Carrick so far...

Instant Karma said:
OShea was the holding midfielder yesterday and Carrick had more freedom to move forward. He didn't because that's not his natural game. So stop making fecking excuses about SAF giving instructions asking him to hold back.

I was stating that Carrick + Hargreaves wouldn't work either because Carrick is limited as a player and our only hope is that he improves his tackling.

But continue to listen to the voices in your head about SAF's instructions. Atleast the rest of us can laugh. :lol:
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You're the only one laughing. Carrick is not a Scholes type player, he isn't a DM, but he's a defensive CM. We bought him so that he could hold the fort while Scholes pushes forward.

Mind you i'm sure you can't understand this. You did say that you prefer John O'Shea rather than Scholes in the harder games.

You haven't seen much of Carrick have you? Or United it seems.

Yesterday was a makeshift midfield, I wouldn't take anything about our style of play from it.

Stupid twat.
 
Carrick is quite an enigma actually. He's very good defensively, but he does his defending by reading the last pass and intercepting it, or at least moving in quickly enough to put the opponent under immediate pressure. He's not the kind that runs tirelessly at 100mph and slides in tackle after tackle.

Sure O'Shea playing the more dedicated defending role gave him the freedom to play further forward, but this is a skill he can also apply even if he's asked to hold his position in front of the back four. Before Saturday's game I doubted that he had enough defensively to hold his own, but he went toe to toe with Zokora and Davids and didn't come off second best until he started to tire a bit in the second half.

Now if only we can enrol Paul Scholes in a "Defending 101" crash course, just to tighten things up a bit more!
 
fatboy said:
Carrick is quite an enigma actually. He's very good defensively, but he does his defending by reading the last pass and intercepting it, or at least moving in quickly enough to put the opponent under immediate pressure. He's not the kind that runs tirelessly at 100mph and slides in tackle after tackle.

Sure O'Shea playing the more dedicated defending role gave him the freedom to play further forward, but this is a skill he can also apply even if he's asked to hold his position in front of the back four. Before Saturday's game I doubted that he had enough defensively to hold his own, but he went toe to toe with Zokora and Davids and didn't come off second best until he started to tire a bit in the second half.

Now if only we can enrol Paul Scholes in a "Defending 101" crash course, just to tighten things up a bit more!
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Sadly, you seem to be the only one here who has spotted that. He's arguably the best at doing it.

Oh, and can someone stop Instant Karma before he humiliates himself further.
 
I thought by Carrick's own standards his performance was below par. We saw glimpses of what he's capable of - he played a couple of very intelligent passes in the first half, that only someone like Scholes would be capable of. He did look rusty overall, and faded out of the game in the second half. I don't think he performed poorly, but he will improve vastly as he gets more games with us and gets used to his teammates.
 
M160RA said:
I thought by Carrick's own standards his performance was below par. We saw glimpses of what he's capable of - he played a couple of very intelligent passes in the first half, that only someone like Scholes would be capable of. He did look rusty overall, and faded out of the game in the second half. I don't think he performed poorly, but he will improve vastly as he gets more games with us and gets used to his teammates.
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His early injury at the start of the season couldn't have helped. Added to that the adrenaline rush in the first half, playing a home game against his former team would have taken even more out of him. I'm sure he's nowhere near his best yet, but it's good to see glimpses of what we paid around 14mil for.
 
I think Carrick will be of more use to United against the better PL sides and in Europe especially defensively. In Europe, good positioning and anticipation are looked upon more favourably by officials than tough tackling in a defensive sense. Also, the slower pace played in the CL will suit Carrick more where he can send his decisive passes through to the forwards.

I think he is going through an adjustment period currently where he is learning to play with the likes of Scholes, OShea and Fletcher. The more experience he gets, the better he'll likely play.
 
Scholesy_LEGEND said:
the djemba twins were ok after 2 games.
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Worse than that, DJ was being called by many the "new Roy Keane"! Veron was world class at the beginnning. As was Neil Webb.

Whereas Bruce and Pallister were both fecking awful.
 
I think he's done quite well actually, given he had no pre-season and it's a new club etc.

I know these excuses are often to be found made for players who dont go on to make it, but he has shown enough to suggest he will be class for us. Defensively he is showing he's a lot better than people credited for, whilst his passing has shown glimpses of being just what we need.
 
Suresh said:
Oh, and can someone stop Instant Karma before he humiliates himself further.
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Heard that before...

From those who felt that United would struggle to score goals after RVN was sold, they also picked him to win the golden boot at the World cup :lol:
From the clever fans who were sure that France wont get past the group stages of the World cup after watching the first couple of matches while Spain/England were favorites.
From the smart ones that laughed when I said France would beat Brazil and go all the way and when I picked Italy as the only team that could stop them.

But so far the events have strangely backed my judgement and it's spastics like you that eventually end up humiliated.
 
He's been class so far. I'd imagine he's only going to get better once he settles.
 
Instant Karma said:
Heard that before...

From those who felt that United would struggle to score goals after RVN was sold, they also picked him to win the golden boot at the World cup :lol:
From the clever fans who were sure that France wont get past the group stages of the World cup after watching the first couple of matches while Spain/England were favorites.
From the smart ones that laughed when I said France would beat Brazil and go all the way and when I picked Italy as the only team that could stop them.

But so far the events have strangely backed my judgement and it's spastics like you that eventually end up humiliated.
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How ironic.

This post just made you look like a childish spastic.
 
