Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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He was a lot more Bale-like at the height of his United powers. Stopped the stepovers and just drove past people with sheer pace. Still did them or dropped a shoulder, did a flick, etc like Bale does now but for the most part he was so damn direct he became unstoppable.

I still maintain 06/07 was my favourite Ronaldo season. Still scored plenty of goals but he (and I've rewatched many of the games since to check it wasn't rose tinted) seemingly had decisive moments in every game. Was a lot more involved that year than at any other time in his career and an absolute joy to watch.
 
broccoli said:
Just remember the 90s and even early 00s. Players like Inzaghi, Romario, Batistuta, etc; were never belittled just because they scored goals. If you don't value that goal instinct that much then what do you make of Bayern's Mulller? he doesn't dribble, he's not very elegant but the fecker gets them in.
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That is certainly true, but this thread took a bit of a strange turn in the last couple of pages.

I think one of the issues is that the mindset of someone "belittling" Ronaldo here, is most likely one of comparison between him and Messi, or the other few GOAT candidates. That may not be expressly stated, but I'd take a wild guess that it's the case in their mind. I certainly can't see any other reason as to why someone would be diminishing his achievements. If Inzaghi (an extreme example because he was a far inferior player to Ronaldo) at the time had a legion of people supporting him as the best player in the world, or himself claimed that, then it would most likely be brought up that he was mostly "just" a goalscorer.

That's how it is. I was just looking at an old discussion in Porto forum about our greatest player ever (or that they've seen) and Deco (along with other players from past eras) is mentioned far far more than Jardel or Fernando Gomes. No one ever belittled Jardel at the time, nor they do now, but certainly if there was a significative group of people arguing him as the GOAT of our club, than someone would come forward and point out his limitations.

Of course if whenever someone praises Ronaldo here someone comes to point out that he "just" scores goals, even when the original praiser wasn't comparing him to anyone else, that is plain stupid. I don't know if that's the case, as I don't follow the thread closely, but if it is, I can certainly understand the frustration.
 
United-era Ronaldo is second only to Ronaldinho in the most exciting players I've ever seen list.
 
matherto said:
He was a lot more Bale-like at the height of his United powers. Stopped the stepovers and just drove past people with sheer pace. Still did them or dropped a shoulder, did a flick, etc like Bale does now but for the most part he was so damn direct he became unstoppable.

I still maintain 06/07 was my favourite Ronaldo season. Still scored plenty of goals but he (and I've rewatched many of the games since to check it wasn't rose tinted) seemingly had decisive moments in every game. Was a lot more involved that year than at any other time in his career and an absolute joy to watch.
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There was a stage in 2009/10 when it looked like Ronaldo was going to become that hybrid of the 2006/7 flair with the 2007/8 efficiency that we never quite saw. But then the emphasis changed and he really did become all about goals. A bit of a shame but perhaps inevitable in the context of who Madrid were up against and the structure of the team. I still think he (and we) would have had more fun if he'd stayed at United. Though that's probably not how him and his family see it.
 
I believe that Messi is the greatest player I have ever seen but to not consider Ronaldo after maybe Messi, Pelé, Maradona would be nonsense.

We can talk about Ronaldo 'el fenomeno' as having more talent, we can talk about Best having more talent but Cristiano has had a much higher peak at the top and that works more in Cristianos favour.

You can't just arbitrarily decide "Well we need to judge it based on what could have been", sadly it doesn't work that way.

Cristiano occupies the #3-5 slot easy, sadly forwards tend to be in those positions even though there's greats like Maldini when we talk about the greatest ever we speak about forwards really.

You can talk about players like Di Stefano or Beckenbauer being "complete" players, Di Stefano: European Cups (5), La Liga titles (8) and .72 goals per game so does he go ahead of Ronaldo it's a difficult choice? the issue is with Di Stefano the Real Madrid side back then was very good, in-fact too good for the league and the European Cup had an easier format, but. He was a big part of the reason why they were so good.

