Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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It's a bit of a non-event really. They're playing that piggy-in-the-middle game and the circle is getting bigger - Ron's moaning, variations on "come on, we're only warming up, give me a pass, play nice." and when they don't, he starts taking it more seriously and diving in on the ball.

The reporters are basically debating how he's a bit highly strung at the moment :smirk: going from smiling and joking one minute to tense and anxious the next. It's just speculation about him feeling under pressure because of his poor start to the season etc.
 
Putting the ball into the back of the net is actually the best and most valueable talent a player can have though.

Also in ronaldo case, we do know that he has have more than that. FFS he played for us for 6 years. It is not like we are just commenting on some random good players.
He is now completely different player though. He developed in some areas (mostly goalscoring with any part of his body), but also significantly detoriated in others.

Personally I don't think that he's fit or that he's a knock away from a long injury. He doesn't want to get anywhere close to a situation where he can get tackled and he rarely sprints unless there's a goal at the end of it. When he's got the ball he tries to pass it as soon as possible.
Yep, I've seen that in a few games. He rarely tries to pass forward, even when found in deep position, he just pings the ball back.
 
You did not respond to any point that I made. My post was clear and did not even take sides. I specifically wrote that how good he is dependent on the criteria you set. I also specifically made the point that when talking about controlling games, I was comparing him to the elite of the elite, not the "normal" good players which if you argue with is pretty weird. You are speaking like a typical fanboy and if your next response is more fanboy anger and emotional instability, I am not interested.


Wait you serious??

[QUOTE="Theonas, post: 19860248, , they had a clear authority on the games they played at as they went deeper and made more touches, passes, etc. They also influenced major games; European finals, World Cup finals, CL finals and so on. Ronaldo is different, his greatness stems from pure numbers. You watch him and you don't feel he is a constant threat, you do know that all he needs is a chance and that he can win a game out of nowhere but that leaves a lot of people cold and detached to his exploits. The fact that he also does not really have that seminal performance, that people will remember years from now as a show stopper (Zidane vs Brazil, Messi vs Bayern, Ronaldo vs Germany, Maradona a bunch of times) can also explain the relative coldness with which he is viewed.[/QUOTE]

It is you that didn't answer my counter points to your claim that Ronaldo is a different kind of world class player and phony reasons why. Please if you hate the guy then just say it. Instead of belittling me because you can't argue my points.

Ronaldo dominated small teams consistently.
Ronaldo has scored in various cup games
Ronaldo has been the difference maker in big games and Tournements.
Ronaldo has standout performances throughout his career.

Just like every player you mentioned.

Ronaldo haters should get their own thread. Seriously.
 
His thing in Europe is to not call anything at all. Players get away with a lot when he's reffing.
Crazy how they keep rewarding him with big games because he's afraid of making correct decisions.
 
It is you that didn't answer my counter points to your claim that Ronaldo is a different kind of world class player and phony reasons why. Please if you hate the guy then just say it. Instead of belittling me because you can't argue my points.

Ronaldo dominated small teams consistently.
Ronaldo has scored in various cup games
Ronaldo has been the difference maker in big games and Tournements.
Ronaldo has standout performances throughout his career.

Just like every player you mentioned.

Ronaldo haters should get their own thread. Seriously.
Again, you are talking like a fanboy and no you did not respond to anything. You kept blathering about his strengths without addressing the criticism.

Ronaldo dominated small teams consistently: Yes of course he did, who said otherwise? Depending on what does one mean by dominance of course but according to most definitions, scoring braces and hatricks on such a regular basis qualifies.

Ronaldo has scored in various cup games: Who argued that he didn't score? The argument was that he did not define a final the way Brazilian Ronaldo did in 2002 or Zidane in 1998. Where is the Ronaldo performance that can be considered on the same level as Maradona vs England? Zidane vs Brazil in 2006, Messi vs Bayern, Iniesta vs Italy in the Euros? Do I really need to remind you that scoring the 4th goal in a 4/1 is not exactly dominating a game? Or that scoring the opener in a tight even 1/1 draw is not domination? The most dominant performances I remember from Ronaldo is against Sweden in that World Cup playoff when he took his team single handedly to the finals having scored 3 goals in such a tense game. We can add his hatrick against Wolfsburg last year that qualified them. Again of course that is better than most mortals and is it really on the same level or calibre as the aforementioned players?

