Exactly. Hate them and in the same time respect them.
CIty was always irrelevant and their titles too. Now it might be official that they won it based on fraud.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
CIty was always irrelevant and their titles too. Now it might be official that they won it based on fraud.
The problem with that argument is that the allegations being thrown at City are not just about the costs base. But the artificial inflating of their revenues. Having a salary cap won't stop any artificial revenue inflation or falsely created revenue streams.
How come PL acted now and let it all happen all those years.
Yea if found guilty of cheating in previous years it’s hard to then say but the title remains there’s. A guilty verdict in any given season and I think the right thinking world will deem that season a forfeit anyway. Like letting Michael Johnson keep his gold medal.
Maybe they were gathering more detailed information/evidence after UEFA botched up their case?
What about the consequences? Clubs got relegated and the related financial costs of that. Wont they sue the PL fr that?
They were probably waiting to get the max payoff they could possibly get from UAE.
The point was you didn’t pay market price for any as @SirReginald suggested
I could add the £100m on Lukaku too
I guess they didn't know or turned a blind eye.
Sounds like once City told them to feck off in 2018 they decided to start investigating.
Huh? Then after getting the 'max payoff', you come out with the accusations?
I just wish to see what they actually paid for Haaland so that the wankers in the media stop parroting the "50m" shite.
Absolutely right. That's why the rivalry with Pool is so intense, they've earned the right to be where and what they are. I can't stand them but I sure as Hell respect them. Why I love the rivalry so much.
City...really couldn't give a toss other than the match days against them. If they win anything, so what?
I meant based on these accusations, they are gonna get a good payoff now so that city can get away. Everyone is corrupt and I refuse to believe that any justice would be done.
100+ charges is insane. That’s just ridiculous.
If found guilty (I mean come on…) they need the hammer to come down on them hard. Agree with most, demotion, monitored under severe scrutiny with every dealing they do.
Dont actually care what that does to the league in the case of not seeing ‘2 derby games’ or losing a ‘big six club’. They’ve done it, not us.
If found guilty (I mean come on…) they need the hammer to come down on them hard. Agree with most, demotion, monitored under severe scrutiny with every dealing they do.
Dont actually care what that does to the league in the case of not seeing ‘2 derby games’ or losing a ‘big six club’. They’ve done it, not us.
Liverpool and United are 2 pillars of English football.
City is just a small club who got the money then, won things while laundering money.
I suspect that the PL knows after the UEFA feck up that if you are going to go after City; make sure you have all your ducks lined up and be prepared for an army of top-notch lawyers/KCs to come after you.
As Khaldoon said, he will have an army of 50 lawyers on it and will drag it out for years. It will cost the PL tens of millions in legal fees to go after City.
Their owners should be barred from football and their directors barred from being directors of UK companies indefinitely.
Definitely won't do that anyway the way Chelsea use him.
Like a chav winning the lottery driving around in a Lamborghini
Just one small question: if they're found guilty of paying their players "under the table" does that mean their players are guilty of tax evasion too?
Exactly my view. The so called buy out figure was heavily smoke and mirrors. Even with the most creative accounting you don't get a player like that for £50m.
Man City have been doing everything to slow/stall tie up all the investigations. One of the charges now and from the UEAFA case is not co-operating with the investigation. Man City have said they will tie up anyone investigating them in 10 years of law courts or something like that. Thats why you get rich people get away with tax fraud and other crimes and the poor people always get fkd over. If you go after the rich people they just throw top end lawyers at you and delay proceedings for years until you either run out of money or the will to live. See how Trump has dodged bullets left and right like a fat old Neo.
By the way, City's statement was hilarious.
'We're surprised by the charge given the volume of records we sent'
So you did the cnut trick of printing everything irrelevant and sending it in boxes did you? Pricks
'We're surprised by the charge given the volume of records we sent'
So you did the cnut trick of printing everything irrelevant and sending it in boxes did you? Pricks
Just a reminder this is a 50 year old man…
I don’t get where all the bravado on City’s side is coming from, there’s nothing dramatic going on here it’s just full scale accounting fraud.
Exactly. No one wants their titles stripped and I don’t think they have the balls.
On another note, I find the padding of the contracts or paying staff under the table worse than inflating sponsorship.
Don’t know if others feel the same.
Haven't read up on what's happened but what's different this time to whenever it happened previously when they obviously were guilty of doping - like everyone knew - yet barely got a slap on the wrist for it? Has FFP implementation suddenly got some teeth?
i think this is serious enough that anyone who has ever played in a blue football kit should also be relegated.
Change their name to Manchester Blue.
Would be funny to undo the 'Agueeeerrrrooo' moment though.
we’ve had plenty of blue third kits. we’ll be down at swindon with you as well.
Our match with Arsenal was also very feisty. Something I have never seen with a City or Chelsea game.
From what I gather it basically boils down to not declaring all payments to staff, over stating sponsorship etc. And for the last 4/5 years they've not cooperated with the investigation.
All the stuff people claimed was going on but there was no proof. It seems that they've found some proof. Unlike UEFA it's not time barred, which is why they're able to go back to 2008.
Well, it appears the revenue aspect is one of the problems. TV has exploded, but your revenue streams also went crazy and that hasn't been seen to such a scale with other clubs. The Eithad deal in particular looked dodgy and then got exposed in the leaks as being Mansoor paying himself. This is where the issue lies with your revenues. How much of it is real and how much of it is just essentially the owner pumping it in and pretending it is commercial revenue?
If significant, then you'll be in trouble as that was against the rules you and the other clubs signed up for.
Then there is the off the book payments. How significant are/were these? If Mancini for instance was being 2x + his declared wage and this was applied to players, then all your financial accounts are essentially fiction. The issue here is obviously proving they were for the job in question and not something seperate. If proven to be for being a Man City manager/player then your going to have HMRC to deal with as well.
Personally, I always wait and see with charges as I believe people/companies should be able to defend themselves before they are declared guilty. However, to just focus on spending in relation to the other teams you were competing with, doesn't really deal with the issues that you're being charged with.
They're confident they'll be cleared of 100 breeches.
Sounds legit.
Sounds legit.
They got off on a technicality with the uefa's case.
Plus they are being accused of being not forthright with providing the relevant information to the PL. Yet they claimed that they have been open and cooperative with the accusers.
The press release was prepared ahead of time. Surprised, no.