I Just haven't seen enough of Di Stefano to make a comparison since it's so long ago. If you talk about footballing Influence then does Cruyff finish ahead of Ronaldo? from an influence perspective yes, but as a player maybe not.

I think if it wasn't for Messi in this generation people would be lamenting Cristiano as the best in history, but Messi has sadly overshadowed him and makes him look like he's a tier below when he's not.

If you put Cristiano up against someone like Zidané, Cristiano would outshine Zidane although Zidane is a great artist player that sees the game differently, I think Zidane is int he same bracket as Iniesta when you compare the careers both have had.

You may ridicule me but you could potentially say that Ronaldo could come before Maradona (why I say #3-#5) because he's won more, yes Maradona was more talented and what he did in 86 was miraculous but he was only really in comparison with Platini.

Maradona had a .52 GPG ratio, yet never really had as many league titles as he should have done but he made Napoli the team they were, Maradona didn't always make the best choice off the field, if we are talking about peak of players Maradona could be #1 because of 1986 but Ronaldo over his career has proved he was at that level at times and has kept a very high level, for a long time.

I think Ronaldo has achieved more over his career, Maradona what he did at Napoli was amazing but obviously with Maradona you have brighter moments in his career, Ronaldo has won more and maintained a higher level.

You could easily say.

1. Pelé
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. Ronaldo
5. Di Stefano

But you could easily also say.

1. Messi
2. Pelé
3. Ronaldo
4. Maradona
5. Di Stefano / Cruyff.

It's where you draw the line on talent vs what the player achieved etc.
 
Arruda said:
That is certainly true, but this thread took a bit of a strange turn in the last couple of pages.

I think one of the issues is that the mindset of someone "belittling" Ronaldo here, is most likely one of comparison between him and Messi, or the other few GOAT candidates. That may not be expressly stated, but I'd take a wild guess that it's the case in their mind. I certainly can't see any other reason as to why someone would be diminishing his achievements. If Inzaghi (an extreme example because he was a far inferior player to Ronaldo) at the time had a legion of people supporting him as the best player in the world, or himself claimed that, then it would most likely be brought up that he was mostly "just" a goalscorer.

That's how it is. I was just looking at an old discussion in Porto forum about our greatest player ever (or that they've seen) and Deco (along with other players from past eras) is mentioned far far more than Jardel or Fernando Gomes. No one ever belittled Jardel at the time, nor they do now, but certainly if there was a significative group of people arguing him as the GOAT of our club, than someone would come forward and point out his limitations.

Of course if whenever someone praises Ronaldo here someone comes to point out that he "just" scores goals, even when the original praiser wasn't comparing him to anyone else, that is plain stupid. I don't know if that's the case, as I don't follow the thread closely, but if it is, I can certainly understand the frustration.
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I consider Jardel the greatest genius to play for us. He had a special gift that no training can give. Every cross to the box was half a penalty to the opposition.
 
TheNewEra said:
I believe that Messi is the greatest player I have ever seen but to not consider Ronaldo after maybe Messi, Pelé, Maradona would be nonsense.

We can talk about Ronaldo 'el fenomeno' as having more talent, we can talk about Best having more talent but Cristiano has had a much higher peak at the top and that works more in Cristianos favour.

You can't just arbitrarily decide "Well we need to judge it based on what could have been", sadly it doesn't work that way.

Cristiano occupies the #3-5 slot easy, sadly forwards tend to be in those positions even though there's greats like Maldini when we talk about the greatest ever we speak about forwards really.

You can talk about players like Di Stefano or Beckenbauer being "complete" players, Di Stefano: European Cups (5), La Liga titles (8) and .72 goals per game so does he go ahead of Ronaldo it's a difficult choice? the issue is with Di Stefano the Real Madrid side back then was very good, in-fact too good for the league and the European Cup had an easier format, but. He was a big part of the reason why they were so good.

I Just haven't seen enough of Di Stefano to make a comparison since it's so long ago. If you talk about footballing Influence then does Cruyff finish ahead of Ronaldo? from an influence perspective yes, but as a player maybe not.