Ronaldo has been the difference maker in big games and Tournaments: Difference is a relative term. For the umpteenth time, I am not comparing Ronaldo to bloody Rooney here! I am comparing him to the elite of the elite and no, Ronaldo did not define a tournament to that level. The most authority he had over a tournament was our Premier League win in 2008 and 2009. Our CL win was based more on defensive solidity than anything else. Real's CL final in 2014 had Di Maria, Ramos and even Bale stand out more than him, the semis vs Bayern were finished after Ramos's brace. The CL win last season had him struggling with injury in the semis and the final having admittedly taken them there vs the mighty Wolfsburg in the quarters.

Ronaldo has standout performances throughout his career: Of course he was. That is why he is rightly considered one of the best players ever. We are not discussing if he is a standout or not. One has to be a moron not to see that. We are discussing what made him a stand out and the argument I made is that the qualities that made him a standout are different to the norm. We usually remember players because of big moments in big games. Zidane was for example highly inconsistent but you think of him and the image of that winning volley in the CL final is unforgettable. The way he made Brazil dance to his tune in 2006 is still one of the best showings from a midfielder ever. We can say the same about Maradona, Cruyff, Fat Ronaldo and Messi. Ronaldo does not have a moment or a game that compare to some of the ones those guys produced.

The other argument I made is that he plays higher up and closer to goal more than the norm of those players. I am not even sure I need to defend this argument as it is more of a fact than opinion. He DOES stay away from the build up and stations himself higher up than most of those guys. This obviously leads to less influence on the games. How is that difficult to understand seriously? I did not even argue that this made him inferior as I clearly said that depends on the criteria. If the criteria is deciding the biggest games, Ronaldo isn't one of the very best. If the criteria is being the driving force of a game THROUGHOUT it, again, he isn't. If the criteria is scoring goals and consistency during an entire season, he is unbeatable.

Finally, please stop with the Ronaldo haters nonsense. Not all of us are teenagers who can only have views from an emotional point of view. It is actually possible to try and form an objective opinion when you are not a fanboy. You can disagree with it and think it's unfair but you don't have to attribute any disagreement to some form of hate or bitterness. You come off really very insecure.
 
Again, you are talking like a fanboy and no you did not respond to anything. You kept blathering about his strengths without addressing the criticism.

Ronaldo dominated small teams consistently: Yes of course he did, who said otherwise? Depending on what does one mean by dominance of course but according to most definitions, scoring braces and hatricks on such a regular basis qualifies.

Ronaldo has scored in various cup games: Who argued that he didn't score? The argument was that he did not define a final the way Brazilian Ronaldo did in 2002 or Zidane in 1998. Where is the Ronaldo performance that can be considered on the same level as Maradona vs England? Zidane vs Brazil in 2006, Messi vs Bayern, Iniesta vs Italy in the Euros? Do I really need to remind you that scoring the 4th goal in a 4/1 is not exactly dominating a game? Or that scoring the opener in a tight even 1/1 draw is not domination? The most dominant performances I remember from Ronaldo is against Sweden in that World Cup playoff when he took his team single handedly to the finals having scored 3 goals in such a tense game. We can add his hatrick against Wolfsburg last year that qualified them. Again of course that is better than most mortals and is it really on the same level or calibre as the aforementioned players?

Ronaldo has been the difference maker in big games and Tournaments: Difference is a relative term. For the umpteenth time, I am not comparing Ronaldo to bloody Rooney here! I am comparing him to the elite of the elite and no, Ronaldo did not define a tournament to that level. The most authority he had over a tournament was our Premier League win in 2008 and 2009. Our CL win was based more on defensive solidity than anything else. Real's CL final in 2014 had Di Maria, Ramos and even Bale stand out more than him, the semis vs Bayern were finished after Ramos's brace. The CL win last season had him struggling with injury in the semis and the final having admittedly taken them there vs the mighty Wolfsburg in the quarters.

Ronaldo has standout performances throughout his career: Of course he was. That is why he is rightly considered one of the best players ever. We are not discussing if he is a standout or not. One has to be a moron not to see that. We are discussing what made him a stand out and the argument I made is that the qualities that made him a standout are different to the norm. We usually remember players because of big moments in big games. Zidane was for example highly inconsistent but you think of him and the image of that winning volley in the CL final is unforgettable. The way he made Brazil dance to his tune in 2006 is still one of the best showings from a midfielder ever. We can say the same about Maradona, Cruyff, Fat Ronaldo and Messi. Ronaldo does not have a moment or a game that compare to some of the ones those guys produced.

