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Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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I am not blaming Ronaldo for Real´s lack of silverware. The team is build around him for 6 years. He is their key player and everyone is playing for him. His team-mates are no slouches either. He bears some responsibility.
You can make the argument that Barca was simply to strong and that is partly true. Yet if you analyze why Barca is on another level, at least part of the answer is Messi (yes I know that this is not the only reason for their strength). Messi is regularly doing things, that Ronaldo hardly does at all since he plays for Madrid. He is running past people for fun, which is one of the most important attributes for an attacking player. Yes, Ronaldo is a decent dribbler himself (he was exceptional, while playing for us), but he doesn´t even come close to Messi´s ability to beat players in 1v1s.
Barca isn´t a one-men team at all, but they are still build around Messi and the little Argentine delivered most of the time regardless of the quality of the opposition. The same can´t be said about Ronaldo.
That has nothing to do with me not being Argentinian.
What you said made no sense. You don't have to be a rabid fanboy of one or the other, and not being one doesn't make you a hater of both.what?
It very well makes sense if you know history of posters who are desperate to come to this thread and post shit half way into the game. Their hate is too obvious to see. It is laughable when such people go on acting like they 'understand' football.
I am not blaming Ronaldo for Real´s lack of silverware. The team is build around him for 6 years. He is their key player and everyone is playing for him. His team-mates are no slouches either. He bears some responsibility.
You can make the argument that Barca was simply to strong and that is partly true. Yet if you analyze why Barca is on another level, at least part of the answer is Messi (yes I know that this is not the only reason for their strength). Messi is regularly doing things, that Ronaldo hardly does at all since he plays for Madrid. He is running past people for fun, which is one of the most important attributes for an attacking player. Yes, Ronaldo is a decent dribbler himself (he was exceptional, while playing for us), but he doesn´t even come close to Messi´s ability to beat players in 1v1s.
Barca isn´t a one-men team at all, but they are still build around Messi and the little Argentine delivered most of the time regardless of the quality of the opposition. The same can´t be said about Ronaldo.
That has nothing to do with me not being Argentinian.
Ronaldo is basically "done" and he's not the player he used to be, read somewhere in a Portuguese newspaper that Ronaldo doesn't practice free kicks for at least 2 years because of his knee problem and a Portuguese doctor told Ronaldo not to play the WC because he could get a bad injury on his knee. He needs to stop a few months like Messi did but he's stubborn as a donkey. Even RM and the coaches keep saying Ronaldo is okay but I don't believe because in first place he used to have 1 gazillion shots per game, only because he's older doesn't mean he cant shoot anymore, 2nd his free kicks sucks and last years was the same, 3rd he moved to the central position which he always hated because he will be at risk if someone tackles him when running the way he used too.
I hope he leaves Madrid this summer, I would really like to see a Madrid team without him scoring 50 goals a season. It is just so funny to see United and Liverpool fans putting down tap ins and goals against smaller teams, both teams would be challenging for the title if they had a player who could score so frequently against bottom half teams.
True enough, you could lose home and away to the other top 4, whoever they are this season, but win all your other games and you'd walk the league.
I am not blaming Ronaldo for Real´s lack of silverware. The team is build around him for 6 years. He is their key player and everyone is playing for him. His team-mates are no slouches either. He bears some responsibility.
You can make the argument that Barca was simply to strong and that is partly true. Yet if you analyze why Barca is on another level, at least part of the answer is Messi (yes I know that this is not the only reason for their strength). Messi is regularly doing things, that Ronaldo hardly does at all since he plays for Madrid. He is running past people for fun, which is one of the most important attributes for an attacking player. Yes, Ronaldo is a decent dribbler himself (he was exceptional, while playing for us), but he doesn´t even come close to Messi´s ability to beat players in 1v1s.
Barca isn´t a one-men team at all, but they are still build around Messi and the little Argentine delivered most of the time regardless of the quality of the opposition. The same can´t be said about Ronaldo.
That has nothing to do with me not being Argentinian.
Did you purposely ignore the stats I provided on the previous page. Madrid have scored more goals than the winners of the league in every season Ronaldo has been there. But have conceded atleast 10 more than the eventual winners each time. That clearly shows where the problem is. Last season if Madrid's defense concedes 3 fewer goals last season they straight up win the league and people talk about how ronaldo took madrid to the title and not how amazing MSN is. Ronaldo did his part mate.
It makes little sense to look at defense and offense on its own.
Not really ronaldo is the tip of madrid's attack why would he be involved in any real defensive discussion? But attacking wise he has been the main contributer to madrid being the top scorers every season. While defensively they always conceded the most out of their title rivals. Who do we blame that on? Well certainly not Ronaldo, if they defended as well as they attacked they'ed of won the league every year, thats not opinion thats statistical facts. They conceded 20 more goals last season than barca ffs. If they managed to only concede 5 less goals they win. You don't blame Ronaldo for that.
In fact if Real Madrid had conceded the same amount of goals as they did the year they actually won La liga they would of won it every year Ronaldo has been at the club. Thats how big a difference their defense makes.