I think if it wasn't for Messi in this generation people would be lamenting Cristiano as the best in history, but Messi has sadly overshadowed him and makes him look like he's a tier below when he's not.

If you put Cristiano up against someone like Zidané, Cristiano would outshine Zidane although Zidane is a great artist player that sees the game differently, I think Zidane is int he same bracket as Iniesta when you compare the careers both have had.

You may ridicule me but you could potentially say that Ronaldo could come before Maradona (why I say #3-#5) because he's won more, yes Maradona was more talented and what he did in 86 was miraculous but he was only really in comparison with Platini.

Maradona had a .52 GPG ratio, yet never really had as many league titles as he should have done but he made Napoli the team they were, Maradona didn't always make the best choice off the field, if we are talking about peak of players Maradona could be #1 because of 1986 but Ronaldo over his career has proved he was at that level at times and has kept a very high level, for a long time.

I think Ronaldo has achieved more over his career, Maradona what he did at Napoli was amazing but obviously with Maradona you have brighter moments in his career, Ronaldo has won more and maintained a higher level.

You could easily say.

1. Pelé
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. Ronaldo
5. Di Stefano

But you could easily also say.

1. Messi
2. Pelé
3. Ronaldo
4. Maradona
5. Di Stefano / Cruyff.

It's where you draw the line on talent vs what the player achieved etc.
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There's a lot of points of view. In my eyes Ronaldo can't go into the first five, at all. Then we can talk about the other spots. Just to put Ronaldo before Maradona is a complete nosense for me. That could only happen in this forum. Just go and check the teams Maradona had to fight against in Italy. By the time Serie A was the best league in the world hands down and he made Napoli champions twice.

Not to mention that technically Ronaldo can't even lace Maradona's boots. His dribbling, his vision, his control was galaxies above Cristiano's. Ronaldo is a goalscorer, Maradona managed to win a World Cup almost, almost on his own.

Man I look like I hate Ronaldo but I certainly don't. And by the way, I hate Maradona as a person but as a player he was undeniable. Ronado is not in that dimension, out of everyone you mentioned, he's by far the one who depends on his teammates the most. And he's the only one who couldn't be MOTM without scoring a goal from all those players. It wasn't like that at United, but it is at Madrid, and that's really sad for me, I'm in love with that Ronaldo.
 
broccoli said:
I consider Jardel the greatest genius to play for us. He had a special gift that no training can give. Every cross to the box was half a penalty to the opposition.
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I agree, even if it seems a contradiction in relation to what I said above. I dream of one day having a compilation of all his goals for us. There's just so little in youtube.
 
IFC 1905 said:
There's a lot of points of view. In my eyes Ronaldo can't go into the first five, at all. Then we can talk about the other spots. Just to put Ronaldo before Maradona is a complete nosense for me. That could only happen in this forum. Just go and check the teams Maradona had to fight against in Italy. By the time Serie A was the best league in the world hands down and he made Napoli champions twice.

Not to mention that technically Ronaldo can't even lace Maradona's boots. His dribbling, his vision, his control was galaxies above Cristiano's. Ronaldo is a goalscorer, Maradona managed to win a World Cup almost, almost on his own.

Man I look like I hate Ronaldo but I certainly don't. And by the way, I hate Maradona as a person but as a player he was undeniable. Ronado is not in that dimension, out of everyone you mentioned, he's by far the one who depends on his teammates the most. And he's the only one who couldn't be MOTM without scoring a goal from all those players. It wasn't like that at United, but it is at Madrid, and that's really sad for me, I'm in love with that Ronaldo.
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Maradona made his debut at something like 15 and what he did in his career for Napoli I think he's top 3 personally (Maradona) but I can see people having the debate RE: Ronaldo in future, it's where you draw the line though between individual performances and what the team accomplished.

Cruyff had a long career, I personally think he's ahead of Ronaldo but I can see the justification behind Ronaldo because he was some player 24-27 he was phenomenal but his numbers weren't as great at that stage.

