We scored 23 goals from 13 CL matches last year. Hardly a poor return.
Chelsea 2021/22 - World and European Champions
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We scored 23 goals from 13 CL matches last year. Hardly a poor return.
And you spent how much to improve that team and have arguably regressed?
We won't be challenging for titles with the likes of Lukaku up front. Club has a very busy summer ahead.
Underwhelming as in outplayed every team we played in the knockouts? Huge fluke that.
Yeah I'm increasingly pessimistic. We'll have to get creative, hence going after something in a swap with Inter potentially? Or if we're absurdly lucky maybe the likes of Atleti will nibble since Suarez's contract expires this summer.
Winning against a team does not necessarily mean you have outplayed them.
Clearly we've wasted money on Lukaku - no one is arguing that. But how that diminishes what we accomplished last year is not clear?
But we did outplay every team. We won every game whilst being the best team. Xg nerds will confirm.
Yeah it's a sticky situation. I called him a bottleneck a few pages back and that's honestly how I feel about him.
You’d have to accept a much lower transfer fee then find a club who will pay him mega money. Lukaku is an awkward bastard and won’t help the situation.
It’s really tough. I think you’re stuck with him for the time being.
I just don't think you should read too much into you winning the CL, like RDM it can happen if you get the right draw and luck along the way.
Objectively you weren't the best team in the competition IMO but won anyway. I just think you overperformed, which happens now and then.
https://fbref.com/en/squads/cff3d9bb/2020-2021/s10096/Chelsea-Stats-Champions-League
We outplayed every single team we played during that run mate. You are grasping at straws.
Would Tuchel try and force him out? Make him so unhappy he’d take anything to go?
I know. Don't tell that to the xG crowd though because they don't want to hear about the importance of top players, it's just about magic managers.
United fans could have told you that
Why are people having a go at them for the CL?
They did really well under the circumstances
They did really well under the circumstances
See that's not even something I disagree with! I just think calling us the least impressive team to win it is a stretch. City certainly were better during the competition and had a tougher run; I just don't think that is a reason to disparage what we did.
Having a higher xG means you have outplayed a team does it?
Yeah I don't disagree with anything you've posted mate. We're pretty firmly tied to him for the near future.
A CL win without even being able to win your own league is not that impressive anyway. Up there with Porto as the "best team in Europe".
Yes? At the bare minimum it shows that we didn't fluke any results.
That makes no sense. Maybe if you mentioned another team who won it without winning their league you'd have a point, albeit a stupid one.A CL win without even being able to win your own league is not that impressive anyway. Up there with Porto as the "best team in Europe".
I honestly doubt Tuchel would do that unless he genuinely falls out with him. I don't think he should either. It wouldn't be a respectable way to go handle things.
It's obvious we aren't playing as well as we were last season. That fact doesn't really have any bearing on our Champions League win which surprisingly was also last season.
No, I disagree with that personally. I don't think you fluked the win but I also don't really think you were the best team on merit. You just overperformed and the better teams underperformed.
Thankfully though we did manage to cement that by winning the UEFA Super Cup.
Beating Villarreal on penalties isn't for everyone.
One of the big leagues I meant, obviously. Look, it doesn't matter. Sure you can win it like Man Utd and do a treble or a double, or like Real or like Barca or like Bayern. But even if it is a fluke and you are clearly not the best in the country let alone Europe, it's still something to enjoy. Not the same but good none the less. I am a bit frustrated that United only wins it when they are the best; I'd love to have a few more, even if not deserved, like Chelsea do. You should not feel like it means less; it's still a trophy.
But it wasn't a fluke. We were the best team in every game we played. It's not that hard to understand. Our CL win in 2012 was a complete fluke and no sane Chelsea fan would argue it wasn't. The only game which was fairly even was our final with City, who were regarded as the best in Europe. And we beat them because we created chances and they didn't, just like in our other 2 wins against them in the previous month.
That's fair enough - I wouldn't disagree that the draw favoured us, but I just have a hard time understanding how that equates to being one of the most unimpressive sides to win it. For me, that's much more akin to our 2012 side which was played off the park by the likes of Napoli, Valencia, Barcelona, and Bayern at various points.
I just look at it from the POV of if I was to look at the CL winners in the last 10 years and I had to rank the best to worst I think you'd be near the bottom of that list.
The last bit makes zero sense by the way
Ah gotcha. That makes a bit more sense - I think I'm more focused on how the winner performed relative to the competition that year, but your approach is equally valid.
That said, 4 goals conceded!!! That's pretty damn good!
Conceding very few goals is impressive in its own right but to me but it's just not something I particularly value as a Manchester United fan. I just don't find your particular brand of football entertaining, this I said I just don't find it impressive.
That's not me saying it's easy and everyone can do it, it's just personal preference.
I know; it's the nature of a cup competition. I'm glad you admit about the first one. The second one is only considered a fluke by some, because of what the CL winner is supposed to represent: the best in Europe. That was clearly not Chelsea. It's the format of the cup that at times the best team in Europe wins is, like United did, and Real, Barca etc, and at other times it's some other team. Does that lessen the feeling of wining it or the perception of the neutral fan? Sure. Does it get less talked about or even virtually forgotten? Maybe. It's the same trophy though and I would not object if United won it this year.
I'm not interested in having a discussion about who the best team in Europe are or the feeling you get in being the best team whilst winning it. You made a point about it being flukey and it's clearly bollocks.
Depends how you would define a 'fluke' really.
If it's just something unlikely then yeah, I think it's pretty reasonable to suggest it was a fluke as you weren't the best team in the competition, making you winning it unlikely by definition.
Is Middlesbrough better then Man Utd just because they've won a game? Of course not. Credit to them but everyone knows the better team lost. Chelsea was like Middlesbrough.
Chelsea definitely weren’t flukey when they won the Champions League last season. They deserved to get to the final and were fantastic against City when they got there. You can tell it wasn’t a one off result because they got the better of City a few times last season didn’t they?
Chelsea have been dead jammy this year with late winners and set-pieces
It's not even a wum which is the funny part.come on
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