CL/EL Semi Finals Draw | Pool to face Bayern/Real in final

[Minimalist]

I'd much rather have a CL semi-final against Roma coming up than a League Cup trophy, and I guess a lot of us would agree with that.

Then you don't know what you're talking about. Not one single Liverpool supporter I know, would trade the CL semi-final, for the League cup. To suggest otherwise is frankly ridiculous.

To clarify, I'm not talking about swapping (winning) the League Cup for the opportunity coming up in the Semi. I mean if you go out to Roma, that versus winning a trophy.

It's all a bit fecking rich coming from the club who hasn't won a bean since 2012.

 

[Giethewill]

As a 'Pool fan, we can't underestimate Roma, because as Klopp said they should've won at least 4 or 5 nil against a brilliant Barca team. I think both teams will cancel each other out. We can be inconsistent just like Roma. I've heard some Serie A fans call Roma, the Arsenal of Serie A due to their inconsistency. I just hope we have a solid game and advance to the final.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Why have Roma been written off? The same Roma who just knocked out Barca and overturned a 3 goal deficit.

Because Pool are better than Barca in attack. They don't sit back and hope that Roma score some OG.

Not that I am writing off Roma, but Pool have a great chance to reach finals.

 

[saivet]

Should Madrid make it, has their been a tougher run to the final?

Spurs and Dortmund in the group and then PSG, Juventus and Bayern in the knock outs.

 

[HTG]

The irony of a bunch of fans of United and Bayern, regularly talking about Real being somehow helped by the refs, never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Jamie L]

@Jamie L You'd won under the same manager and generally same group of players couple of years prior which was still fresh in the memory.

Monaco were also in the semis last year, but they are largely considered a selling club at the moment.

Monaco are not in the same league. We are competing with the elite clubs for players - showing we can compete at the top end, helps.

 

[OneFootball]

Why have Roma been written off? The same Roma who just knocked out Barca and overturned a 3 goal deficit.

Only an idiot would write off Roma. They’ve topped their group beating Chelsea convincingly there. They are a very good side and will play with the fervour of Liverpool and the Olimpico will equal or surpass whatever Anfield offers up. Liverpool may be slight favourites but so were City and Barca so that doesn’t count for an awful lot at this stage. Its actually the draw that I didn’t want but having said all that, its just great to be at this stage after so long and I hope that we just go for it - no regrets. But there are no easy games at this stage, for anyone!

 

[Hawks2008]

Should Madrid make it, has their been a tougher run to the final?

Spurs and Dortmund in the group and then PSG, Juventus and Bayern in the knock outs.

It's hilarious that their run could potentially have them beat the French, Italian, and German champions only to then lose to a side featuring Jordan Henderson.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Monaco are not in the same league. We are competing with the elite clubs for players - showing we can compete at the top end, helps.

Monaco have been competing for top players as well prior.

 

[Jamie L]

To clarify, I'm not talking about swapping (winning) the League Cup for the opportunity coming up in the Semi. I mean if you go out to Roma, that versus winning a trophy.

It's all a bit fecking rich coming from the club who hasn't won a bean since 2012.

No, you're trying to downplay the Champions League semi-final, which NO Liverpool fan would swap for the League cup (which is basically a new version of the old reserve League).

 

[Pagh Wraith]

Great draw. Finally Bayern play a strong side and will hopefully be eliminated.

 

[Minimalist]

No, you're trying to downplay the Champions League semi-final, which NO Liverpool fan would swap for the League cup (which is basically a new version of the old reserve League).

No I'm bloody not!

I'm talking about the fact that winning trophies is always preferred to winning feck all. No matter how good you are at times during the season.

And also quit bashing the league cup, minor as it may be, it's still last tin cup you feckers won.

 

[Jamie L]

Monaco have been competing for top players as well prior.

Okay, so Monaco are as bigger name as Liverpool, you win mate. No point arguing with the absurd. Agree to disagree.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Only an idiot would write off Roma. They’ve topped their group beating Chelsea convincingly there. They are a very good side and will play with the fervour of Liverpool and the Olimpico will equal or surpass whatever Anfield offers up. Liverpool may be slight favourites but so were City and Barca so that doesn’t count for an awful lot at this stage. Its actually the draw that I didn’t want but having said all that, its just great to be at this stage after so long and I hope that we just go for it - no regrets. But there are no easy games at this stage, for anyone!

Liverpool are clear favourites. Chelsea have basically shown they're a terrible side and I'm not sure Roma have the defensive capability to hold off Liverpool's attack.

Obviously you are in the CL semis and the matches aren't supposed to be easy. But we faced Schalke in the semis in 2011 and that was as easy as you could get. I think Liverpool win by a comfortable margin in the first leg and that should be enough.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Liverpool are winning it aren't they?

 

[Goochy]

They don’t have a ‘very good chance’ now. They are the third favorites behind Bayern and Real, and maybe slightly ahead of Roma.

If they reach the final, whoever they play there will be huge favorites against Liverpool.

