15 goals in the CL already. This guy doesn't know when to stop.
Most teams, including ours, don't have players who can score 16 goals in a 38 game league season
Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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All I'll say is that in 3 of the last 8 years, people who know a whole lot more about football than I do have voted him the best player in the World. (Messi won the other 5). Messi might be better a lot of the time but according to the pros it's only about 60:40. Almost the toss of a coin.
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CR07 is the best ever! Top scorer in CL! Even when Real is not the best team. Congratulations Cristiano!
Most teams, including ours, don't have players who can score 16 goals in a 38 game league season
In fact our leading goal scorer has 13G in 40 games (all comps... inc the shite ones, like the league cup and the Europa Lge)
I like this man attitude - just when everyone says he's finished this season, he goes on to become even better.
He will be useless here because LVG will be teaching him how to shoot.
His mental strength is always his biggest asset. Always looking to make himself better.
You can hate him for whatever stupid reason but you cannot deny he's a unique player in the history of the game. One who deserves a lot more respect for the ridiculous stats he pulls off season after season. From a mental POV, I think it is clear he's the strongest player in the world.
Ronaldo has 30 goals,more than any other in la liga. He has 11 assists,ranked third. But yeah, he is over the top. Messi has 22 goals and 10 assists but is somehow by far the superior player. Ultimately, for an attacker, scoring and creating goals is the most important part. Impressed by Suarez' stats though!
Somebody bring him back 
I'd like to see Ronaldo playing with Neymar, Suarez and Iniesta. Creatively wise, they are much better than the other Madrid players. I'm fairly certain that a trio of Ronaldo, Suarez and Neymar would be better than a trio of Messi, Benzema and Bale. Messi is the better player but he's had the privilege to play with better players as well.
I am only on 25 but he is the best I have ever seen play for us. I will always love him for that, despite his vanity.
He put in a massive shift for Madrid last night as well, he was hunting the ball like a maniac.
To be fair many knew he was something special. But Yeah not many could have forseen that.
Even LvG would not be able to stop him, that said, LvG is soon a small part of our great history.
Doubt it. Benzema's selfless play and Bale's wingplay are what Ronaldo needs on the pitch. Suarez and Neymar occupies the same position as him. It would be a complete disaster.
This.
Why is it so difficult for some of you lot to discuss Ronaldo without bringing Messi into it every single time?
I always said he'd be the best player in the world, I just didn't expect him to reach these levels of goal scoring abilities.
Somebody bring him back
Put him on a plane, bring him back from Spain. Viva Ronaldo!!
Selflless play? Suarez creates more chances tan Benzema and Neymar creates more chances than Bale. Both Suarez and Neymar are more creative players than Benz and Bale. Suarez plays Benzema's role. Ronaldo could play on the right, Neymar on the left and Suarez in the middle as a CF. They can interchange positions, of course. It would work quite well, IMO. Neymar would be more of a playmaker from the left in such a formation, just like Ronaldinho in his pomp.
I think it is actually quite difficult because you can't talk about one without thinking about the other. It's their intense rivary and desire to exceed the other which have made this "era" of football so much fun to watch. I will always have a softspot for CR7 but can't help but admit Messi is simply a more talented player. That said, that doesn't diminish CR7's achievements in any way. He was and remains an amazing player who managed to remain at his peak for so long.
And to score a hat-trick and essentially dragging his side to victory. Wow.
That's the thing. Imagine if there's no Messi, Ronaldo would have totally dominate the world football in this era, sweeping every awards and break every records by himself, winning 7 or 8 Ballon D'Or along the way at the very least, and in an unprecedented way. People would be arguing whether he is above Pele and Maradona in the GOAT.
If only Messi wasn't born and playing in this era.
I very rarely watch Barcelona as I'm not too fond so perhaps Messi's brilliance is something I've just not witnessed but I fail to see how anyone can be significantly better than Ronaldo.
Anyway, what I actually came to say was any hope I had of him returning is gone now. Our sorry state means it's just not possible, he'd be a romantic fool to rejoin us.
Anyway, what I actually came to say was any hope I had of him returning is gone now. Our sorry state means it's just not possible, he'd be a romantic fool to rejoin us.
Seems like you can't even mention him once in this thread then, can you? Suarez, Neymar and others are mentioned plenty of times on the last couple of pages but when it's Messi it's a no-go? I know there is a seperate thread for the whole (pointless) Messi vs Ronaldo debate but if someone calls him the greatest of all time, I don't see much wrong with someone replying that he isn't and stating his opinion by saying Messi is, without turning it into another Messi vs Ronaldo thing.
Huh? If you watch the games theres very few times they play for Ronaldo, in fact a criticism of Benzema this season has been his selfishness in moments when he clearly should have passed to Ronaldo.
