Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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I can't imagine these opinions are based on the full match? Because I watched it and, in my opinion, he was extremely poor before extra time (and nothing particularly special after). Kept trying to pull off tricks and failing to, literally couldn't beat a single defender when he was 1v1. He came alive twice in ET, scored two good goals (especially the last one, great anticipation, instant control and finish). However, Benzema and Modric were the only RM players in "beast mode" I'd say.
Again a rather underwhelming individual award win as well (Best Player apparently went to him, somehow)... Can't fault his drive though.
Feel bad for Kashima Antlers as they were very much RM's equal, if not slightly better I thought, but the physical toll of having to play 4 games in 10 days coupled with 30 min extra time proved too much, understandably.
Additionally, Ramos could and (imo) should've been off at the end of regular time but the ref shit the bed, had his hand in his pocket and all, left everyone hanging in limbo for a good 30 seconds before just doing nothing.
If there's one word I'd associate with Zidane's RM it's this: resilience.
Yeah how dare a MOTM award go to a player scoring a hat trick.
Unprecedented that.
Unprecedented that.
Well, there is still a difference between the Golden Boot and the Golden Ball... at least I'd hope so. Benzema and Modric performed better in this tournament than Cristiano, in my opinion.
I thought Kroos did well in the final although I only watched from the start of the 2nd half.
Could be. Not suggesting Ronaldo is best performer at all, but to take it to extreme, if a striker scored hattrick every game and won everything in sight, even having many bad minutes on pitch, I am sure that player will win both golden boot and golden ball. It's rather meaningless to judge a striker purely on his performance alone without looking at his goals, as his main role is to score, or at least being "productive".
Sounds like the Champions League final all over again.
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Scored his 56th penalty kick in La Liga, meaning he equals the all-time record.
1. Hugo Sánchez, 56 penalties (total: 234 goals in 347 apps)
=. Cristiano, 56 penalties (total: 272 goals in 249 apps)
3. Ronald Koeman, 45 penalties (total: 67 goals in 192 apps)
4. Lyuboslav Penev, 44 penalties (total: 129 goals in 305 apps)
5. Lionel Messi, 42 penalties (total: 326 goals in 363 apps)
1. Hugo Sánchez, 56 penalties (total: 234 goals in 347 apps)
=. Cristiano, 56 penalties (total: 272 goals in 249 apps)
3. Ronald Koeman, 45 penalties (total: 67 goals in 192 apps)
4. Lyuboslav Penev, 44 penalties (total: 129 goals in 305 apps)
5. Lionel Messi, 42 penalties (total: 326 goals in 363 apps)
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Who has the best conversion rate from those 5?
From what I could gather: Koeman.
1. Hugo Sánchez, 56 penalties out of 71 = 78.9%
=. Cristiano, 56 penalties out of 65 = 86.2%
3. Ronald Koeman, 45 penalties out of 51 = 88.2% (another source has him at 46 penalties scored)
4. Lyuboslav Penev, 44 penalties out of 53 = 83.0% (another source has him at 43 penalties scored)
5. Lionel Messi, 42 penalties out of 50 = 84.0%
He is beyond finished. His all round game has deteriorated even further which is surprisingly possible. He's now utterly reliant on his teammates & penalties to perform .
I can see Madrid going after Hazard as early as this summer to replace him .
I can see Madrid going after Hazard as early as this summer to replace him .
And he just signed a new contract till 2021 a few months ago
his performance vs Celta
He is clearly not finished. However, his game has become so fine tuned to scoring goals that the rest of his game is almost an afterthought at this point. He's also a tad slower. I was watching his debut vs Bolton recently and he was blisteringly quick. His numbers do a great job of masking it but, he's in decline and has been for a while. Credit to him for managing it so superbly.
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Every attacker is reliant on teammates to get it done to a really high level. He's not finished until his numbers drop and they haven't.
I don't think he's finished, when he can still score goals at an incredible rate.
But yeah his all-around game is declining.
But yeah his all-around game is declining.
People are so reactive! 
Madrid should sell him and Bale to bring in Neymar.
Goals so far this season:
Messi 27
Ronaldo, Suarez 18
Griezmann, Benzema 12
Neymar, Bale 7
Seems like the output has dropped for most of these players bar Messi, who has been outstanding.
Messi 27
Ronaldo, Suarez 18
Griezmann, Benzema 12
Neymar, Bale 7
Seems like the output has dropped for most of these players bar Messi, who has been outstanding.
He's gone off the unclimbable cliff with Rooney physically it seems.
