Who are the "Conte out" fans? Are there any on here? I've genuinely never met a Chelsea fan who wants that.
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Who are the "Conte out" fans? Are there any on here? I've genuinely never met a Chelsea fan who wants that.
Conte might become the first manager under Abramovich to leave on his own accord rather than getting sacked.
Hardly, the point i was making that Conte didn't have to say and act some of the things he did in public, after all, by doing that he is as good as telling half the squad they ain't good enough, maybe they ain't but saying that in public is hardly going to boost confidence. There's ways to express discontent and in my opinion he went about it all wrong, doesn't mean i want him out, all thing's considered he is the happiest i have been with a manager since Jose the first time.
Agreed.
Wait what!? Ancelotti coming back to Chelsea is a certain possibility!? I would be surprised to see that. So far in his career Carletto never went back to a previous managed team..Even AC Milan asked him to come back in 2015 and he refused. That being said in the summer there will be interesting options to work again in England for him, i believe. Not only the Chelsea job, but also Arsenal's job or even the Manchester United job..
What were Milan offering in 2015, a big transfer budget and top level wages for him? I doubt it tbh.
Pretty sure Mourinho resigned in his first stint here
Chelsea have an aging group of players like Willian, Pedro, Fabregas, Cahill and Luiz who might be better seeking one last pay day with a new club while we look to bring through the loan academy group like Reuben Loftus Cheek and if Ha recruit where needed. If Hazard does go recruit a couple of players like Leon Bailey or Nabil Fekir. Chelsea have options.
Ancelotti’s carefree, and lax attitude will not work for this new age of footballers. The guy only works well at a team that basically self manages themselves and can take responsibility. I don’t think our club is right for him.
Looks like courtious is close to signing which would be huge. Hazard is much less of a problem for now just sheerly due to the fee he would command if he went, I still hold out hope he will sign.
Its weird because we haven't been too great this year but were 1 point behind United in the semi finals of league cup and still in both other cups too. I'm hoping we can invest in January and bulk the squad out a bit and we need to keep hazard and Morata fit.
What city is doing is ridiculous and they have already ended the league, we need to look to build in January and the summer, and give a good run at the cups this year. Don't personally see United as a better team than us and I think we will end up clutching second.
If we get the next 2 windows right and help conte, he will produce the results. I believe Lampard and Terrys comments that Conte is here to stay at least for now and isn't leaving anytime soon. Our main problem is we need Morata - and Hazard - Fabregas playing to break down teams that will park the bus against us.
Its weird because we haven't been too great this year but were 1 point behind United in the semi finals of league cup and still in both other cups too. I'm hoping we can invest in January and bulk the squad out a bit and we need to keep hazard and Morata fit.
What city is doing is ridiculous and they have already ended the league, we need to look to build in January and the summer, and give a good run at the cups this year. Don't personally see United as a better team than us and I think we will end up clutching second.
If we get the next 2 windows right and help conte, he will produce the results. I believe Lampard and Terrys comments that Conte is here to stay at least for now and isn't leaving anytime soon. Our main problem is we need Morata - and Hazard - Fabregas playing to break down teams that will park the bus against us.
TalkChelsea and twitter. It's horrible. I understand the criticisms, but they take it to such an extreme. Conte was so ruthless last season in terms of who played, his tactics were spot on 9/10 times. This season, he's not rotating like he should be, not dropping players who should be dropped such as:
Sterling for Moses/Zappacosta
Drinkwater for Bakayoko
Kenedy/Willian/Pedro for Alonso (because I'm sure he's going to pass out on the pitch if he has to play another 90 minutes).
With Musonda injured, Morata and Hazard are stuck with 2 other forwards who should not be starters. The problem is that Conte feels the same way and is now comfortable playing with 3 in midfield. This means we lineup, at home vs Brighton with 7 defenders. That's not ok. However, he still has his finger on the pulse of the squad - every single match they come out in the second half and have a fire lit underneath their asses. He also has Hazard in the form of his life.
