Utd manager. I don't expect him to be a good loser (SAF wasn't on many occasions), but let's keep the whining to a minimum eh? We've had £300M to spend in the last couple of seasons - that's 'heritage'.

 

[UnitedForever123]

Definitely another season before I can make a judgement. If we can consolidate 2nd, that is improvement. We can't have seriously believed we could mount a ECL challenge this season - but the manner in which we capitulated at home to Sevilla was admittedly disappointing. I have to believe that the manager and players will get to the bottom of what went wrong (something must have; securing a goalless draw away from home only to come back and play like it was Soccer Aid surely wasn't on the white board), and sort it for next year. I am a little concerned about the general direction of travel - I can't see what we're building towards. Mourinho has not galvanised a team - on the contrary, he seems to be marginalising good players and in a very public, ugly manner. I don't profess to know or understand what goes on behind the scenes, but we (as many have posted) seem to be a collection of individuals on the pitch who lack the belief and determination of a Burnley, Palace or Leicester when we take on a top four rival. Some might call it enigmatic - but it has the hallmarks of intolerance and horrendous man management, and could be very costly for us. I fully accept that City have been different class this season, and that has been inconvenient for Mourinho, but I'd be grateful if he kept a lid on it in press conferences - he's coming across like a spoiled child, not like a Man Utd manager. I don't expect him to be a good loser (SAF wasn't on many occasions), but let's keep the whining to a minimum eh? We've had £300M to spend in the last couple of seasons - that's 'heritage'.

The is problem is though the player he has invested in so much (Pogba), who I think he wanted to build his style around doesn't suit Pogba.

I personally think Jose has to change his style of play, why sign all these attacking players to play in his style.

 

[Sensei]

Since the Seville game there has been an explosion of threads about Mourinho. A lot of them have content that address concerns and were being made by posters well before the Seville game. Those concerns would still have been legitimate if we had gone through or not as one performance won't mask underlying ills. I have concerns about Mourinho too, but I had these far before the Seville game and the general hyper-bole since is exactly that. I'd give him far more time as I think we are nowhere near the position that Moyes and Van Gaal had got us and that while we are miles off where we could be, I can see progress away from that.

My point is that every team goes through transitional phases, this year we may have taken a step back from last year but maybe its what we need to do. The 'knee-jerkers' either didn't see SAF have low points before his great United teams or are conveniently forgetting that because they like their shiny new Seville sized stick to beat Mourinho with, because he has an ego and is pragmatic, is not SAF and will be forever 'anti-football' with him in charge.

As I said, I don't believe the club is broken like 'a lot' (not all) of people are seeming to suggest based on the state of some posters (not all) since one match and a couple of press conferences less than two weeks ago.

Truth is all this things were there before the Seville game and MUFC fans watch only results. 2nd half vs Liverpool was appalling but people only cared we won. This is Jose, and when he's not winning with his non-soccer, it's always very heated. Seville was only an eye opener not a one off

 

[Who gives a...]

Truth is all this things were there before the Seville game and MUFC fans watch only results. 2nd half vs Liverpool was appalling but people only cared we won. This is Jose, and when he's not winning with his non-soccer, it's always very heated. Seville was only an eye opener not a one off

It seems people can tolerate his no-soccer, anti-football when he wins but not when he loses, his football is then perceived as cowardly, pragmatic, boring, not the United way ect. Which is to be expected, but some of the things being used against him at the moment seems far more about getting an opportunity to have a go at him as manager than just about whats happened this season, or a couple of individual games.

I don't really see his football as anti anything. Are they like like SAF teams? Of course not, are they like Busby teams? Of course not. But we may have to wait another 20 years to find that type of manager again, history shows that the combination of success, style of football, longevity and passion for staying with one club is few and far between. In the meantime we have Mourinho, we have him to win us games and win trophies. I found his teams in their pomp quite captivating, maybe they weren't the prettiest, but they had a win at all cost mentality with a bit of devilment. I wouldn't mind us winning leagues and cups in the style he has before, but thats just my personal opinion and I cant see anyone obvious/available to come in and be able to manage the club the size of Manchester United in the way I imagine most of us would like.

He does need Jose players, he hasn't been great at identifying them so far, that is my biggest concern, but if he got a group of players around him that would go to war with him then I do believe we would be successful. I'd at least give him one more season and window and then judge him on what I expect of Mourinho, rather than what I expect based on our history. Quality wise he has already improved upon what Moyes, Van Gaal and dare I say SAF left us with. He may not be getting the best out of them yet, but if he left tomorrow I think we are in a stronger position than before he arrived.

 

[Ikon]

I get the feeling is that there are a lot of players at OT with an attitude that they 'have made it' and they have taken their foot off the gas, they are coasting along, getting a huge salary whilst still having the prestige of playing for the grandest club in England.

I could be wrong, it's just my impression, that the squad lacks drive and ambition and the winning mentality, when compared to years gone by.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

He is a has been.Living on past reputation.With the funds he has at his disposal he has done poorly.Look at Pep

Pep has spent oved £100m more since they both arrived in Manchester. Pep also inherited a better team. United are only behind in the league against the team that has spent a lot more money and had a better team to start with.

 

[Im red2]

Our style of play has been absolute shite. We should have attacked Seville away and at home in the champions league, they were leaking goals all over the place. But the manager was cowardly and the team reacted in the same way and we lost. Same thing after we lsot to City and Jose was giving out about their celebrations. Ibet that SAF would have told our players that City had every right to celebrate, and it was up to us(United) to make sure that it was a a one off. And that the next time they would be crying.