2005 was anomaly. 9 times out of 10 they lose that final. It won’t happen again like it didn’t happen in 2007 either.

According to the bookies they are 9/4 to win it. I'd say that's a very good chance. So no, if they get to the final they won't be worse than 9/4 for a start. They certainly wouldn't be huge underdogs.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Okay, so Monaco are as bigger name as Liverpool, you win mate. No point arguing with the absurd. Agree to disagree.

I never said that. In fact when you bought up Torres as an example of a player who joined a club because they were in the CL Semis which was obviously wasn't true, I did say he joined Liverpool because they were a big club.

I personally believe as long as Liverpool are in the CL they don't have to worry about competing for with most clubs (maybe only the Spanish 2, Bayern and Manchester clubs would be ahead of them). The finish in the CL Semis doesn't really add much value to attracting players as Liverpool are already a big enough club.

 

[Pagh Wraith]

They don’t have a ‘very good chance’ now. They are the third favorites behind Bayern and Real, and maybe slightly ahead of Roma.

If they reach the final, whoever they play there will be huge favorites against Liverpool.

2005 was anomaly. 9 times out of 10 they lose that final. It won’t happen again like it didn’t happen in 2007 either.

Not sure I'd agree with Bayern being favourites against Liverpool. I see Liverpool's chances of winning the whole thing at about 30% (0.6+0.6x0.4+0.6x0.4x0.55 roughly) now.

 

[saivet]

Liverpool are clear favourites. Chelsea have basically shown they're a terrible side and I'm not sure Roma have the defensive capability to hold off Liverpool's attack.

Obviously you are in the CL semis and the matches aren't supposed to be easy. But we faced Schalke in the semis in 2011 and that was as easy as you could get. I think Liverpool win by a comfortable margin in the first leg and that should be enough.

It does seem like a similar run to us in 2011 for Liverpool.

This Roma team has at least topped a group with Chelsea and Atleti and knocked out Barca. IIRC, I don't think Schalke beat anyone of nite.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

Liverpool are clear favourites. Chelsea have basically shown they're a terrible side and I'm not sure Roma have the defensive capability to hold off Liverpool's attack.

Obviously you are in the CL semis and the matches aren't supposed to be easy. But we faced Schalke in the semis in 2011 and that was as easy as you could get. I think Liverpool win by a comfortable margin in the first leg and that should be enough.

It's true, when people say 'there are no easy games at this level' it sounds reasonable but of course there have been comfortable wins at all levels (CL, World Cup etc.). It's still every power to a team in a semi or a quarter, where they will naturally play a team who are no mugs, making a game look so simple and routine. Hell as soon as Liverpool got their second goal the game just deflated, tangibly so, and they strolled to the semi final (through their own great work I must add).

 

[RobinLFC]

To clarify, I'm not talking about swapping (winning) the League Cup for the opportunity coming up in the Semi. I mean if you go out to Roma, that versus winning a trophy.

It's all a bit fecking rich coming from the club who hasn't won a bean since 2012.

I'd still choose a run to the CL semis. It's the biggest club competition in the world, the best of the best and you'd be one of the four teams standing. Add up the excitement of the quarters, last 16 and stuff and no, I wouldn't swap that for winning a League Cup. Not having won anything for five years doesn't really change anything for me, I just want to enjoy watching us play and a CL quarter-final like the two legs vs City give me much more excitement than a League Cup final, that's just how it is. You can disagree all you want but you're not gonna tell me how I feel about it

 

[Fully Fledged]

I'd much rather have a CL semi-final against Roma coming up than a League Cup trophy, and I guess a lot of us would agree with that.

I would agree with that. Being top 4 in Europe is a bigger challenge/achievement than winning the Feck-knows-what-it's-called-this-week cup

 

[horsechoker]

Because Pool are better than Barca in attack. They don't sit back and hope that Roma score some OG.

Not that I am writing off Roma, but Pool have a great chance to reach finals.

Can't be that great if they couldn't even score against us this season. (own goals don't count) Also debatable whether they are better than Barca in attack, man for man Barca have better players up front.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Can't be that great if they couldn't even score against us this season. (own goals don't count) Also debatable whether they are better than Barca in attack, man for man Barca have better players up front.

Barca hardly showed their attacking prowess over 2 legs. They are the better team obviously, but you don't get anything just for being better.

 

[Minimalist]

I'd still choose a run to the CL semis. It's the biggest club competition in the world, the best of the best and you'd be one of the four teams standing. Add up the excitement of the quarters, last 16 and stuff and no, I wouldn't swap that for winning a League Cup. Not having won anything for five years doesn't really change anything for me, I just want to enjoy watching us play and a CL quarter-final like the two legs vs City give me much more excitement than a League Cup final, that's just how it is. You can disagree all you want but you're not gonna tell me how I feel about it

That's fair enough. I mean United supporters still love the 7-1 over Roma in 2007 despite going out in the semi's ourselves (but we did win the title that year to be fair).

I just think you shouldn't turn your nose up at your team being winners in a big stadium and lifting a trophy. No matter how minor it may be.