Ronaldo is debatable top 5 and I think people will make that conclusion because you look at the Pelé and Maradona argument and people have the same argument now about Ronaldo and Messi.

This is of course a Ronaldo performance thread but my list personally is:

1. Messi/Pelé
2. Messi/Pelé
3. Maradona
4. Cruyff
5. Ronaldo / Di Stefano
6. Same as above.

And I haven't sadly seen Pelé, Cruyff, Di Stefano play, and to be honest with you, even people now in their 60s wouldn't have seen Pelé play too often as it wasn't really televised in Europe besides World Cups If I'm not mistaken.
 
TheNewEra said:
I think Ronaldo has achieved more over his career, Maradona what he did at Napoli was amazing but obviously with Maradona you have brighter moments in his career, Ronaldo has won more and maintained a higher level.

You could easily say.

1. Pelé
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. Ronaldo
5. Di Stefano

But you could easily also say.

1. Messi
2. Pelé
3. Ronaldo
4. Maradona
5. Di Stefano / Cruyff.

It's where you draw the line on talent vs what the player achieved etc.
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No way is Ronaldo ahead of Maradona. Not a chance!
 
IFC 1905 said:


This was GOAT level :drool::drool::drool:
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The thing is, 30 years from now, if you show someone his overall goalscoring/assist stats, titles/awards won, and show him similar highlights like this one, he would definitely be considered as GOAT.
 
IFC 1905 said:
There's a lot of points of view. In my eyes Ronaldo can't go into the first five, at all. Then we can talk about the other spots. Just to put Ronaldo before Maradona is a complete nosense for me. That could only happen in this forum. Just go and check the teams Maradona had to fight against in Italy. By the time Serie A was the best league in the world hands down and he made Napoli champions twice.

Not to mention that technically Ronaldo can't even lace Maradona's boots. His dribbling, his vision, his control was galaxies above Cristiano's. Ronaldo is a goalscorer, Maradona managed to win a World Cup almost, almost on his own.

Man I look like I hate Ronaldo but I certainly don't. And by the way, I hate Maradona as a person but as a player he was undeniable. Ronado is not in that dimension, out of everyone you mentioned, he's by far the one who depends on his teammates the most. And he's the only one who couldn't be MOTM without scoring a goal from all those players. It wasn't like that at United, but it is at Madrid, and that's really sad for me, I'm in love with that Ronaldo.
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Maradona is definitely more talents and reach higher ceiling/career peaks than Ronaldo. But Ronaldo does it with much more consistently over his career. I think its matter of debate of consistency vs peaks and which one you favours more. I personally rate Maradona higher though, but I also value consistency of top level over his career, which I think is very rare too.

To take it more extreme, would you prefer someone who consistently scored over 40 goals a season over a period of 10 seasons plus (always among top 2 or 3 players in world, sometimes no.1, during that very long period), or someone who is absolutely a beast (undisputed no.1) but only last a few seasons, then disappear?
 
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RedRonaldo said:
Maradona is definitely more talents and reach higher ceiling/career peaks than Ronaldo. But Ronaldo does it with much more consistently over his career. I think its matter of debate of consistency vs peaks and which one you favours more. I personally rate Maradona higher though, but I also value consistency of top level over his career, which I think is very rare too.

To take it more extreme, would you prefer someone who consistently scored over 40 goals a season over a period of 10 seasons plus (always among top 2 or 3 players in world, sometimes no.1, during that very long period), or someone who is absolutely a beast (undisputed no.1) but only last a few seasons, then disappear?
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In the end(for me anyway), the trophy haul and the direct impact on those trophies will determine who has been better
 
kouroux said:
In the end(for me anyway), the trophy haul and the direct impact on those trophies will determine who has been better
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Well then, Ronaldo should rank very high in your list as he has won a lot of trophies/awards over the years with direct impact/contribution (goals/assists)
 
RedRonaldo said:
Well then, Ronaldo should rank very high in your list as he has won a lot of trophies/awards over the years with direct impact/contribution (goals/assists)
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Of course he does but I don't have a clear ranking when it comes to the entire history of the sport because it is impossible to give a fair point of view. It is already hard enough between players of the same era. I just know that you cannot score that many goals and win those trophies without being among the greatest.
The rest is futile and pointless debating
 
RedRonaldo said:
Maradona is definitely more talents and reach higher ceiling/career peaks than Ronaldo. But Ronaldo does it with much more consistently over his career. I think its matter of debate of consistency vs peaks and which one you favours more. I personally rate Maradona higher though, but I also value consistency of top level over his career, which I think is very rare too.