M160RA said:
I thought by Carrick's own standards his performance was below par. We saw glimpses of what he's capable of - he played a couple of very intelligent passes in the first half, that only someone like Scholes would be capable of. He did look rusty overall, and faded out of the game in the second half. I don't think he performed poorly, but he will improve vastly as he gets more games with us and gets used to his teammates.
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in both games he's been played out of position really. O'Shea's been the one sitting, while he's been told to move forward. i don't really think that's his strength.

i thought he's done well, and only needs a bit of fitness and settling in. hopefully SAF doesn't move him around too much and plays him to his strengths.

for those of you surprised by his defensive side, don't be. the Spurs-Arse game last season at the Library showed Carrick can tackle with the best of them.
 
Instant Karma said:
Heard that before...

From those who felt that United would struggle to score goals after RVN was sold, they also picked him to win the golden boot at the World cup :lol:
From the clever fans who were sure that France wont get past the group stages of the World cup after watching the first couple of matches while Spain/England were favorites.
From the smart ones that laughed when I said France would beat Brazil and go all the way and when I picked Italy as the only team that could stop them.

But so far the events have strangely backed my judgement and it's spastics like you that eventually end up humiliated.
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I will revisit this thread come end of the season. Be around now.
 
carrick makes some telling passes like the one late in the game and if rooney converts it, many of us will lavish praises on carrick and so on.

if you notice carefully, carrick has started to make decent tackling which is not one of his known strength but i believe he will come good after he/team is settled.

i don't know if we're expecting too much from carrick by doing the box-to-box runs together with his precision ball passing.

he is 'evolving' in the football sense considering his age so don't write him off yet. just rem. hargreaves.
 
bbest said:
if you notice carefully, carrick has started to make decent tackles which is not one of his known strength but i believe he will come good after he/team is settled.
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True...I have been more surprised with his tackling than his passing so far.
Hopefully, he comes good and doesn't turn into another Veron.
 
Fletcher had a better match against world class players while Carrick struggled against third rate opposition yet again. What excuses are you imaginative folks going to come up with for his poor display yesterday ?

That everyone was poor, he didn't have a proper pre-season and he is still setlling in ? :lol:
 
Some people just loves to criticize new signings at every opportunity:rolleyes:
 
The title is Carrick so far.And so far he's been average.No excuses.
 
Evra got the same sort of treatment in his first year. Infact by some of the standards here, i'd say Carrick is not being chastised as much relative to some of the others who've suffered the wrath of the caf muppets.
 
unitedgogi said:
Wishful thinking. For the first 30 minutes he was impressive. After that he slowly got worse, I couldn't wait for Fletchinho to be introduced.
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Why bother with names like Fletchinho? It's not remotely funny or witty. It's like Chelscum etc...
 
Carrick is playing it safe, keeping possession rather than beingg adventurous. I hope once he is settled in the United and also England team, we'll see his true capabilities.
 
hardyboy said:
Carrick is playing it safe, keeping possession rather than beingg adventurous. I hope once he is settled in the United and also England team, we'll see his true capabilities.
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I doubt he will ever be able to shine in the England team. He will suffer just like Scholes did whenever playing for them
 
ega04cmd said:
Why bother with names like Fletchinho? It's not remotely funny or witty. It's like Chelscum etc...
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Man, what took you so long to reply. Me calling Fletcher that is due to the other "fans" here constantly bashing him and were creaming themselves when we signed Carrick and wanted even worse players. As we can see so far, there is very little difference between them and so far Fletcher has in fact been much better than Carrick, both on the club level and has also done well for Scotland, compared to Carrick who clearly was not up for it when selected for England. Of course, Fletcher has been in very good form and playing as good as he can while Carrick hasn't reached his true level. Playing for Tottenham is so much easier than playing out wide in Manchester United.
 
Doing great, ajusting well.

No player goes straight into a team and fits right in, the current players aren't used to his vision or movement off the ball.

Some of you don't understand this, you need to watch football more.
 
Hes done alright. Ranging from extremely dissapointing, to pretty impressive to me shouting at him to awaken and realise theres a bloody game to be won. A bit of exaggeration there, but hes been decent. Defiantely needs to show more, definately needs more time to settle in.
 
Getting a midfielder was better than nothing... but Carrick has been very languid and largely invisible, far outshone by a revitalised Scholes. Long term he needs to be more imposing and inventive, drop the exasperating I'm soft as Pirlo/Riquelme impressions.

As for Evra, he's been passable though the obvious improvement has left over-excited fans gushing. Tbh I don't think he offers more like Silvestre/ O'Shea/ Richardson for the LB position.
 
Keilyn27 said:
Getting a midfielder was better than nothing... but Carrick has been very languid and largely invisible, far outshone by a revitalised Scholes.
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I think that could be part of the problem why Carrick hasn't had the confidence to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Scholes has generally been so dominant that our players generally pass it to him rather than Carrick when they are both in good positions. Especially when they seem to have almost swapped positions at times with Scholesy deeper and Carrick more forward, it's not really surprising that he's taking a while to bed in.

I don't think anybody can deny the quality is there. About twice a game he seems to see an opening and threads through a pass that absolutely rips the defence apart. Unfortunately I don't think we've converted any of them yet, mostly because our own players are caught by as much surprise as the defence. That understanding will come with time, and as Rooney gets back into form.
 
So far... Carrick looks like an average 8mil midfielder. But we paid 14mil for him and therefore not up to the mark.

All this talk about him getting settled.... shouldnt British players settle in faster? Need to impose himself more in midfield and start to tackel for the ball.
 
I think our defence is so great now, what with a solid keeper and Vidic & Rio, we can afford a player like Carrick, someone who likes to get on the ball and pass but doesnt throw his body around like the absolute bulldog he replaced.
 
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