That yard of pace goes and soon becomes a mile. You can't reach balls as quickly as you used to and then when you do you've got players closer to you that you can't get away from as easily. Schweinsteiger is another, he simply can't reach passes and get around the pitch like he used to and therefore his entire style of play is nullified. Henry was another who declined very quickly. In 2008-09 it was obvious he'd lost some of his pace but he was still with it and played really well in the three with Eto'o and Messi, in 2009-10 he was done.
People said it wouldn't happen because of his general attitude to his personal fitness and it was a fair assumption because the guy is still in great shape but age tells and once you lose that yard you're never the same.
As @surf mentioned though, general output for all the big names has gone down this season by a fair bit aside from Messi who seems revitalised this year. Or maybe the others being less effective has put all the attention back on Messi who's just performing as he normally would?
That yard of pace goes and soon becomes a mile. You can't reach balls as quickly as you used to and then when you do you've got players closer to you that you can't get away from as easily. Schweinsteiger is another, he simply can't reach passes and get around the pitch like he used to and therefore his entire style of play is nullified. Henry was another who declined very quickly. In 2008-09 it was obvious he'd lost some of his pace but he was still with it and played really well in the three with Eto'o and Messi, in 2009-10 he was done.
People said it wouldn't happen because of his general attitude to his personal fitness and it was a fair assumption because the guy is still in great shape but age tells and once you lose that yard you're never the same.
As @surf mentioned though, general output for all the big names has gone down this season by a fair bit aside from Messi who seems revitalised this year. Or maybe the others being less effective has put all the attention back on Messi who's just performing as he normally would?
His overall game is 'Rooney' level these days but he bangs them in because overpowered team in underpowered League. I miss our Ronaldo as much as I miss our Rooney.
I was watching his 2004/2005 videos and he was an amazing player, he couldnt dribble anymore soon he decided to put some muscles on. Then the Portuguese media a few years ago said he has a bad knee and was told not to dribble because he could get an end of career injury.
This is it. This and the marketing, of course.
I think he's doing a decent job of trying to mask his decline. He's a proper professional so age has set in and he can't do anything more than he is trying right now and personally still think hr has a lot to offer for most teams as a pure striker.. and to be fair, Real are still doing well with him n the side. From what I have seen of Real, he plays more of a pure striker now and his tantrums have lessened as he realises he needs his team mates more.. he's simplified his game hugely to maximise his goalscoring which is the sensible approach to take if he is going to squeeze out a few more years at this level.
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Bale has been injured remember.
That is 100% true - he will never win the European Championships. Utter failure considering his talent, you would think he would move Argentina.
I was checking his injuries list and he was 3 months out with an injury which came back again when he was at RM and maybe from a pony trick he changed to a machine because off his injuries a not so much because he's lifting weights. Also he has a history to play games when he's still injured like WC 2010 for example.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/cristiano-ronaldo/verletzungen/spieler/8198
16/17 Thigh problems Nov 27, 2016 Dec 1, 2016 4 days 1
16/17 Flu Sep 15, 2016 Sep 19, 2016 4 days 1
16/17 Torn Collateral Ligament Jul 11, 2016 Sep 9, 2016 60 days 3
15/16 Muscle fibre Apr 21, 2016 May 2, 2016 11 days 3
14/15 Thigh problems Aug 25, 2014 Sep 11, 2014 17 days 2
13/14 Thigh problems May 8, 2014 Jun 9, 2014 32 days 3
13/14 Thigh problems Apr 3, 2014 Apr 17, 2014 14 days 4
13/14 Thigh Muscle Strain Nov 25, 2013 Dec 2, 2013 7 days 2
10/11 Muscular problems Mar 21, 2011 Apr 4, 2011 14 days 1
10/11 Strain in the thigh and gluteal muscles Mar 3, 2011 Mar 14, 2011 11 days 3
10/11 Contusion Aug 30, 2010 Sep 9, 2010 10 days -
09/10 Ankle injury Oct 12, 2009 Nov 23, 2009 42 days 9
09/10 Malleolar injury Oct 1, 2009 Oct 8, 2009 7 days 1
08/09 Malleolar injury Nov 24, 2008 Nov 24, 2008 0 days -
08/09 Malleolar injury Jul 7, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 94 days 11
http://www.transfermarkt.com/cristiano-ronaldo/verletzungen/spieler/8198
16/17 Thigh problems Nov 27, 2016 Dec 1, 2016 4 days 1
16/17 Flu Sep 15, 2016 Sep 19, 2016 4 days 1
16/17 Torn Collateral Ligament Jul 11, 2016 Sep 9, 2016 60 days 3
15/16 Muscle fibre Apr 21, 2016 May 2, 2016 11 days 3
14/15 Thigh problems Aug 25, 2014 Sep 11, 2014 17 days 2
13/14 Thigh problems May 8, 2014 Jun 9, 2014 32 days 3
13/14 Thigh problems Apr 3, 2014 Apr 17, 2014 14 days 4
13/14 Thigh Muscle Strain Nov 25, 2013 Dec 2, 2013 7 days 2
10/11 Muscular problems Mar 21, 2011 Apr 4, 2011 14 days 1
10/11 Strain in the thigh and gluteal muscles Mar 3, 2011 Mar 14, 2011 11 days 3
10/11 Contusion Aug 30, 2010 Sep 9, 2010 10 days -
09/10 Ankle injury Oct 12, 2009 Nov 23, 2009 42 days 9
09/10 Malleolar injury Oct 1, 2009 Oct 8, 2009 7 days 1
08/09 Malleolar injury Nov 24, 2008 Nov 24, 2008 0 days -
08/09 Malleolar injury Jul 7, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 94 days 11
Yeah that was a dive, there another similar play yesterday but that was not a dive though.