To take it more extreme, would you prefer someone who consistently scored over 40 goals a season over a period of 10 seasons plus (always among top 2 or 3 players in world, sometimes no.1, during that very long period), or someone who is absolutely a beast (undisputed no.1) but only last a few seasons, then disappear?
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That sounds more like Ronaldo vs Ronaldhinio.

Besides, consistent brilliance isnt just about numbers either. If Maradona was at today's Barcelona or Madrid, I imagine he too would put up statistical consistency. It's much easier to achieve when you're at a "super club". It's as much about looking beyond that.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
That sounds more like Ronaldo vs Ronaldhinio.

Besides, consistent brilliance isnt just about numbers either. If Maradona was at today's Barcelona or Madrid, I imagine he too would put up statistical consistency. It's much easier to achieve when you're at a "super club". It's as much about looking beyond that.
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I really doubt so. The problem with Maradona, he really feck himself up with drugs issues when he is approaching his late 20s. That has nothing to do with being at super club or not. It all about self-discipline and drive for success over anything else, and keeping in very good shape all the time (same thing applies to Best, or many other Brazilian superstars I guess, which many of them fail to maintain such consistency of top level over their career). But during the peak of Maradona's career, he is simply unstoppable, and I think he has more than several great seasons during his career too, hence I'd rate him very high in the list.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
That sounds more like Ronaldo vs Ronaldhinio.

Besides, consistent brilliance isnt just about numbers either. If Maradona was at today's Barcelona or Madrid, I imagine he too would put up statistical consistency. It's much easier to achieve when you're at a "super club". It's as much about looking beyond that.
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OF course it is. Even more they way Ronaldo plays at the moment, the best moment since he won UCL & Euro in the same season. Right now he scores most of the goals (I'd say 70%) due to his teammates. If he played at United right now he would produce much, much less in terms of numbers.

Numbers are not everything. And people who defend Ronaldo relies too much in them.

This was one of his best seasons individually



If you watch just the assists, most of them are common passes and his teammates scores golazos, or deflections from him trying to shoot, or passes inside the area. You can say he has more assists than Maradona in terms of numbers, but you can't say he's better at assisting than Maradona, even less passing the ball.


And Maradona wasn't about peaks, at all. He's been god level since he was in Argentinos Juniors with great numbers, until he went to Barcelona. At Boca Juniors he was incredible too. But then, in Barcelona he got his leg broken and got hepatitis. Then he recovered and reached his peak. Maradona's peak is only compared to Messi and Ronaldo9's peaks in terms of football level in my eyes, and he sustained it for three years or so. But even at a normal level he was above everyone.


But you can't use numbers to judge those players. If that was the case, Zidane might be worse than Ozil or Toni Kroos.
 
RedRonaldo said:
I really doubt so. The problem with Maradona, he really feck himself up with drugs issues when he is approaching his late 20s. That has nothing to do with being at super club or not. It all about self-discipline and drive for success over anything else, and keeping in very good shape all the time (same thing applies to Best, or many other Brazilian superstars I guess, which many of them fail to maintain such consistency of top level over their career). But during his peaks, he is simply unstoppable, and I think he has more than several great seasons during his career too, hence I rate him very high in the list.
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It has a lot to do with being at a super club. Some things like drug issues dont. But with the current lot it's easy to go "40 goals for 10 seasons" and think that says everything when it obviously doesn't. Brilliance can be in many ways. But the question is how much the argument is built around statistics. Maradona wouldn't be considered among the two to three greatest footballers in football history if he didnt have ridiculous consistency coupled with ridiculous peformances. I doubt Ronaldo vs Maradona is a battle of consistency vs top level. Either way I've not even seen many people argue Ronaldo is close to maradona. So the latter must have had consistency as well.
 