The other argument I made is that he plays higher up and closer to goal more than the norm of those players. I am not even sure I need to defend this argument as it is more of a fact than opinion. He DOES stay away from the build up and stations himself higher up than most of those guys. This obviously leads to less influence on the games. How is that difficult to understand seriously? I did not even argue that this made him inferior as I clearly said that depends on the criteria. If the criteria is deciding the biggest games, Ronaldo isn't one of the very best. If the criteria is being the driving force of a game THROUGHOUT it, again, he isn't. If the criteria is scoring goals and consistency during an entire season, he is unbeatable.

Finally, please stop with the Ronaldo haters nonsense. Not all of us are teenagers who can only have views from an emotional point of view. It is actually possible to try and form an objective opinion when you are not a fanboy. You can disagree with it and think it's unfair but you don't have to attribute any disagreement to some form of hate or bitterness. You come off really very insecure.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I could just leave those smilies there to respond to your post but don't worry I will reply. Firstly, your writing/debating style is absolutely awful bro, though i think it's intentional. You cover your toxicity and condescending attitude behind your grammar, I only have one post left for the day but even if i didn't i probably wouldn't reply to you again. You call me a fanboy then tell me I'm insecure for calling you a Ronaldo hater(as they all call anyone remotely praising the man a fanboi), all the grammar in the world will not stop you from revealing your age.

You talk about dominate performances then you name Ronaldo V Sweden, you did my job for me. Ronaldo V Arsenal deserves a mention too in a CL semi final. "is it on the same calibre", thats your fabled "its all relative" phrase there ain't it?

The consistency of Ronaldo to have many standout performances over a season let alone his career is something that none of the other footballers bar Messi possesses/Possessed this. Ronaldo's stunner against Porto, His Title changing goal last minute V fulham in 2006, Portsmouth Freekick, The goal against Villareal for Madrid, I dont know, Ronaldo has a lot of spectacturlar goals.

Now as a disclaimer Ronaldo is not in his peak form anymore, instead of Changing his game as a creator he has changed his game to revolve around his finishing, he does not get in the build up(was evidenced last season as well) because he himself realises he can not do what he used to anymore. I have no arguement about that because its fact yes. What is not fact that he is a "different" world class player to the likes of Zidane and co. He's right up there with them.
 
What I'd give to have player at United that can score 50+ goals constantly in the last 6 seasons. And some still don't want him here.
 
And yet, people still think he is the second best player in the world.

2015-16 La liga: 35 goals on 227 shots. 6pks.. 31 goals on 221 shots: 14 conversion
2014: 48 goals on 225 shots. 10 pks 38g/ 215 shots: 18 percent
2013: 31 goals on 216 shots. 6pks 25goals/210 shots 12 percent

Euros 2016: 3 goals/ 46 shots: 7 percent
Wc 2014: 1 goal/ 24 shots: 4 percent

And than how many were tap ins? Ronnie is a high volume goal scorer. I won't take anything away from his aerial ability, because he is world class in that department, however, in other aspects I do not see how he is rated so highly. Outside of his aerial ability and shooting power.

Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Bale > Cristiano
 
Again, you are talking like a fanboy and no you did not respond to anything. You kept blathering about his strengths without addressing the criticism.

Ronaldo dominated small teams consistently: Yes of course he did, who said otherwise? Depending on what does one mean by dominance of course but according to most definitions, scoring braces and hatricks on such a regular basis qualifies.