Saying, "I don't care if we go out to Roma, I'd rather that than winning the league cup", sounds a bit daft in context of what Liverpool have been like in the last 10 years in terms of winning trophies. Ultimately, top teams win things - not just applause.

 

[breakout67]

ITT: Salah, Firmino and Mane are better than Messi, Suarez and Dembele

Roma must be licking their chops at getting a non elite team in the CL semi final.

 

[Crustanoid]

The chances are Liverpool don't win this, but why is a win for them feeling so fecking likely just at the moment?

They need to watch our PL match and City's CL games against them on repeat with 'do this, don't do this' pasted above the respective performances.

In my mind they have already won it.

LFC 2018 CL champions

6 times is already a fact of life.

Roma and Bayern/Real foregone conclusions

The ex-player pundits out in force with their speeches and commentary already running around the public consciousness

News articles and poetry already written
Knighthoods and MBEs already allocated

 

[Gegenpress]

If LFC win the 6th European cup, surely that puts us back on our perch.

 

[IRELANDUNITED]

Should Madrid make it, has their been a tougher run to the final?

Spurs and Dortmund in the group and then PSG, Juventus and Bayern in the knock outs.

Yeah imagine going through all that to lose to Liverpool in the final

Please god no.

 

[bosnian_red]

Liverpool are obviously massive favourite. Roma did extremely well and can cause an upset, but it doesnt change liverpool being favourites for that tie. Please dzeko knock them out

Think Bayern will knock out Madrid, and either of those 2 will beat Liverpool in the final, but in a one off game anything can happen so it's definitely a worry. Would've preferred Liverpool getting one of bayern/Madrid but oh well.

 

[Addictive]

Klopp's record in finals + Real's record in finals.

Nothing to worry about

Interestingly enough

Real's CL final record
Won - 12
Lost - 3

Liverpool's CL final record
Won - 5
Lost - 2

Bayern Munich CL Final record
Won - 5
Lost - 5

Roma CL Final Record
Won - 0
Lost - 1

 

[amolbhatia50k]

People need to seriously stop underestimating Roma. They fully capable of knocking out 'pool

Now, reflect on that, while i'm going out to bet my house on Liverpool winning the CL

They absolutely are. But they're less capable than Bayern and Madrid of course.

 

[spiriticon]

The draw was rigged as feck.

But Roma are not easy opponents for Liverpool. They know exactly how Salah plays, and their defence is good.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

In my mind they have already won it.

LFC 2018 CL champions

6 times is already a fact of life.

Roma and Bayern/Real foregone conclusions

The ex-player pundits out in force with their speeches and commentary already running around the public consciousness

News articles and poetry already written
Knighthoods and MBEs already allocated

That's usually a highlight of the scousers, but it's much less funny when it's about real stuff other than drawing with West Brom and wearing 'Pray for Suarez' shirts on telly

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Should Madrid make it, has their been a tougher run to the final?

Spurs and Dortmund in the group and then PSG, Juventus and Bayern in the knock outs.

Yes, us facing Barcelona in 2009/11. I'd rather face those three teams than that one bloody annoying Barcelona team.

 

[MUFC OK]

Roma are a good side but they are also prettt slow and have a few players in important positions the wrong side of 30 who will struggle to deal with the press or stop the counter attack.

Damage to be done in the first leg, Liverpool going through to a final where anything can happen. This is fecking disgusting.

This is how I see it unfolding too, they will run over Roma in the first leg. Fancy them to win it.

 

[jderbyshire]

It'll be Liverpool v Real in the final.

3 times in a row for Ronnie n co.

Klopp to cement his status as expert final loser.

 

[fcbforever]

The way Bayern officials, fans and German media spinned last years defeat to make it look like refs fecked you over, while you received a non existent penalty in the first game and scored offside goal to take the game to extra time in the second half was hilarious.

You also wanted a second yellow for Casemiro while Vidal got away with this after being on a yellow card.




I read somewhere that fans at Allianz were clapping every time Juventus scored on Wednesday. That alone tells you all you need to know about how this tie will end. Trees will burn again and Bayern will go out and everyone but them will be blamed.

You know why people clapped?`Because of pricks like you. That wasn't even a foul from Vidal (although Kroos REALLY wanted it to look like that), and he still got sent off later. So what do you complain about. Yet we got at least one red card which was utter bullshit. And if Vidal had to go, yes, Casemiro should have been sent of as well.

That pen was a pen, there were no offside goals in those matches. Wtf man. How can one be so delusional. Probably because deep down you know you should have gone out that night.

 

[haram]

Roma scored 6 against Chelsea and 4 against Barca. They are a good team.

 

[automaticflare]

If they get past Roma anything can happen in a one off game.
While Klopp is inconsistent against specific tactics and has no plan B it will suit them playing a team in the final who come out with the ball allowing them to counter.
Roma could be a difficult game if they play the Italian way with a deep defensive line themselves. That’s where Liverpool struggle and always will under Klopp