Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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46.7% of his goals in this season has come against 2 teams - Malmo and Espanyol.
 
You see my point. What constitutes a "dribble". This is just a stupid statistic. I bet Ronaldinho 'dribbles' the ball more than Messi and Neymar. What does it matter?
I don't see your point at all. Taking on a man is a dribble. It matters because dribbling is one of the best ways of breaking up defensive formations. The two best dribblers the game has seen are also two of the best ever players ever. The third in that echelon wasn't far behind.

You are tying yourself in to knots here. It's a simple and meaningful statistic.
 
Source?

Where can I find a breakdown of his goals?

He's currently on 30 goals in all comps for Real Madrid,

8 v Espanyol
6 v Malmö
5 v Shakhtar
2 v Rayo
2 v Real Sociedad
2 v Sporting Gijón
1 v Levante
1 v Celta
1 v Las Palmas
1 v Eibar
1 v Getafe

14/30 v Espanyol & Malmö = 46.7%
19/30 v Espanyol, Malmö & Shakhtar = 63.3%

Meaning nearly two-thirds of all his goals so far this season have come against only three teams.
 
Considering that he can still reach 50 goals this season, it's remarkable how even in decline he still has that strike rate.

The guy is done though, I don't think he's been the star in a big game for Madrid last 2 years. That CL title was possibly his last hurrah.
 
Those stats that he's scored most of his goals against 3 teams do not look good but most of them concern games under Benitez. If the trend contrinues under Zidane, then maybe Ronaldo is already over the hill. I think that he is going to have a very good spell under Zidane though. He's not finished, IMO.
 
Are there stats for RM's chances created against the bigger teams? I mean we pretty much all agree that his style is mostly that of a predator these days - did the team create much against the more difficult opposition?
 
I don't see your point at all. Taking on a man is a dribble. It matters because dribbling is one of the best
ways of breaking up defensive formations. The two best dribblers the game has seen are also two of the best ever players ever. The third in that echelon wasn't far behind.

You are tying yourself in to knots here. It's a simple and meaningful statistic.

If it was such a meaningful statistic we'd here more about it. It's being used here to just to catch the eye of the reader. Also, my point was simple - a dribble doesn't always mean you go past your man so labeling a play as a "dribble" or not can be subjective sometimes.

These statistics like "dribbles per minute" should best be contained to those Facebook posts of "like for Ronaldo". They're as stupid as that.
 
Wat? Successful dribbles is one of the most common statistics you will find. How does a successful dribble not mean you go past your man?

No one counts dribbles pr minute. But dribbles per 90 minutes is a frequent and significant metric.

You are just showing off your ignorance here. Don't be such a Donald trump.
 
The only way he's at Madrid next season is if their ban is enforced. If PSG offer anywhere near £80m, Perez will personally drive him to Paris.
 
Wat? Successful dribbles is one of the most common statistics you will find. How does a successful dribble not mean you go past your man?

No one counts dribbles pr minute. But dribbles per 90 minutes is a frequent and significant metric.

You are just showing off your ignorance here. Don't be such a Donald trump.

I have never seen "dribbles" mentioned alongside goals, assists or clean sheets.
 
Is there any player in football history, play in a big league, and still can score 50 goals a season when most see him on decline?
 
If it was such a meaningful statistic we'd here more about it. It's being used here to just to catch the eye of the reader. Also, my point was simple - a dribble doesn't always mean you go past your man so labeling a play as a "dribble" or not can be subjective sometimes.

These statistics like "dribbles per minute" should best be contained to those Facebook posts of "like for Ronaldo". They're as stupid as that.


WhoScored, which uses Opta data, defines a "(successful) dribble" as

Dribble (Successful Dribble)
- Taking on an opponent and successfully making it past them whilst retaining the ball


source: https://www.whoscored.com/Glossary

Now, what exactly constitutes "making it past [an opponent]" can still be open to some interpretation I guess (also unclear is whether going past multiple opponents in the same action counts as multiple dribbles or just one), but by and large it's relatively straightforward. Whether or not it's an oft-used metric I'll leave in the middle -- as it's an irrelevant question anyway.

For comparison with other players that you asked for in a previous post:

Let's take last season (ie. 2014/15), domestic league

player - attempted dribbles per 90 min - successful dribbles per 90 min - (success rate in %)

Robben - 7.5 - 5.0 - (67.6%) over 21 games
Hazard - 7.5 - 4.8 - (64.4%) over 38 games
Messi - 8.3 - 4.6 - (55.8%) over 38 games
Neymar - 7.0 - 3.6 - (51.7%) over 33 games
G. Bale - 4.1 - 2.3 - (55.1%) over 31 games
Cristiano - 3.2 - 1.6 - (48.7%) over 35 games


& Champions league

player - attempted dribbles per 90 min - successful dribbles per 90 min - (success rate in %)

Messi - 11.1 - 7.2 - (65.3%) over 13 games
Hazard - 9.5 - 7.2 - (75.8%) over 7 games
Neymar - 7.1 - 3.9 - (54.3%) over 12 games
G. Bale - 4.0 - 2.6 - (64.9%) over 10 games
Robben - 4.6 - 2.3 - (50.0%) over 7 games
Cristiano - 3.6 - 2.1 - (59.5%) over 12 games
 
I have never seen "dribbles" mentioned alongside goals, assists or clean sheets.