Ronaldo has scored in various cup games: Who argued that he didn't score? The argument was that he did not define a final the way Brazilian Ronaldo did in 2002 or Zidane in 1998. Where is the Ronaldo performance that can be considered on the same level as Maradona vs England? Zidane vs Brazil in 2006, Messi vs Bayern, Iniesta vs Italy in the Euros? Do I really need to remind you that scoring the 4th goal in a 4/1 is not exactly dominating a game? Or that scoring the opener in a tight even 1/1 draw is not domination? The most dominant performances I remember from Ronaldo is against Sweden in that World Cup playoff when he took his team single handedly to the finals having scored 3 goals in such a tense game. We can add his hatrick against Wolfsburg last year that qualified them. Again of course that is better than most mortals and is it really on the same level or calibre as the aforementioned players? For every Zidane V Brazil in '06, there is a Zidane V Italy in '06 (the final that he blew big time). For every Ronaldo in the final '02 there is a Ronaldo in the final '98 (never turned up). For every Maradona v England '86 there is a Maradona V United (CWC Final never existed). You can't just pick and choose scenarios to compliment your opinion. Nobody has perfect games and the three big icons you have mentioned never turned up in some of the biggest games of their career, at least the top 5. Ronaldo has destroyed countless teams over the years, to ignore that is ignorant.

Ronaldo has been the difference maker in big games and Tournaments: Difference is a relative term. For the umpteenth time, I am not comparing Ronaldo to bloody Rooney here! I am comparing him to the elite of the elite and no, Ronaldo did not define a tournament to that level. The most authority he had over a tournament was our Premier League win in 2008 and 2009. Our CL win was based more on defensive solidity than anything else. Real's CL final in 2014 had Di Maria, Ramos and even Bale stand out more than him, the semis vs Bayern were finished after Ramos's brace. The CL win last season had him struggling with injury in the semis and the final having admittedly taken them there vs the mighty Wolfsburg in the quarters. For every trophy Ronaldo has won, he has been pivotal throughout the competition. At (17/18) he destroyed Millwall in the FA Cup Final, whilst overshadowing seasoned pro's like Keane, RVN and Giggs. He has done it throughout his career.

Ronaldo has standout performances throughout his career: Of course he was. That is why he is rightly considered one of the best players ever. We are not discussing if he is a standout or not. One has to be a moron not to see that. We are discussing what made him a stand out and the argument I made is that the qualities that made him a standout are different to the norm. We usually remember players because of big moments in big games. Zidane was for example highly inconsistent but you think of him and the image of that winning volley in the CL final is unforgettable. The way he made Brazil dance to his tune in 2006 is still one of the best showings from a midfielder ever. We can say the same about Maradona, Cruyff, Fat Ronaldo and Messi. Ronaldo does not have a moment or a game that compare to some of the ones those guys produced. An ageing and poor Brazil side, he bottled it in the final against Italy, the fact that you bring Zidane in '06 against Brazil when he was 2 games away from retirement shows me he had little influence in his illustrious career. Zidane is over-rated massively on these forums, he was a top 3 midfielder in the world at his peak. Arguably not even the best midfielder of his generation...

The other argument I made is that he plays higher up and closer to goal more than the norm of those players. I am not even sure I need to defend this argument as it is more of a fact than opinion. He DOES stay away from the build up and stations himself higher up than most of those guys. This obviously leads to less influence on the games. How is that difficult to understand seriously? I did not even argue that this made him inferior as I clearly said that depends on the criteria. If the criteria is deciding the biggest games, Ronaldo isn't one of the very best. If the criteria is being the driving force of a game THROUGHOUT it, again, he isn't. If the criteria is scoring goals and consistency during an entire season, he is unbeatable.

Finally, please stop with the Ronaldo haters nonsense. Not all of us are teenagers who can only have views from an emotional point of view. It is actually possible to try and form an objective opinion when you are not a fanboy. You can disagree with it and think it's unfair but you don't have to attribute any disagreement to some form of hate or bitterness. You come off really very insecure.


Responses in Red, had to reply some utter tosh being spouted.
 
It's a bit of a non-event really. They're playing that piggy-in-the-middle game and the circle is getting bigger - Ron's moaning, variations on "come on, we're only warming up, give me a pass, play nice." and when they don't, he starts taking it more seriously and diving in on the ball.

The reporters are basically debating how he's a bit highly strung at the moment :smirk: going from smiling and joking one minute to tense and anxious the next. It's just speculation about him feeling under pressure because of his poor start to the season etc.

Thank you..

Although to be honest, I don't think that sounds like a non-event. It seems he is losing it a bit.
 
Also was reported to have uttered something along the lines of "I shit all over his whore of a mother." Obviously, Zidane being the son of a whore in question.


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He's an all time great allright but you'd find very few fans of any club in the world who'd rather have him over Messi in their teams. So as far as GOAT topics go, he'll go down as among the greats but definitely not the best for me. He's not even the best of his generation.
 
