Rape was legal until very recently. This kind of behaviour will also be punishable soon, and is punishable in parts of the world.
Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
- Thread starter Buchan
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I think that's pretty defeatist. We've come a long way, even in the past 50 years. But there are so many women who have stories like the ones Silva posted above. When this topic came up among my friends, every woman said they had a similar experience. We can't just say "boys will be boys" to that. We can't.
It has, repeatedly, before.
People used to feck in their spouses while their children shared the bed. I mean, fecks sake, standard sexual encounters is such a ridiculously stupid concept.
I don't think this sort of thing can be legislated with any degree of accuracy without adversely affecting the dynamics behind why people hook up. It would just create needless timidity and paranoia and generally erode the spontaneity of having casual sex.
I think it probably is unfortunately. Female friends have a thousand stories like yours. Just think most guys cant (or won't) help themselves.
Maybe its what your doing previous to going back to their place or something? Were you on a date before going back?
Its kind of a bizarre situation that you cant visit a guys place without expecting to screw him but I think in a lot of situations thats the case,
or at least its common enough that people should probably be wary of doing it
I dunno, he seems like a dickhead tbh
You did nothing wrong obviously
It would stop creeps like Aziz Ansari from sexually assaulting people. People will be able to have casual sex after getting consent.
I'm sure many guys have also had similar experiences. People just need to make sure they don't get into intimate situations with people they don't genuinely like or are prepared to have sex with.
It wouldn't stop real sexual assault. In fact, this sort of ultra sensitive months later sulking only demeans the cases of millions of women who have actually been raped. It also pushes people of both genders who are on the fence about all of this, to the more conservative side as they don't want to be part of something so non-sensical.
Last edited:
No, we met that night, through mutual friends, and chatted a bit. When the pub closed and people were going home he asked if I wanted to go somewhere else and after we couldn't think of anywhere open, he said his place was pretty close by. That's all that happened before.
That's fecking appalling.
No it doesn't.
That's fine. We're younger and more motivated than you anyway. And we'll do way better in the upcoming revolution.
Its common sense. If you don't like someone, then don't associate with them. If you don't want to have sex with someone then avoid at all costs getting into intimate situations with them.
Last edited:
No no no no no
Juding by the reaction to the Ansari story - it does. There isn't even a broad consensus among women in the US about which side to take in this story, which tells you all you need to know about how unconvincing it is.
You want to feck everyone you associate with?
I'm not discussing this further.
Thats quite sad really.
I guess it really doesn't matter what you were doing before regardless
Oh yes. If you voluntarily give someone a blowjob then you will lose the credibility to complain about it after the fact.
It tells me how conditioned to accept sexual assault people are.
Not at all. But then again I don't get into intimate settings with everyone I associate with either. You have to think ahead and use common sense about who you are alone getting drunk with, where you are, and what may happen - then proactively ask yourself whether its appropriate to proceed.
I find your story borderline on sexual assault. But since he did not force himself on you, it will be hard to charge him.
If sexual assault were legit in this case, it would be a slam dunk and everyone would be in agreement. The fact that so few are and many people, including women, are questioning the efficacy of the story, suggests it isn't sexual assault but rather a shitty run of the mill bad date.
Last edited:
There is certainly truth in that. If I´m honest, the vast majority of the women I have or had close relations with never lacked self esteem. I have two older sisters and a mother who can more than take care of themselves. I was raised with the clear idea that everyone deserves a certain level of respect and that there should always be equality between the genders. It should be what you do by what you are judged by, not as what you were born. Naturally I was also drawn to women who would be my equal and speak up for themselves if it was necessary. I´m certainly a more open communicator than both of these peoples in this story.
For me a lot of Grace´s behaviour in this story does not make sense to me or showcases her inner thoughts. Maybe I give Ansari too much credit here for not getting it. Probably does not help that my personal experiences with sexual assault and abuse are so much on the extreme side that my scope in general moved too far in that direction thus what I view as sexual assault can differ from what others perceive it as. Food for thought I guess.
I acutally think it is a very honest and healthy thing to do.
Everyone would be in agreement? The lawyer of the president of the united states has argued that a man cannot rape his wife. If not everyone can agree on that, what the feck makes you think they'll agree on this? And why should I trust the consensus of the generation that led that shitshow of a lawyer and his president to the white house?
That is precisely the problem, and young women are fecking furious about it.
Than bad dates ? Definitely. Get to know the person a bit better and stick to non-intimate surroundings like group settings in restaurants etc.
Yeah, both answers make sense to me tbh.
We should ask for better and expect the worst i guess
For the record, a bad date is when the other person bores you, or you actively hate each other for some silly irrational reason. It doesn't lead to you crying on the way home because some dipshit sexually assaulted you.
It can range from any number of things, including having sex with your date when you went into the date wanting to network with them for career purposes.
I don't think either of you did much wrong tbh. He tried to see how far he could take it, you pushed him off. End of the story really. Sexual assault wouldn't even cross my mind if i were in that situation.
I'm amazed people are still claiming that because she put his dick in her mouth for a few seconds, she can't claim sexual assault. As long as she said no to anything further, anything sexual he does to her after that is sexual assault. That's not even debatable.
Well it clearly is debatable since we are all debating it.
We could debate whether deliberately shooting some random guy in the street is murder or not. It won't actually make it debatable, though, will it?
He shouldn't have been walking there, everyone knows that people just want to shoot bullets towards that part of the street.
That Lara tweet
can't say I don't agree. But way to stick one up to those filthy men standing up for feminism.Luckily I like to think I'm neutral in this and not a feminist, so I guess I'm safe, for now.
Why, I can actually think of one in this thread right now that is applicable to description.
He should have clearly stated that he was not interested in being shot before he even got down the block.
To be fair, it is actually debatable because we have to see if that guy is mentally ill, threatened to do it, etc.
Also didn't we just recently have a case where an officer randomly shot an Aussie woman on the street? Don't think he got charged with murder?
But that is off topic.
Carry on.
Last edited:
It certainly would be debatable if the central question was what the actual circumstances of the shooting was - whether it was actually self-defense, homicide, accidental, manslaughter etc. Debate generally follows controversy.