So a lot of people say. Whether a given manager is an inspired choice can only be determined after the fact. The proof of the pudding and all that.
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So a lot of people say. Whether a given manager is an inspired choice can only be determined after the fact. The proof of the pudding and all that.
I know it won't happen but I don't think I'll ever stop smiling if they got relegated.
Wouldn't it just be the tits.
Wouldn't it just be the tits.
Despite everything we've currently got the third best defense in the league (admittedly that may not be the case in the end with Lampard tax and our fixtures to come). I'd I'd that's more than a solid base to build on.
That being said I don't think we will recover anything close to as well so quickly as we did in 2016 but we certainly won't be mid table again.
At this point it is not at all possible this year because of the teams in the relegation fight still have games against each other. If it is a mess next year?
Chelsea are not going to get relegated - this season or the next. Simply too much quality. And a major part of their issue right now is lacking something and someone to play for. They will be solidly top six next year.
Saw somewhere they could finish 19th. Everything has to fall that way.
Next year's your year.
Top 5.
The new CL format kicks in in 24/25, which means it will take the coefficient of next season. Unless English teams collectively implode, the PL will be 1 of the 2 leagues with highest coefficient, getting that extra slot.
We better be able to move some players. We have Nkunku, Gusto, Colwill, and Santos coming this summer.
another loss for lamps today? i reckon it is.
he seems like a reasonable nice guy and he's smart. Think he's just over his head with managing Chelsea. I bet if he plowed his way through the lower table more he'd come good.
he seems like a reasonable nice guy and he's smart. Think he's just over his head with managing Chelsea. I bet if he plowed his way through the lower table more he'd come good.
Common misconception.
Ten Hag has definitely done wonders. Like I think he's the reason why we are likely to be playing UCL football next season. I just think that the squad's ability has been overinflated by the number of teams that have been off it this season (Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs). The balance of the team looks off. I mean our midfield is currently Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno all of whom don't hold onto the ball well enough and want to play forward all the time. Most of our back 4 including the GK are still very uncomfortable on the ball under pressure. Also, upfront we have no focal point, ultimately relying on Rashford to use his speed on the break. Antony and Sancho don't have enough runners around them either, which hurts their game massively. I think we're miles away from seeing Ten Hag implement his ideas until many of these issues are fixed. With the right signings we should improve. I just think that it needs to be a lot of incomings and outgoings. I think there's 4 positions in the starting XI that need immediate signings (GK, RB, CM, ST) but on top of that I also think that there are other positions that need upgrading in the long-run (Varane at CB for example). When I look to City and Liverpool before Pep and Klopp came in, the level of squad turnover was quite astonishing but necessary for both to implement their ideas. I think United need something similar.
Is there any part of the fanbase unsure about him? After those strange reports about him downing tools and purposely playing terribly in a few games?
Does anyone think he is a bad egg? There certainly seems to be individuals that need removing from the dressing room, although I don’t really know what to believe about Mount.
I would like to know why did they pay so much for so many mediocre players. How can you spend so much money and don't buy a single top player?
Today is finally the day that Lampard gets a point. Shades of United Moyes celebrating the Fulham tie.
Regarding UCL qualification if I'm not mistaken doesn't the two highest ranking non qualifiers get an automatic place from 24/25 onwards?
Not that I agree with it but you would imagine based on our recent years European performances that gets us back in regardless of where we finish next season.
Not that I agree with it but you would imagine based on our recent years European performances that gets us back in regardless of where we finish next season.
Would expect a number of said players to go on to be successful, possibly some even at Chelsea, but at the moment I think it's the environment rather than the talent pool that is the main issue.
The two highest ranked teams in Europe that don't finish in a qualification spot will be gifted qualification?
Mount is a good egg and is a terrific player. Under Tuchel, you essentially had two attacking mids behind Werner and Mount being one of them could drop into midfield to support the build up, so he played a very important tactical role in the team. However, I think now that you've signed Mudryk and Madueke to play out wide, Nkunku is joining and the fact you still have terrific wing backs in Chilwell and James, I can't see how Mount would fit in your best formation which is a 3-4-3 in my opinion.
I think, assuming you didn't make any new signings, this would be your most balanced XI:
—————————Kepa———————————
————Fofana—Silva—Badiashile————
———James—Kante—Enzo—Chilwell———
——Madueke—————————Mudryk———
——————————Nkunku—————————
I can't see Mount complementing the front 3 and I couldn't see him working well in midfield with Enzo. That's why it probably makes sense to cash in on him now. But you never know, Poch may see him as indispensable, so we need to wait and see.
I think so but I'm happy to be corrected.
I think it was part of the UCL reform Uefa sneaked through while the football population were too busy being outraged over the ESL proposals.
Yeah and mathematically speaking Man United or Newcastle could still win the league if they win their remaining games and at the same time both City and Arsenal start losing all of theirs but is there anyone who actually think that might happen?
The probability for someone other than City/Arsenal winning the league this season should be around the same as Chelsea being relegated, which would require us to lose all of our remaining games (possible) and also coincide with multiple relegation-threatened sides going on winning runs all of a sudden (theoretical at best).
Everton 41 points (4W)
Leicester 40 points (3W 1D or better)
West Ham 40 points (2W 3L or better)
Leeds 40 points (3W 1D or better)
Forest 40 points (3W 1D or better)
Wolves 40 points (1W 3L or better)
Basically a minimum five of those runs need to happen and we have to lose all remaining games to be in any real trouble. I don't see Everton, Leicester, Leeds and Forest all turning their form into title winner quality for the remaining games, especially as some of them have really tough fixtures coming up. Maybe one could surprise us and somehow fly their way into safety but at least three of them doing it is just not going to happen.