Responses in Red, had to reply some utter tosh being spouted.
For every Zidane V Brazil in '06, there is a Zidane V Italy in '06 (the final that he blew big time). For every Ronaldo in the final '02 there is a Ronaldo in the final '98 (never turned up). For every Maradona v England '86 there is a Maradona V United (CWC Final never existed). You can't just pick and choose scenarios to compliment your opinion. Nobody has perfect games and the three big icons you have mentioned never turned up in some of the biggest games of their career, at least the top 5. Ronaldo has destroyed countless teams over the years, to ignore that is ignorant.
Just how difficult is it to understand the difference between the following arguments; player X had a couple of defining performances and player X always stood out in the biggest games? I made the first argument but I never made the latter so why are you responding to something that has not been said? Is your brain that binary? You can only understand two extremes. Zidane can either influence every single final he played in or none? And who on earth ignored the fact that Ronaldo destroyed countless teams? I in fact wrote specifically how his consistency throughout a season is unbeatable? So again what are you responding to? I refuse to believe that you are this incapable of reading simple English.

For every trophy Ronaldo has won, he has been pivotal throughout the competition. At (17/18) he destroyed Millwall in the FA Cup Final, whilst overshadowing seasoned pro's like Keane, RVN and Giggs. He has done it throughout his career.
Again why are you repeating to me things I have already said? I wrote that he influenced games, several in fact. What I argued is when compared to the elite of the elite, the calibre of those games is not the same. Unless you genuinely believe that Millwall in an FA Cup final compared to the examples I have given, what is your exact argument here? Seriously man did you even read anything I have actually written?

An ageing and poor Brazil side, he bottled it in the final against Italy, the fact that you bring Zidane in '06 against Brazil when he was 2 games away from retirement shows me he had little influence in his illustrious career. Zidane is over-rated massively on these forums, he was a top 3 midfielder in the world at his peak. Arguably not even the best midfielder of his generation...
Not many will argue that Zidane had a brilliant performance vs Italy but again I am not sure why you are bringing this up. I am beginning to wonder if you mistook me for someone who argued that Zidane et all have dominated every big game they have ever played in because again I refuse to believe that you actually deducted that from what I actually wrote. In the second part of this sentence, you seem to suggest that the timing of a performance says something about what happened before it or after it? I am trying to understand here but it simply seems like you're having a problem about a player who you perceive to be overrated. I do think that Zidane was very inconsistent throughout a season, he went awol for large parts of each season for Juventus and Real Madrid so I do agree that if one values consistency as a main criteria, Zidane scores low points. His ability to define big games with moments of genius that will be forever remember is however only second to maybe Maradona. Again if you happen to think that this criteria is not very impressive, of course that is a valid opinion but please, read carefully before you respond.
 
I gotta say I agree with most of the things Theonas says.

Ronaldo has made very conscious decisions to steer clear from build up play and concentrate mainly on scoring. He has all the tools to influence more of the game, if he didn't choose to do that imo and that's bit of a 'sore' point for me when rating Ronaldo's efforts and general play.

Bezenma and Bale would instantly become more dangerous and invovled if they were on the end of Ronaldo's passing, crossing and off the ball moment. That doesn't happen enough and they are basically outstanding talents playing in this Madrid-hybrid-Ronaldo team and adapting around and in it; they're a team but far from the strongest one in terms of chemistry, although Zidane is doing his very best to better it.
 
The last performance of his that I remember him being really creative and actually looking like by far the best player on the pitch was the game v Liverpool in the champions league at Anfield.
 
For every Zidane V Brazil in '06, there is a Zidane V Italy in '06 (the final that he blew big time). For every Ronaldo in the final '02 there is a Ronaldo in the final '98 (never turned up). For every Maradona v England '86 there is a Maradona V United (CWC Final never existed). You can't just pick and choose scenarios to compliment your opinion. Nobody has perfect games and the three big icons you have mentioned never turned up in some of the biggest games of their career, at least the top 5. Ronaldo has destroyed countless teams over the years, to ignore that is ignorant.
Just how difficult is it to understand the difference between the following arguments; player X had a couple of defining performances and player X always stood out in the biggest games? I made the first argument but I never made the latter so why are you responding to something that has not been said? Is your brain that binary? You can only understand two extremes. Zidane can either influence every single final he played in or none? And who on earth ignored the fact that Ronaldo destroyed countless teams? I in fact wrote specifically how his consistency throughout a season is unbeatable? So again what are you responding to? I refuse to believe that you are this incapable of reading simple English.

