Are the levels of misinformation as high in those spheres as they are in the easily accessible English speaking countries?
Nope. A lot of footballers come across as genuinely stupid people so it doesn’t surprise me that they get caught up in misinformation and conspiracy theories. It’s not often you get a footballer in the top tier who actually comes across as intelligent.
Nope. Still cant force them to. They might fire them if they dont comply but cant force them to take the jab.
Most people who needs job just take the jab, as most sane people does. I took mine the first day it's available.
But still. You cant literally tie them up and force them to if they dont want it. And even to fire them would not be a simple thing.
Not that i agree with it
Big missed opportunity.Think it's insanity they haven't just called off all the games and tried to start again on boxing day.
Stop, mandate vaccinations, re-introduce higher levels of testing and bubbles etc, it was done before we can do it again.Problem is if you stop, when do you restart. Awful situation with the current regulations.
Stop, mandate vaccinations, re-introduce higher levels of testing and bubbles etc, it was done before we can do it again.
I thought the reason for them saying 3 shots was due to a majority of the population had their first 2 more than 6 months ago, when their effectiveness starts to dropOmicron requires 3 shots. Thus, it would take at least 8 to 12 weeks until the players can be considered as fully vaccinated.
Would be interesting to see if there's a correlation between nationality and vaccine hesitancy in the PL.
Surely it only requires 3 shots if the other two are not working anymore because of time past.Omicron requires 3 shots. Thus, it would take at least 8 to 12 weeks until the players can be considered as fully vaccinated.
I thought the reason for them saying 3 shots was due to a majority of the population had their first 2 more than 6 months ago, when their effectiveness starts to drop
One of The Athletic podcasts that came out after their first vaccination article talked briefly about the fact that a huge chunk of the unvaccinated players in the PL are British - and that their unvaccinated % FAR outnumbers overseas players in the PL.
There was an article too - I think from Samuel Luckhurst in the MEN - that said almost all of the unvaccinated players at United are British. Made the point that Cavani is a spokesman for vaccine awareness - and has been since 2018.
I know just from their social media posts that Cavani, Fred, De Gea and all three of our Portuguese players have been vaccinated.
You'll allow doctors and nurses and other healthcare workers working tirelessly for the last two years, many succumbing to death themselves, enough time to recover from what will surely be a huge surge in hospital admissions next week onwards. The number of new cases is steadily increasing to ~ 100,000 per day in the UK.
You don't want the NHS to be even more overwhelmed than they already are because hundreds of thousands of folks decided to shout together in jampacked stadiums to watch 22 players playing a ball, do you?
Or at least, the games should be played behind closed doors immediately.
Does the jab make you less seceptible to the new variant? if not as I presume, I why bother isolating vaccinated or not? What am I missing, I have friends triple jabbed who have had the new strain so it doesn't prevent against that...
Does the jab make you less seceptible to the new variant? if not as I presume, I why bother isolating vaccinated or not? What am I missing, I have friends triple jabbed who have had the new strain so it doesn't prevent against that...
Not preventing and being less susceptible are two very different things. Yes it makes you less susceptible, no it doesn't prevent it. Your anecdote reinforces the latter and tells you nothing about the former. That's been the case since the first variant and the first vaccine, and it also applies to many other vaccines we're familiar with, like the flu vaccine...it shouldn't be a puzzling thing.
No vaccine is 100% effective, but the Covid vaccine is more effective against the new variant than having no vaccine, just as it was against all the previous variants. People are still getting confused by this though.
It isn't puzzling, a vaccine in turn helps you build antibodies by putting (Usually dead) version of the vaccine in your body, if you have already had it, you are as good as triple jabbed surely? What am I missing
From what I've read the vaccine does nothing against the new variant...
It's not really a surprise as footballers are known not to be the sharpest tools in the box (and that's being kind).Was anyone else as shocked as me when you found out that professional footballers were for the most part not vaccinated?
Well said my old friendIt doesn't sound like you really care much about the answer to that question because if you'd looked into it at all, you'd find out that no, natural immunity and artificial / vaccine-induced immunity are not equivalent in general, or in this case. Of course, that has almost nothing to do with the original question you asked: does the jab make you less susceptible to the new variant? It's almost as if the question was insincere from the beginning, and you just wanted to unravel a particular trope
Could that be due to ethnic background?That may be true, but it doesn't explain the difference between the PL and other top leagues. In Serie A 98% of all players are supposedly fully vaccinated.
Yeah the vast majority of them are thick, they see some shite that someone has posted online and they believe it.It's not really a surprise as footballers are known not to be the sharpest tools in the box (and that's being kind).
Do you have a source to prove that? From what I've read the vaccine does nothing against the new variant... Jus trying to understand here..