Experience shows us otherwise. There's a reason the previous versions of these threads had to be binned and the OP of the new ones so clear - it's because the people who engage in these threads are not normal people and can't be trusted to act as such.
Why? What's the point in being the best in non-competative era? Messi being that good pushes Cristiano to the greater heights than he would accomplish if there wasn't anyone near him in terms of goals. He's challenged by Messi and that's what constantly drives him forward (and being petty about his looks) and it's great for football, to have two such a brilliant players who are trying to outdo one another. It goes other way too, Messi knows he's better than anyone including Cristiano, but if there wasn't Cristiano he would't push himself that hard, he also strives from competition.
It's bit childish to say if only Messi wasn't born and playing in this era when that's excatly what makes eveything so interesting!
Fair enough.What makes MSN so good is because they have Messi in deeper positions and he gives Suarez and Neymar the space to play their game in the final third. If Messi were to replace Ronaldo at Real Madrid, there's a very high chance that both Benzema and Bale's goal output would be higher.
The Ronaldo, Suarez and Neymar trio would be similar to Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez IMO. Two players sacrificing their game for Ronaldo. You can't have attacking players making the same runs in a game.
Obviously Ronaldo would have gone down as the best player of this generation, but you can also make that argument for others, like if Beckenbauer was never born, Cruyff would have a World Cup win and would surely be rated even higher. If Maradona was never born, Platini's reputation wouldn't have fallen from being in contention for the greatest of all time to just 2nd best to someone else in his own era.
I'd argue that Messi and Ronaldo massively benefited from each other, pushed each other to higher individual peaks and allowed the media to go crazy with that rivalry in a never before seen way. It doesn't even matter who of the two is rated higher, they clearly helped each other's reputation.
And it's unlikely that Real with Ronaldo would have dominated Europe. Even though Barca pushed Real to raise their level (who knows if that had happened without Barca's superiority), Real with Ronaldo still came short against a variety of teams (they went out in the CL against Lyon, Bayern, Dortmund and Juve and only once to Barca). They finished once behind Atletico in the league now and might do again this season. Even without Messi, it's very likely that Barca would have had a sensational team around Xavi and Iniesta that would have won trophies. The new Ballon d'Or award is heavily influenced by that Messi - Ronaldo rivalry and it's not unreasonable to think that without Messi other players (Xavi or Sneijder in 2010, Iniesta in 2012, Ribery in 2013) would have won a Ballon d'Or just to balance things out and reward their achievements, like it has always been throughout the history of the award.
It's all speculation anyway, but the idea that Ronaldo would have dominated world football without Messi seems really far-fetched. Dominating football is still about leading your teams to dominance. I don't see any signs that this would have happened.
Let's not take it seriously though. It was just meant to just give a fair overview on Ronaldo standing in football world, rather than keep bringing up Messi name while diminishing his actual standing, which I feel is becoming an unhealthy trend here.
People have died over the Messi - Ronaldo debate.
The presupposition of your point is that Messi makes the other forwards in his team better whereas Ronaldo makes his team-mates worse because they sacrifice their game for him. I think that's a very dubious presupposition. Messi doesn't make Aguero, Higuain, AdM and other Argentinian forwards better, not at all. I'd say that Neymar's best period this season was when Messi was out. His productivity was way higher without Messi in the team. In a sense, Neymar's game suffers from Messi's presence because it is more restricted with Messi being the main man in attack.
You can't compare Rooney and Tevez to Neymar and Suarez because the difference in class is significant. United were excellent with those three, imagine how good out attack would have been with Ronaldo, Suarez and Neymar! It would have been on a wholly different level.
I don't disagree with that. But you need to think of the matter in another way: even with CR7 competing with Messi, the majority of people are still debating whether Messi is the GOAT. Not so much with CR7. My view is that CR7 should be in the discussion though but probably should settle at being in the top 5 of all time? Maybe that's for another thread.
Absolutely agree. They simply have made each other better b/c of their rivalry.
Thought I'd risk it. Scan the page...
Messi Messi Messi.........
Predictable wankers.
Messi Messi Messi.........
Predictable wankers.
Seems like only yesterday he was coming on as a sub and showing the world what we had coming. Can't believe he's 30 already! Fantastic player and for me the best player to ever play the game.
Speaking of that, I haven't seen Snake Plissken around in quite a while?
He seems to get under-rated in this thread because he arguably isn't as good as Messi.
He's the best player Europe has ever produced.
He's the best player Europe has ever produced.
I think that's a lot to do with sour grapes on one side and fanboy issues on the other. This tends to lead to name calling or my dad's bigger than your dad type rhetoric as opposed to rational debate.
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