For every trophy Ronaldo has won, he has been pivotal throughout the competition. At (17/18) he destroyed Millwall in the FA Cup Final, whilst overshadowing seasoned pro's like Keane, RVN and Giggs. He has done it throughout his career.
Again why are you repeating to me things I have already said? I wrote that he influenced games, several in fact. What I argued is when compared to the elite of the elite, the calibre of those games is not the same. Unless you genuinely believe that Millwall in an FA Cup final compared to the examples I have given, what is your exact argument here? Seriously man did you even read anything I have actually written?

An ageing and poor Brazil side, he bottled it in the final against Italy, the fact that you bring Zidane in '06 against Brazil when he was 2 games away from retirement shows me he had little influence in his illustrious career. Zidane is over-rated massively on these forums, he was a top 3 midfielder in the world at his peak. Arguably not even the best midfielder of his generation...
Not many will argue that Zidane had a brilliant performance vs Italy but again I am not sure why you are bringing this up. I am beginning to wonder if you mistook me for someone who argued that Zidane et all have dominated every big game they have ever played in because again I refuse to believe that you actually deducted that from what I actually wrote. In the second part of this sentence, you seem to suggest that the timing of a performance says something about what happened before it or after it? I am trying to understand here but it simply seems like you're having a problem about a player who you perceive to be overrated. I do think that Zidane was very inconsistent throughout a season, he went awol for large parts of each season for Juventus and Real Madrid so I do agree that if one values consistency as a main criteria, Zidane scores low points. His ability to define big games with moments of genius that will be forever remember is however only second to maybe Maradona. Again if you happen to think that this criteria is not very impressive, of course that is a valid opinion but please, read carefully before you respond.

100% with Shinji - don't understand for the life of me how anyone who has watched football for the last decade or so can think some of the above.

Ronaldo (Portuguese) is unarguably one of the best of his generation - and it's a toss up between him and Messi - and arguably one of the best of all time.

Clearing up original points:
Ronaldo dominated small teams consistently: Yes he did (as do most world class players)
Ronaldo has scored in various cup games: Yes he has (CL finals, Euros - if he has played in it he has scored in it)
Ronaldo has been the difference maker in big games and Tournaments: Unless you have been living under a rock you can see this is the case. He has literally won everything he could win bar the Word Cup. Generally performs and generally scores.
Ronaldo has standout performances throughout his career: Pretty much since 17 years old... and even now, past his peak, he is a great player.
 
I see a lot of myths in this thread. He's still a fantastic footballer, but it's quite obvious who don't watch him play weekly.

Ronaldo is in fact a very very good passer as well which no one hardly talks about.
Ronaldo has a lot of strengths, but passing is not one of them. He usually keeps it as simple as possible.


He is an extremely talented footballer, his pace, dribbling, crossing and movement are always top class
Not anymore. He's still good at it when he bothers, but hardly puts effort into his take-ons these days.

For Madrid he's scored in 2 CL finals.
So context is irrelevant?
 
I see a lot of myths in this thread. He's still a fantastic footballer, but it's quite obvious who don't watch him play weekly.


Ronaldo has a lot of strengths, but passing is not one of them. He usually keeps it as simple as post.

Eh, keeping it as simple as possible and hit the target in 3rd phrase of the attacking play is what you need as attackers.
 
Then why praise his passing? It's not a strength of his.

It is when he can do it consistently AND with the right execution. He's not the most creative or has the most ability but his passing in those dangerous areas are very effective.

His first touch and ball passing/striking technique (especially when he leans waaay back and hits the ball flat) for crosses and one-twos are really good. The problem is, he doesn't put enough effort or doesn't put himself in those situations enough.
 
It is when he can do it consistently AND with the right execution. He's not the most creative or has the most ability but his passing in those dangerous areas are very effective.

His first touch and ball passing/striking technique (especially when he leans waaay back and hits the ball flat) for crosses and one-twos are really good. The problem is, he doesn't put enough effort or doesn't put himself in those situations enough.
This. Can't believe I have to explain it more than that.
 