Preliminary laboratory studies demonstrate that three doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine neutralize the Omicron variant
Could that be due to ethnic background?
Are there not major differences between ethnic backgrounds as to how many are vaccinated?
Mandating people to have vaccines isn’t forcing them to take it, it just makes life more difficult in the hope they comply. Once it’s mandated in law, they’re not allowed back into the work site, so basically they’ve chosen to leave.Nope. Still cant force them to. They might fire them if they dont comply but cant force them to take the jab.
Most people who needs job just take the jab, as most sane people does. I took mine the first day it's available.
But still. You cant literally tie them up and force them to if they dont want it. And even to fire them would not be a simple thing.
Not that i agree with it
This BBC article says Bundesliga is higher (94% double vaccinated) .. with France and Italy leagues higher still.That - sort of - makes sense.
Sort of. The percentage of vaccinated people in both Italy and Spain is considerably higher than in the UK. But then again, the difference between Germany, France and the UK isn't that dramatic - from what I can tell (UK is behind but not by that much) *. And - which is the really odd thing here - the percentage in the PL is actually lower than in the general populace.
That's just bizarre, really - the tendency is the very opposite for every other league (the percentage of vaccinated footballers is much higher than the total percentage of vaccinated residents).
* Actually, England (by far the most players in the PL are English) has a slightly higher percentage than Germany (according to one source, at least) at the moment. Slightly lower than France (pretty much the same).
What’s odd is everyone acting as if all of this stuff is new and unexpected. Adenoviruses don’t want to kill their host, but they do want to spread. They eventually mutate to become more transmissible, but less deadly. This is not novel science.
Vaccines were always meant to prevent hitting the threshold curve of overwhelming medical systems. It’s main value is NOT preventing transmission totally: it is in preventing the need for hospitalization and lowering the viral load of carriers to help at least limit transmission. Again … none of this is new. People comparing it to the flu NOW are wrong. People comparing it to the flu historically? It is pretty close in terms of scenario. So 60 years from now there will be yearly flu and/or covid shots, 180 or so active strains, and it will be a ubiquitous part of life.
Get your shot. Don’t strain the hospitals. I have this weird feeling that a significant percentage of the white collar world secretly wants more shutdowns so they can telecommute in their Jamie’s, spend more time with their kids, and binge watch Netflix shows. Science has given us tools we didn’t have in 1918. Use them. Don’t panic. Get to work.
The trouble is that how easily a virus transmits from one host to another doesn’t necessarily correlate with how sick it makes its host. Take the bacterium that causes cholera for example, which needs people to get sick – often deadly sick – before it can spread, principally through diarrhoea. Respiratory viruses need people to be close enough to be breathing the same air, to be transmitted to a new host, but don’t necessarily need them to be sick. SARS-CoV-2 is thought to be most infectious shortly before and during the first few days after people develop symptoms. The most severe COVID-19 symptoms don’t tend to develop until the second week of the infection, by which time most of the active virus has been neutralised by the body’s immune response. Indeed, the catastrophic organ failure and breathing difficulties experienced by people with severe COVID-19, are largely driven by an overactive immune response to the virus, rather than by the virus attempting to transmit itself to a new host.
So, unless SARS-CoV-2 becomes so virulent that it causes people to become severely ill and self-isolate before they transmit the virus to other people, there is no pressure on it to become less deadly.
"The statement that 'in the history of virology, there has never, ever, been a viral mutation that resulted in a virus that was more lethal' appears to be quite untrue," Timothy Sheahan, virologist and assistant professor for the Gillings School of Global Public Health of the University of North Carolina, told USA TODAY.
Sheahan pointed to several examples such as the Ebola virus, which was discovered in 2016 to have undergone a mutation that not only made it more transmissible but likely more infective. This variant eventually died when the epidemic ended in 2016. The West Nile virus was found in 1999 to have mutated into a highly virulent strain, killing crows on multiple continents.
Mandating people to have vaccines isn’t forcing them to take it, it just makes life more difficult in the hope they comply. Once it’s mandated in law, they’re not allowed back into the work site, so basically they’ve chosen to leave.
I think this has to do with privacy issues.The least the PL can do is name the players who aren't vaccinated. We can shame them from our end.
I think this has to do with privacy issues. People has the right to reveal whether they are vac or not. The govt also needs to allow publication of such things before premier league can publish.I'm totally with Klopp here. Why don't they just publish for every club who got and who needed to quarantine because they had close contact and aren't vaccinated.
First it's better transparency for everybody, secondly it would put some more pressure on unvaccinated players to finally get the jabs.
I don't see any benefits of making a big secrecy out of it. This will only spread conspiracy theories.
The cases of Choupo Mouting and Kimmich at Bayern should be a stem warning to all players who believe they aren't at risk because they are young and athletes.
