That almost made me sick in my mouth. He should be so grateful for the service he gets, it's not as if he's scoring blinding individual goals regularly is it?
Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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That almost made me sick in my mouth. He should be so grateful for the service he gets, it's not as if he's scoring blinding individual goals regularly is it?
I'm not disputing this, only remarking that there does exist some degree of "mythmaking" (or shall we say, exaggerations) with regards to Maradona's time in Italy.
14 goals from being Real Madrid's top scorer ever and 8 goals away from scoring more for Real than Scholes and Giggs scored for us combined.
Mental for a player who's only been there for six seasons. What a monster.
Mental for a player who's only been there for six seasons. What a monster.
With all those goals, its amazing all the titles his goals have won, shows how important they are in the big games, especially when they won the CL last year, that 4th goal in 118th minute of injury time from a penalty , that celebration was most despicable individual piece of narcissm and egotiism from a sports player I`ve seen
No denying his goals, but his goals where more valuable in terms of in big matches when he was with us for some reason
Very true.
But truth is other world class forwards playing in these two teams didn't have those insane stats at all. You may argue they are not the main players but still, it doesn't add up there.
Great season by Ronaldo. After the terrible World Cup he needed a great season and he's had just that. His goal scoring feats really are incredible. I still remember when he started getting a goal a game for us and started going on a run, I thought "nah, he can't keep this little run going can he?". Well, he has, for 6 or so years ffs.
Although a small part of me does love the fact that he's had far more success with us than with Madrid.
Although a small part of me does love the fact that he's had far more success with us than with Madrid.
Neymar is starting put up pretty crazy numbers too. Before yesterday he had more goals than Ronaldo in 2015.
This is exactly what Drogba said after the 06/07 season.
This season Ronaldo is still far ahead of Neymar in terms of goals/assist in the league (double the amount), and he has done it consistently year after year. Neymar is still far behind there, but let's see how the next 5-7 years goes.
Like I said in 2015 he's matched his output in terms of goals, or thereabouts. I'm not saying he's as good, but I'm saying it's possible for him to get big numbers to, it could happen. I don't think it's as unlikely as some think. Maybe not 50 every season because that consistency is difficult but I can see Neymar getting 35-40 a season regularly and developing his all round game more, given he's got 40 when he's 23 this season.
Then again, I genuinely do feel that Neymar might go down as a great as well.
Consistency is the key word here. We are in May now (not even half of year) and that's a good 5 months run for Neymar, but to me another 5-7 years of great run is completely different scenario (extremely rare) so we really need more time to judge on this.
Although he won the champions league, it´s one league win (with Mourinho) in all these seasons. Should have never left United. Don´t know if he´s that bothered though with the Ballons D´or and pichichi´s wins
I heard he donated €5 million for Albanian roads. Great person.
I couldn't stop laughing when I read it.
I couldn't stop laughing when I read it.
And neymar has done that without any pens as well. Add 10+ pens to neymar's goals this season and he's putting up cristiano's goal scoring numbers.
You make it sound like penalties are very easy to score... what happened last time Neymar took one?
The incredible thing is the consistency for me. That will be neymar's big challenge. Can he put up those numbers for 5-7 years. And improve his all round game.
Yeah but we have the benefit of hindsight. He did move to a team that eventually became better. And in his eyes, I think I think he's at the bigger club. But yes, at a united fan it does give me a tiny bit of pleasure knowing his most successful years as a football came with us and not Madrid.
I love that the new stick to put him down is that he is just a goal scorer these days, as if scoring 58 goals in a season is cakewalk
He scored.
I don't think it's a stick to beat a player with. Well for a few it might be. More importantly when you're comparing players or judging great players you have to take into account their overall contribution which is why it becomes relevant.
Didn't ronaldo miss his last penalty? Or has he taken one after Valencia?
Why do you always have to argue against one extreme with another? It's ludicrous to call him a one man team, particularly coming from a fan of a club who had the same bollocks said about Ronaldo in his team, but it's ridiculous to suggest he doesn't score incredible individual goals regularly too. He's been doing that season after season for 8 years now ffs. If you compare him to Messi then it perhaps doesn't look as impressive but that's your problem... you only see Ronaldo through the prism of the Messi-Ronaldo debate. That's really sad because he's an incredible player in his own right.
He isn't far ahead where it matters most:
I don't even think Neymar is a world class finisher yet. He misses plenty. Just last game:
Still has 37 goals in 41 games (without taking all penalties and freekicks) with lots of room for improvement at the age of 23. Think he'll manage to be another 1 goal per game player like Cristiano. The potential is easily there.
Agree.
I'm not sure why that would make anyone sick in the mouth. People are simply too invested in this.
This.
you're pretty invested mate! But in a harmless way so it's good
Absolutely
But I don't bother getting involved in the whole debate because it never stops or end well for that matter He isn't far ahead where it matters most:
I don't even think Neymar is a world class finisher yet. He misses plenty. Just last game:
Still has 37 goals in 41 games (without taking all penalties and freekicks) with lots of room for improvement at the age of 23. Think he'll manage to be another 1 goal per game player like Cristiano. The potential is easily there.
Well Neymar scored 31 goals in 43 games (league and CL) vs Ronaldo 55 goals in 46 games, and if we also add assists the difference would be double.
Not arguing his potential there, we all know he is the best young player around having a great season. But as I said, to do it consistently over 5-7 years is extremely rare (not even Brazilian Ronaldo, Ronaldinho or Rivaldo or any other player in past 20-30 years could manage that). So let's give it more time to judge.
He scored it. They are ridiculously easy to score, its a 12 yard 1 on 1 vs a stationary keeper, doesn't get easier than that.
It seems Pepe told Cristiano to be serious as they lost the League.
I'm not arguing about his numbers, no-one can argue with his numbers. But individually great goals from him a an extreme rarity for him in recently and people are starting to venture back towards this ridiculous argument where he does it all himself which is simply. Of course I indulge in a bit of wummery on the subject too like many do, it's a bit of fun, but in this case I'm deadly serious.
If you want to prove me wrong be my guest, otherwise you stick to your opinion and i'll stick to mine.
it's obviously an exaggeration for a bit of a comedy. Ironically missed because the ones who harp on about people taking it too seriously, took it too seriously.
Going at Ronaldo's current rate, should he dethrone Raul's record at Real, he could join us in January 2016 and be our all-time top scorer as well within 2 and a half years after that.
If Rooney picks up some goals, make that 3 full years.
If Rooney picks up some goals, make that 3 full years.
@Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber should know the answer to this one.
Always heard that roughly three in four pens are converted on average, let's put it to the test...
This season across the top-5 leagues 380 out of 493 penalties were scored, which translates to 77.1%
Premier League: 62/82 = 75.6%
La Liga: 83/106 = 78.3%
Serie A: 78/109 = 71.6%
Bundesliga: 57/70 = 81.4% (of course the Germans...)
Ligue 1: 100/126 = 79.4%
Players who took at least six penalties in the league,
- Cristiano: 9/11 = 81.8%
- Lacazette: 8/9 = 88.9%
- Ibrahimovic: 8/9 = 88.9%
- Menez: 8/8 = 100%
- Bacca: 6/8 = 75%
- Berardi: 6/7 = 85.7%
- Verhaegh: 6/7 = 85.7%
- Cazorla: 6/6 = 100%
- Messi: 5/6 = 83.3%
- Agüero: 5/6 = 83.3%
- Darida: 5/6 = 83.3%
- Higuaín: 3/6 = 50%
source: Whoscored.com
Seems about right.
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