These next 2 windows are a real opportunity to improve the squad. There's no pressure to win the league, we have a DIRE draw in the CL, and Conte is scared of Wenger so my hopes of a LC victory are small. We can pick up some serious ground and push for the title in 18/19 - if Conte is still the manager. If it's Ancelotti, I feel like we're going to turn into LVG's United and the board will further damage the squad and render us Arsenal/Liverpool/Spurs.
Is TalkChelsea a poster on here? Can't say I recognise the name. As for Twitter, you could post a picture of a Labrador puppy cuddling a kitten and someone will reply calling them both cnuts.
Not one single Chelsea fan wants Conte out. Some nameless, faceless egg on Twitter most certainly does not count and are not worth a second of anyone's time. Get to Stamford Bridge and conduct a survey of home fans and 0% would want Conte sacked.
Whats the deal with Conte then? Seems certain to leave.
Is he in the right or wrong?
Is he in the right or wrong?
I'm sorry, TalkChelsea is a forum.
I just googled it. I used to post a lot on the old CSR (Chelsea Supporters Registry from 1997!) which kinda turned into Shedend. Never heard of TalkChelsea though which is surprising given it seems to have been going for 10 years!
Wow - at one point it was more active than Shed End but it died after Mourinho's sacking II.
He's most certainly in the right. It will be a sad day when he leaves. I think the board thought they were hiring someone who felt they were lucky to have the job and they'd be able to fully control the squad without a fight. Thankfully, that's not the case.
He walked away from Juve (a club he was loved at, and held in high regard by), he will certainly leave us if we don’t give him what he wants. According to @Bepi, he fell out with the board at Juve due to disagreements in the market and direction of their club so it might just be the same thing here.
I think this is what I'm getting at.
Is Conte just very awkward and difficult to please or are Chelsea meddling too much in the background?
Would you be happy with what the board did this summer with CL looming? Our squad has glaring holes in it! You don't agree?
The only member of Talk Chelsea who actually wants him out is Styles, and while he's being ridiculous on that notion on the whole he's an excellent poster. As for twitter/facebook, i tend to ignore people on there, 90% make Garth Crooks look like he knows his stuff.
What are the holes? I don't think they're as obvious to opposition fans like us as we don't watch you guys every week.
Courtois has registered 10 clean sheets in the Premier League this season, joint-highest alongside David de Gea and Man City's Ederson, while Tottenham's Hugo Lloris has seven.
Courtois' save percentage (73.1 per cent) is higher than both Ederson (69.2) and Lloris (67.2), while Courtois has not made an error leading to a goal in the Premier League in the past two seasons, compared with De Gea (one), Ederson (one) and Lloris (five).
And though Ederson's pass completion (87.4 per cent) towers above other Premier League goalkeepers, Courtois' rate (71.3) far outweighs former Real target De Gea's (55.3).
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Just thought i'd post this because even someChelsea fans think Courtois isn't that great and can easily be replaced.
Courtois' save percentage (73.1 per cent) is higher than both Ederson (69.2) and Lloris (67.2), while Courtois has not made an error leading to a goal in the Premier League in the past two seasons, compared with De Gea (one), Ederson (one) and Lloris (five).
And though Ederson's pass completion (87.4 per cent) towers above other Premier League goalkeepers, Courtois' rate (71.3) far outweighs former Real target De Gea's (55.3).
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Just thought i'd post this because even someChelsea fans think Courtois isn't that great and can easily be replaced.
I don't think that stat is correct. Courtois made mistake against City last season in 2-1 win.
True, but maybe they are looking at direct error, as in as poor as it was from Tibo if Zouma and Luiz did their job properly it wouldn't have led to a goal.
It was clear error. Kicked directly to City player and his save was directed towards city player. Not sure what is considered as an error by those stats but for anyone that's an obvious errors that led to the goal.
Both wingbacks, backup striker, need a more mobile attack minded MF (that might be Drinkwater but he doesn’t get minutes), and Willian, Pedro, Cahill need to be replaced.
I see. That's going to be quite costly.
Agree with you here, Conte not at fault. Not perfect but the players fight for him and he is working with a thing squad.