Christ, but you really are being deliberately thick. Do you think pass completion and forward passes says anything about the passing ability of a player? Do you think passing is a valuable ability for a player to have even though it is not an assist, goal or clean sheet?

Same for dribbling. Give your head a wobble.
 
Genuine question - has he scored a goal in tight or low scoring game this season, or against decent opponent? Don't shoot me, just curious.
 
Missed the last match, how did he do? Was it a good game or did he have another quiet night?

@SirAF
 
Is there any player in football history, play in a big league, and still can score 50 goals a season when most see him on decline?

"decline" seems to be one of those buzz words football fans love to feverishly overuse.

Surprised there's nothing on here about Ronaldo saying he's seeing his contract out, another 2 years there after this one.

Makes sense, it would have been awful us lashing out insane money bringing him back, and then risking ruining the memories of him utterly destroying the league.
Much better to create new memories.
 

I don't think there is anything remarkable about those stats. For example in his Madrid ones, he has scored about 56% of his goal against bottom half teams. That sounds about right given they will always be easier to score against. Higher percentage of goals when score is already 1+ also is not a surprise given his scoring records.

Is there a similar break down for Messi?
 
I don't think there is anything remarkable about those stats. For example in his Madrid ones, he has scored about 56% of his goal against bottom half teams. That sounds about right given they will always be easier to score against. Higher percentage of goals when score is already 1+ also is not a surprise given his scoring records.

Is there a similar break down for Messi?

I did one myself for one season in 12/13 for the top goal scorers in europe (just on the timing of their goals - tied/one behind, leading, leading by a big margin). There's a thread in the newbies for it - it worked out about the same for Messi and Ronaldo because of the sheer volume of goals they scored.

Some Barca fan PM'd me and apparently calculated it from 08/09 onwards for both (till the start of the 14/15 season ago) and it worked out about the same for both again.

Hi there,

I am from barcaforum.com and often browse Redcafe. I loved stats on the Ronaldo thread showing the percentage of 1s, 2nd and so on goals scored and the multipliers you used for each. Do you by any chance have data from other season? I would love to see the difference between Ronaldo and Messi from 2008/2009 on-wards.

Conor.

No worries mate, had a quick run through it myself. They came out identical with 70% each in the 3x and 2x. I used stats from 2009/2010 to present.

The real freaks were Van Persie and Bale for 12/13. Both of them scored a freakish amount of goals in game defining situations.
 
I did one myself for one season in 12/13 for the top goal scorers in europe (just on the timing of their goals - tied/one behind, leading, leading by a big margin). There's a thread in the newbies for it - it worked out about the same for Messi and Ronaldo because of the sheer volume of goals they scored.

Some Barca fan PM'd me and apparently calculated it from 09/10 onwards for both (till the start of the 14/15 season ago) and it worked out about the same for both again.





The real freaks were Van Persie and Bale for 12/13. Both of them scored a freakish amount of goals in game defining situations.

Messi seemingly does score more in tighter encounters so he may have a higher percentage there but otherwise they both play for teams that score truck loads so the percentage of goals score after 1+ will always be high for both.
 
I don't think there is anything remarkable about those stats. For example in his Madrid ones, he has scored about 56% of his goal against bottom half teams. That sounds about right given they will always be easier to score against. Higher percentage of goals when score is already 1+ also is not a surprise given his scoring records.

Is there a similar break down for Messi?

I don't know really, as I have not checked his stats properly. I saw this in internetz, and thought to share it here. Nothing more.. I saw once from Messi in past, don't think it was by same person.
 
I don't think there is anything remarkable about those stats. For example in his Madrid ones, he has scored about 56% of his goal against bottom half teams. That sounds about right given they will always be easier to score against. Higher percentage of goals when score is already 1+ also is not a surprise given his scoring records.

Is there a similar break down for Messi?

Would agree with that. Cristiano being a flat track bully is completely wrong over his Real Madrid career.

This year it's been true though, looking at his goal statistics on goals/games alone and there's nothing unusual but the fact is this time he's been a flat track bully. Only scored against a select number of crap teams, is scoring in much, much less games, scoring way more at home than away and generally performing poorly.
 
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