James Baldwin, more than 50 years ago - let that sink in, nothing has changed
Charlottesville
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Also what this guy said.
Wow. You really are a precious bunch. The irony is (of course) American citizens being injured and killed in the type of incident that the the wankers behind this protest think they are preventing from crossing the pond from Europe. Extremists deliberately mowing down pedestrians in cars.
The Finsbury Park incident was, of course, similarly ironic.
The violence between these two groups has been threatening to spiral out of control for a while now.
I hope that the police start to take more seriously the segregation of protest groups going forward and the full weight of the law comes down on anyone caught instigating or taking part in violence.
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Thanks for the observation. I would be more concerned with the content of the post though
I think there may be a linguistic element at play here. If you hear that "irony" in the "dramatic irony" sense then it reads differently. I don't know if that's still the first definition in some dictionaries.
If you read it in the way most Brits (and Americans?) use it and interpret it, it's almost always used in everyday speech in the sense of a thing being paradoxical - as you used it here.
Just guessing. Otherwise I don't understand what happened there.
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I guess irony is a term that is often misinterpreted and poorly understood. Ironically.
I blame Alanis Morrisette.
She absolutely nailed irony and everyone missed it.
Good plan.
ironically.
Wow, these neanderthals in this third world country are at it again...
No surprise at all to see the coordinated attack on Pogue from certain posters with serious comprehension issues.
Sad to see Charlottesville being front & center here. A really nice part of the world, except for the last 2 days ;(
It has been argued by most of us on here those terrorists causing death and destruction are not representative of Islam/Muslims. What I understood from @Pogue Mahone post was those engaged last night in violence and the car rammer is of similar mind set.
To be fair you were the one putting in an Islamic word "Jihadist" in English into a thread or specific incident about white supremacists terrorism. Most people would see that as an obvious way to try and conflate 2 topics...
I think the issue here is that people have taken exception because of your numerous threads and posts which basically try and conflate crimes like Rape and heinous violence other with certain cultures as if they are unique and exclusive to them while completely ignoring the contradictions in your baseless assumptions.
It's obvious to any genuine person that you try and provoke and goad people with you inflammatory remarks and then cry foul when people call you out on it. This is another way to push your crusade on "Political correctness gone mad I tell you"!!" spiel.
In any case, I won't help you derail the thread any further so this will be the last time I respond to you on this. I would be more concerned about the people who were murdered by ignorance, hate and xenophobia than having to go back on forth with your nonsense but then again I am part of a "precious bunch".
Nobody with two brain cells to rub together would see it that way, unless of course they had some kind of agenda.
Jihad has now become part of English vocabulary. It's meaning greatly misunderstood by the vast majority in the West. But that's for a different time and thread.
Everything you said, is absolutely correct - but this part is the most important part for me.
Denial or silence is equal to compliance when it comes to nazi's & white supremacy, and for too long the focus has been on 'this isn't me, i'm not a racist'.
Only if they had poor comprehension skills.
yes, I am the one with the agenda...
He has form on this type of post and continually uses this type of approach, therefore, its natural to see it in that light. Also, it takes a bit of intelligence to see the attempt of disassociation from the terrorist act in and of itself and associate it with another context of "Jihad" by calling it a "Jihadist tactic" rather than for what it is an act of terror or violence.
anyway please leave me alone so I can formulate my secret agenda with the rest of the PC brigade Muwhahah
The only part of this post that isn't complete nonsense is the first line. That bit is accurate.
How long before the official President Trump twitter account posts a message condemning the white supremacists, with a statement clearly not typed out by himself?
Which clearly you do since I pointed out that he has been previously criticized for doing this before. This is the context I meant it in because of thats what I wrote? I have helped you out by highlighting the very next line that describes what the context of that was...
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To be fair you were the one putting in an Islamic word "Jihadist" in English into a thread or specific incident about white supremacists terrorism. Most people would see that as an obvious way to try and conflate 2 topics...
I think the issue here is that people have taken exception because of your numerous threads and posts which basically try and conflate crimes like Rape and heinous violence other with certain cultures as if they are unique and exclusive to them while completely ignoring the contradictions in your baseless assumptions.
It's obvious to any genuine person that you try and provoke and goad people with you inflammatory remarks and then cry foul when people call you out on it. This is another way to push your crusade on "Political correctness gone mad I tell you"!!" spiel.
In any case, I won't help you derail the thread any further so this will be the last time I respond to you on this. I would be more concerned about the people who were murdered by ignorance, hate and xenophobia than having to go back on forth with your nonsense but then again I am part of a "precious bunch".
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What was that about comprehension again?
ok pal. Good one.
*brings up irrelevant previous incidents and twists things to look like something they're not*
"I don't have an agenda!"
Sigh.
"I don't have an agenda!"
Sigh.
Interesting. I probably am misunderstanding it. I'm just trying to find a way to describe people who kill due to their own distorted interpretation of the islamic faith without specifically mentioning Islam in that context (which is, I know, unfair and annoying to people of that faith)
Nazi Mexican wave?
Is it less racist if they can't do it properly?
I don't think it's irrelevant. That's why I mentioned it. You're entitled to disagree but that's your choice. Quite how you know otherwise remains a mystery but hey that's life.
So you've ignored the very obvious and straightforward point he was making within the context of the subject at hand and instead decided to attack him based on things he had said before in totally different threads and totally different contexts? Yeah, clearly no agenda on your part.
I think I'll stop on this subject now as you guys have derailed the thread enough with your nonsense.
Everyone will be hearing a lot about Fields in the coming weeks but few will likely talk about the woman killed, 32 y.o. Heather Heyer whose FB page apparently had the following last post "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
I am pretty sure these Nazis are not Muslims. Have we got a fundamental misunderstanding going on?
did you mean to say that you are trying to find a word that fits into this scenario? Terrorism is probably the best word.
No, you have ignored my post where I specifically mentioned the meaning and context. You have shot yourself in the foot. Move on.
So many points missed in so few posts.
Everyone will be hearing a lot about Fields in the coming weeks but few will likely talk about the woman killed, 32 y.o. Heather Heyer whose FB page apparently had the following last post "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
Jesus! That last line almost hurts to read.
RIP. Kind soul.
Everyone will be hearing a lot about Fields in the coming weeks but few will likely talk about the woman killed, 32 y.o. Heather Heyer whose FB page apparently had the following last post "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
So, so sad. RIP.
This is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. AntiFa and neo Nazis are both violent feckers and yet apparently police were given a stand down order?
Oh dear God, she looks like an old friend of mine. RIP. She died doing what she believed. Her poor family though
Never.
The millennial matt account has been withheld in Germany and France by Twitter. What's going on?