Mount has always been a player who for some reason has divided the fanbase. Some rate him very highly while others don't rate him at all. The latter group seem to have some weird agenda against him going back to when he was performing really well and was the club's POTY two seasons running.
Personally I think Mount is a really good player but it has to be said his form this season has been utterly terrible. Maybe it's been partly because he's been overplayed to the ground in the last couple of seasons, maybe it's the uncertainty with the contract situation, maybe it's just the team's form and lack of structure in general or more likely a combination of them all. Either way he's not been playing well.
I do hope the contract situation can be sorted out and he stays on. Maybe a solid compromise for all parties could be a 2-3 year contract to get a better idea where he fits in under the next manager and how influential his role in the squad will be before either party commits to a longer deal?
I had a quick google and I'm getting the impression that this was an idea in an earlier draft that subsequently got removed and replaced with this:
I also absolutely could be wrong...
I'm not saying they won't turn out to be decent players, but even before the results this season I was surprised to see the names they were paying big money on. Not a single world class player despite spending over half a billion. Even Barca spending less than a quarter of what Chelsea spend got Lewandowsky.
FiveThirtyEight have Chelsea at a <1% chance of going down, which would likely be with a very high degree of certainty due to the small number of points left available. So I think it's safe to say Chelsea can pretty much play with no pressure till the end of the season. Wouldn't be a bad time to get Poch in to have a early gauge of the squad before the summer break.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/premier-league/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/premier-league/
Enzo is clearly a world class player.
Enzo is a good player but so far He's had 1 great season. You can't really say someone is world class for 1 season.
Madness
Best young player at Qatar for a World Cup winning team. He was fantastic in all the games he featured, especially the final. He also was one of Benfica's best player in the UCL group stage this season and they were able to top a group containing PSG and Juventus. I think given the level of opposition and competition, it's enough to say he's world class.
Or even knowing what qualities they have?
Enzo has been in Europe for 6 months and since he has been to Chelsea has been dribbled past more times than any other player in the top 5 leagues.
We don’t know what he’s suited to, it seems when the opposition have the ball he hasn’t got the physicality to hold off the opposition.
Mudryk has barely played any games in his career never mind for Chelsea, he’s been as shit in almost as many months as he’s been playing progressional football. Nunez was in the same boat when he moved from Benfica and look how quickly he fell away from Klopps plans.
Chelsea’s problem is that they haven’t bought established stars despite spending so much so they don’t have a track record of what they can bring to a side. They’re signing players based on months worth of form.
Not seeing sterling’s name in any list of players to ship out, but he’d be towards the top of my list.
Has been awful for quite a while.
If Poch comes and has a free hand in shipping out what is needed, combined with no midweek games and I think they’ll be fairly close to top4.
Has been awful for quite a while.
If Poch comes and has a free hand in shipping out what is needed, combined with no midweek games and I think they’ll be fairly close to top4.
Sure, there are loads of Chelsea fans that don’t like him and think he’s being propped up as some super talent just because of his status as an academy graduate. That’s mostly online fans though.
I don’t know that anyone thinks he downed tools though.
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Arsenal will absolutely thrash them tonight.
No way they’ll be able to contain Saka in particular.
No way they’ll be able to contain Saka in particular.
Ideally he gets appointed in the couple of weeks and maybe meets up with Lampard (something Lanpard has said he's happy to do) but I don't think him coming in now, with a massive squad that has zero confidence would be a good move. We could appoint prime Alex Ferguson and would still lose most of our remaining games.
Let Lampard take all the crap and the new boss start fresh.
Don't think we'll get thrashed unless someone gets sent off but it'll be a comfortable win for Arsenal, 2 or 3 zip.
He's coming to Arsenal anyway so that'll be fine.
Boehly and his partners are trying to do what they did with the Dodgers. Buy the best young talent, even at a premium, and build the team. Will it work? Don't know. They never ran into problems selling their young talent for the Dodgers and they are convinced that model will work for Chelsea. The outliers to this are the players they bought in a rush with Tuchel.
I am not saying this is a great idea, but there is a method to their absolute madness.
Yeah that’s what I meant. Chelsea are a fecking big club still, so for me a 3-0 or a sound 2-0 I’d call a ‘thrashing’ given Chelsea’s size. Maybe harsh, but yeah.
It’d be nice to see the Chelsea players start trying to impress the incoming new manager and building some rhythm in defence and attack before the season ends.
100%. Also the volume at which players arrived and the overinflated price tags aren't indicative of Chelsea having no clue of what their doing, even though many people will want us to believe this. Rather it was just so they could exploit a loophole which has now since been closed. They've essentially expedited their recruitment from a potential 2-3 year period to 6 months, plus the certainty of having the players they want now and not potentially missing out on them in the future.
One of my best mates is an Arsenal fan and he’s spent the last 3 years trashing Mount, always talking about how grossly overrated he is etc. Soon as he was linked with Arsenal, he was like ‘not actually a bad player you know, I can see what he brings to the table’
I would honestly be shocked if he ended up at either Arsenal or Liverpool. I think he’s signing a new deal.
It never ends. Eventually we'll be sending every team in the PL plus the teams who made the Championship playoff to play in the CL and Barca, Real, Bayern and a few Italian clubs might get an invite if they're lucky.
There's no chance the likes of Bayern, PSG, City and Juve previously would be allowed to dominate their respective leagues to this extent if it was like the old days and only the champions from each country made the competition. It used to feel like a special competition, but now it's a money spinning shadow of its former self and only serves to increase the overwhelming disparity in club football.
Not to offend any Chelsea fans, but the fact they have won it twice since Abramovich took over in seasons in which they finished 6th and 4th really highlights what a shoddy competition it has become and how the standards have dropped massively by letting everyone and his dog enter(as long as they pay, of course).
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