Still believe he will stay at least this season and also next season, its important to get the next two windows right for him though so that we can try to compete with city next year and also to try finish second and maybe a cup this year.
I do think he needs to change something different at the moment so that our set up can be slightly more attacking, against the park the bus type we struggle to breakdown.
If we keep a back 3, I feel Zappacosta might be sold as we need Moses for HG status. So selling Zappacosta, Bathsuayi, and David Luiz might fetch the club £70m. Considering Roman’s spent basically nothing since Conte’s been here, maybe he’ll back the manager.
Why do you hope he leaves?
Looks like he’s rejected a contract extension probably due to unmet demands or promises
But why do you hope he leaves?
I hope Matt Law is true that we are confident of his extension deal.
He, I think, wants to see the club's ambition just like Veratti did at PGS last summer. In May he said he felt no differences to win the league the second time and his ambition is to win the Champions League. Winning it is also the only way pushing him near Messi and Neymar for the world best player vote.
Unfortunately for us, unlike PSG who are funded by a country with unlimited funds we aren't. We can't (or perhaps Roman and the club simply won't) go apeshit in the market any longer.
I’m frustrated by the lack of ambition from this club. We’ve had a world class player in Hazard for almost 5 seasons but just have two PL titles to show for it. Not to mention Hazard has hardly had an impact in the CL which may in his mind affect his legacy.
We got a weird deal as we signed his brother last summer. This may help us
I am quite positive. If Hazard and Courtois stay, we have 6 very solid (world class or not far away) players for next 5 years: Courtois, Dave, AC, Kante, Hazard and Morata. If we can add 3 more (Alex Sandro + ? + ?), we have a good chance to win big trophies during that time.
We just save 70M from Van Dijk deal (thanks to having Christensen) and pocket 50M+ from Costa transfer. That's a bonus to be positive
Its quite ironic the best shot he had with chelsea was when they reached semis in 2014 and in the second leg he didn't do his defensive duty properly and was voted as one of the worst players of that game by many pundits. Having said that it is quite strange that since Hazard joined they have been pretty average in CL.
Well some blame has to be on the manager for being so defensive and shitting his pants against a decent but not to be feared at all Atletico side.
Also Ramires and Luiz in midfield was just a disaster. It’s players like these that have really held back the club.
Well some blame has to be on the manager for being so defensive and shitting his pants against a decent but not to be feared at all Atletico side.
Also Ramires and Luiz in midfield was just a disaster. It’s players like these that have really held back the club.
Yes Jose's tactics that game was quite strange, maybe he got influenced by the result he got against liverpool just 2 or 3 days ago where he famously invented parking the bus and stealing victory (As a united fan I loved that). But I remember that game and you guys started pretty decently, Torres scored and Ivanovic missed a great chance. I think you guys could have scored 2 or 3 before the half time. You lot were cruising but then Hazard ,who was having an off game, for some reason forgot his defensive duty and it was 1-1 and all went down after that for you guys and Jose could not change his tactics.
Ps. Have to admit that was a bang average line up. I feel jose did do a pretty solid job in bringing in quality players at the start of his second season and almost revamping this line up.
We got a weird deal as we signed his brother last summer. This may help us
I am quite positive. If Hazard and Courtois stay, we have 6 very solid (world class or not far away) players for next 5 years: Courtois, Dave, AC, Kante, Hazard and Morata. If we can add 3 more (Alex Sandro + ? + ?), we have a good chance to win big trophies during that time.
We just save 70M from Van Dijk deal (thanks to having Christensen) and pocket 50M+ from Costa transfer. That's a bonus to be positive
yay some positivity!I agree with the "if we can add 3 more" comment. However in 3½ years, our club have a net spend of €23m according to transfermarkt. It seems like we're going to have to offload Pedro/Willian/Hazard/Batshuayi in order to get those 3 players.
True but he trusted Oscar far too much and Cesc’s legs were gone by January. We didn’t have much in rotation. 2015 summer and 2017 summer seemed like key points where proper recruitment wasn’t given much attention — given the title wins those seasons, the board probably keeps forgetting the concept that you invest while you’re at the top or rivals will catch up/overtake you.