Overall I think he hasn't declined that bad like some of you are suggesting... yet, although his role in the team does rely in the team and he seems to be struggling to get on form, he has been rested enough so I guess now it's a matter of getting a run of games as a starter. More than being physically in decline he, and many of his teammates, are being too slow when reacting and are too imprecise but I attribute that to concentration and being half assed when playing.
Overall I think he hasn't declined that bad like some of you are suggesting... yet, although his role in the team does rely in the team and he seems to be struggling to get on form, he has been rested enough so I guess now it's a matter of getting a run of games as a starter. More than being physically in decline he, and many of his teammates, are being too slow when reacting and are too imprecise but I attribute that to concentration and being half assed when playing.
Messi is 29, Ronald is 31. Two years can make a big difference at the top level.
Pulled off a pretty embarrassing dive trying to win a penalty in their recent game. Thought he was past that rubbish.
Yes it can but given for how long they have played since being very young it shouldn't be that high difference, they both recent having long seasons and playing so many games with little rest between club and nation. As for Ronaldo he should be alright now so I hope it's just a lack of rhythm because we do need him to appear when the games are tight and we aren't winning comfortably.
Of course, and with one of the best teams of his career (40 games unbeaten, in route to a ~100 goal league season) his numbers have dropped, 18 goals in 22 matches is a downgrade for him, even worse if you dig deeper and find that only 12 of that goals came from open play (not a pk), even Ibra has scored more goals per minute than him without the pk's
Inevitably the years are catching up to him, if he keeps trying to turn back the clock like he seemed to try yesterday regressing to his 2006 style he will do worse, both him and Zidane need to understand he's now a striker and he looks worse the further away from goal he plays
Watched his Ronaldo movie last night which was pretty good.
On another note,will he score 400 goals for Real ?
On another note,will he score 400 goals for Real ?
I read somewhere that he's been playing injured for the last 4 years.I was checking his injuries list and he was 3 months out with an injury which came back again when he was at RM and maybe from a pony trick he changed to a machine because off his injuries a not so much because he's lifting weights. Also he has a history to play games when he's still injured like WC 2010 for example.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/cristiano-ronaldo/verletzungen/spieler/8198
16/17 Thigh problems Nov 27, 2016 Dec 1, 2016 4 days 1
16/17 Flu Sep 15, 2016 Sep 19, 2016 4 days 1
16/17 Torn Collateral Ligament Jul 11, 2016 Sep 9, 2016 60 days 3
15/16 Muscle fibre Apr 21, 2016 May 2, 2016 11 days 3
14/15 Thigh problems Aug 25, 2014 Sep 11, 2014 17 days 2
13/14 Thigh problems May 8, 2014 Jun 9, 2014 32 days 3
13/14 Thigh problems Apr 3, 2014 Apr 17, 2014 14 days 4
13/14 Thigh Muscle Strain Nov 25, 2013 Dec 2, 2013 7 days 2
10/11 Muscular problems Mar 21, 2011 Apr 4, 2011 14 days 1
10/11 Strain in the thigh and gluteal muscles Mar 3, 2011 Mar 14, 2011 11 days 3
10/11 Contusion Aug 30, 2010 Sep 9, 2010 10 days -
09/10 Ankle injury Oct 12, 2009 Nov 23, 2009 42 days 9
09/10 Malleolar injury Oct 1, 2009 Oct 8, 2009 7 days 1
08/09 Malleolar injury Nov 24, 2008 Nov 24, 2008 0 days -
08/09 Malleolar injury Jul 7, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 94 days 11
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