It is when he can do it consistently AND with the right execution. He's not the most creative or has the most ability but his passing in those dangerous areas are very effective.

His first touch and ball passing/striking technique (especially when he leans waaay back and hits the ball flat) for crosses and one-twos are really good. The problem is, he doesn't put enough effort or doesn't put himself in those situations enough.
Ronaldo's ball handling, link up play and decision making are often problematic. He commits a lot of unnecessary turnovers because of that, and it can be quite frustrating to watch him when he has a bad day. He doesn't even always keep it simple, everyone who watches him on a day-to-day basis knows his pointless backheel flips, that are either completely ineffective or end in losing possession.

One the other hand, he can indeed play marvelous passes, especially in dynamic situation close to the opponent's box. He is neither exclusively great nor exclusively bad in that area, not even mediocre (as in 'constantly playing it safe'), he is simply inconsistent. And this inconsistent nature of his displays is why every side of this debate has lots of material to prove their point, yet many people fail to see the whole picture.
 
Ronaldo's ball handling, link up play and decision making are often problematic. He commits a lot of unnecessary turnovers because of that, and it can be quite frustrating to watch him when he has a bad day. He doesn't even always keep it simple, everyone who watches him on a day-to-day basis knows his pointless backheel flips, that are either completely ineffective or end in losing possession.

One the other hand, he can indeed play marvelous passes, especially in dynamic situation close to the opponent's box. He is neither exclusively great nor exclusively bad in that area, not even mediocre (as in 'constantly playing it safe'), he is simply inconsistent. And this inconsistent nature of his displays is why every side of this debate has lots of material to prove their point, yet many people fail to see the whole picture.

Very fair points. I don't watch enough games so my impressions are based off the dozen or so games I see of Madrid in a year.
 
Ronaldo (Portuguese) is unarguably one of the best of his generation - and it's a toss up between him and Messi - and arguably one of the best of all time.

There is no toss up. Messi is miles better than Cristiano in every footballing aspect except goals in which he is on equal footing.
 
Yep Messi is an amazing header of the ball
That's the best you've got? That he is not a good header? I'm talking about more important things like vision, passing, dribbling, assisting, creating chances, technique, etc.
 
That's the best you've got? That he is not a good header? I'm talking about more important things like vision, passing, dribbling, assisting, creating chances, technique, etc.
Heading is not important ok?

Well, hopefully you are not one of them who call for pace, power and tall players for united then. Who cares about heading and aerial threat right?
 
That's the best you've got? That he is not a good header? I'm talking about more important things like vision, passing, dribbling, assisting, creating chances, technique, etc.
You miss the actual point.... I even bolded the bit for you....
 
I agree. Messi is better than Cristiano in almost everything.

Except aerial ability and shot power.

IF anyone watches the NBA, Cristiano is basically=Russell Westbrook. A physical specimen that doesn't really have top tier technical ability, but scores/attacks like crazy and puts up assists, even though they are selfish players....
 
I agree. Messi is better than Cristiano in almost everything.

Except aerial ability and shot power.

IF anyone watches the NBA, Cristiano is basically=Russell Westbrook. A physical specimen that doesn't really have top tier technical ability, but scores/attacks like crazy and puts up assists, even though they are selfish players....
What? :lol:

LeBron James would be his NBA equivalent.
 
There is no toss up. Messi is miles better than Cristiano in every footballing aspect except goals in which he is on equal footing.

I am actually in the Messi camp but your comment is way off - I'm 26 and for the last what seems like 10 years of my life people have been debating if CR7 or Messi is better. There are lots of arguments for Ronaldo and Messi.

In 20 years when ppl look back at their generation, they will be the two talked about as being the best.
 
What on earth is the matter with you people :lol: I thought there was a seperate thread for comparisons between Ronaldo and the wee lad from Argentina?

@Rado_N, someone is being naughty.
 
What? :lol:

LeBron James would be his NBA equivalent.

IF you actually watched basketball, you would know that Lebron James is a good team player that can defend every position.....Make the extra pass and allow his teammates wide open looks on the perimeter. cr7 is nothing like Lebron, except both are physical beasts.

Westbrook is cr7's equivalent.
 
On fire!
 
To be fair they're playing Andorra, if he doesn't get a hat-trick there's something to be said.
 
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