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This current Real Madrid team is way too imbalanced, a typical result of their galactico policy. They are playing an attacking quartet of Ronaldo, Benzema, James and Bale. They can destroy smaller teams with ease but a top team will expose their midfield and defence frailties.
He should have tracked back more.
But why would people look back after 45 mins? Strange.
How the feck is it strange? People comment throughout matches.
Is fecking strange because you wanted people to look back at the half in a 5 min window from the moment you posted to when the second half started. Stop digging a bigger hole mate.
What?
That's like saying people who post during minute 15/20/28/whatever in a match thread are strange because no one will look at them a minute later. You're being way too defensive here, it's embarrassing.
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That's like saying people who post during minute 15/20/28/whatever in a match thread are strange because no one will look at them a minute later. You're being way too defensive here, it's embarrassing.
Nah, you know full well when you said 'people look back at this game, all they'll see is the goal' meant when people look at the game when it's finished they'll just see he scored a penalty.
Answer my question, why would people only look back at the first 45 mins of a game and draw conclusions about the entire game from there?
Honestly, are you a moron? I never said that. You're picking up on some implication that isn't there.
To spell it out to you - I was saying that was a typical Cristiano 45 minutes. Poor performance, 1 goal. Even looking at the entire 90 minutes and my point is the same, anyone who looks at the stats (2 goals) will say he's had a good game when he was poor bar 1 moment.
There's no 45/90 minutes differentiation made by me, that's all you.
It looks like a fairly simple sentence to understand in fairness
I remember a Fergie interview where he was asked about Ronaldo tracking back and he said he didnt want Ronaldo to track back at all, wanted him to stay high at all times.
I wish we had players with this kind of week in week out poor performance. Strange. Did you happen to mention why you thought his performance was poor?
I didn't, but since you asked - same reason most of his performances haven't been good this season. Not involved enough in the game, aside from a few wayward shots. Poor is probably harsh, but I expect more from players (especially someone of his level) than one great shot.
For what it's worth I criticised Benteke for the exact same thing today, it's not like I only do it with Cristiano like some think. To me a good performance isn't 1 moment in an otherwise quiet/average 90 minutes, it's about influencing the game throughout.
When did Messi "voluntarily" take a few months out ? Messi couldn't physically play with his knee injury that has just recently happened; if it was a twang but allowed him to play on, of course he would have continued playing, and not taken a few months out voluntarily.
I checked whoscored. Ronaldo had 2 goals, 8 shot attempts with 3 on target. 24 passes with an 83% success rate. 4 crosses, only 1 accurate. 2 dribbles, 1 offsides, dispossessed 3 times. What do you expect to see in a good performance?
That's pretty much the perfect summary of my argument: not involved aside from 1 great goal (plus a penalty) and a few wayward shots. Those are the stats of a player not very involved in the game. Out of the Madrid players who played 90 minutes, only Nacho had less minutes. Even Keylor Navas touched the ball more.
I just think you, as are all of us, are seeing the evolution of CR7 into a super-Chicharito poacher. I don't think we can judge Ronaldo based on past successes and performances anymore, I think now we have to start judging his statistics in a different context. Yeah the number of touches might be abysmal, but for a poacher those stats indicate a solid performance.
It seems many are doing their best to try and paint Ronaldo as a flat track bully.
True (though I think he's had these poacher performances for a while now) - the thing is I don't think a poacher can be ranked as highly as someone pulling the strings in a game. That's just personal preference, but probably explains a lot of the gap between how I rank his performances and how some others do.
Hmmm. Going back to whoscored again, Bale wound up being motm with 27 passes at 85% accuracy. Doesn't look much more involved. 8.74 rating tho'. I saw some of the game but wasn't paying that much attention. Did you think he was involved?
Messi got a 9.15 rating in his game -- 1 goal, 52 passes @ 67% success rate (35 successful, 17 given away ), 6 shots with 3 on target, 1 hit the crossbar, dispossessed once, bad control twice. I've always wondered if you can back out the algorithm they use -- doesn't seem like it. Suarez got a 9 rating with 2 goals, 21 passes with 71% accuracy, lost 3 balls.
I've always felt that since Ronaldo starting scoring so often, that people have started pooh-poohing scoring as meaning that much. Those 2 meaningless goals were the difference between winning and tying for RM.
Basically, Ronaldo is in need of a philosophy!
We can't say the same for our team though. I am not even sure that if you set United up to let Rooney (or Martial) score, if you could at all, we'd be scoring.
I think it's call 'put as many balls into the opponents net as possible'
A forward player and whose main task in team seems to be scoring, is not involved in each and everything shocker. As I said, people who think they 'understand' football needs to really 'understand' it.
Great goalscorer alright but there is nothing enjoyable about watching him play anymore. Benzema, James, Modric and even bloody Bale are more interesting on the ball. Goals are amazingly important but sometimes you wanna be entertained differently (great control, pass, dribble etc etc).
FFS he just scored 2 goals, with 1 being a great strike, the kind of goal any player would be proud of, and he was definitely one of better if not the best player on the pitch too. Yet I read 1 full page of complain on his 'poor' performance and 'poor' season again. Are people that much obsessed on him?
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