IMO the greatest ever player has to be Maradona. His level of skill, reading of the game, clinical finishing, power, balance, bravery was quite simply unsurpassed. Unlike Messi and Ronaldo he stepped up when it really mattered at World Cups and dragged the entire Argentine team with him. He was and probably always will be the best to have played the game.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It has a lot to do with being at a super club. Some things like drug issues dont. But with the current lot it's easy to go "40 goals for 10 seasons" and think that says everything when it obviously doesn't. Brilliance can be in many ways. But the question is how much the argument is built around statistics. Maradona wouldn't be considered among the two to three greatest footballers in football history if he didnt have ridiculous consistency coupled with ridiculous peformances. I doubt Ronaldo vs Maradona is a battle of consistency vs top level. Either way I've not even seen many people argue Ronaldo is close to maradona. So the latter must have had consistency as well.
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I am not just talking about stats and huge goal numbers Ronaldo has throughout his career. Yes he benefits from being at a "super club" which may distort his numbers abit, but even you take away 10-15 goals per season from Ronaldo, for sake of argument of being at super club, he is still tremendously consistent over past 10 years or so. (he is going to win his 4th Ballon D'or this year I believe, having also been runners-up 5 other times too, so that's at least 9 years of consistency at the very top)

I just don't think Maradona is on the same league as Ronaldo in terms of consistency. But he is still very consistent over a large part of his career, he has many good/great seasons in Italy and before that, but he also faded badly in the end due to drugs issues. Ronaldo, has been great all the time, ever since his breakthrough seasons in Manchester nearly 10 years ago, and up to now. Yes I wouldn't put Ronaldo above Maradona or even on the same tier, as Maradona has so much more talent and shines so more at his peaks, I am not arguing with that. I am just saying, consistency has been underrated in this thread or in any GOAT discussion, I don't think its fair to ignore that.
 
RedRonaldo said:
I am not just talking about stats and huge goal numbers Ronaldo has throughout his career. Yes he benefits from being at a "super club" which may distort his numbers abit, but even you take away 10-15 goals per season from Ronaldo, for sake of argument of being at super club, he is still tremendously consistent over past 10 years or so. (he is going to win his 4th Ballon D'or this year I believe, having also been runners-up 5 other times too, so that's at least 9 years of consistency at the very top)

I just don't think Maradona is on the same league as Ronaldo in terms of consistency. But he is still very consistent over a large part of his career, he has many good/great seasons in Italy and before that, but he also faded badly in the end due to drugs issues. Ronaldo, has been great all the time, ever since his breakthrough seasons in Manchester nearly 10 years ago, and up to now. Yes I wouldn't put Ronaldo above Maradona or even on the same tier, as Maradona has so much more talent and shines so more at his peaks, I am not arguing with that. I am just saying, consistency has been underrated in this thread or in any GOAT discussion, I don't think its fair to ignore that.
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I dont think anyone underrated consistency otherwise Giggs really wouldn't be revered as much as he is. But being blatantly superior and a complete genius will always trump a bit more sustainability.

Which is exactly why you yourself dont put Ronaldo on the same tier as Maradona.
 
kouroux said:
In the end(for me anyway), the trophy haul and the direct impact on those trophies will determine who has been better
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Can't agree with that. It's always quality of peformances for me. Goals and assists and trophies are a direct result of that but not always perfectly correlated. You can easily have one player performing better but winning less.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I dont think anyone underrated consistency otherwise Giggs really wouldn't be revered as much as he is. But being blatantly superior and a complete genius will always trump a bit more sustainability.

Which is exactly why you yourself dont put Ronaldo on the same tier as Maradona.
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Yes but we are talking about a player who has been among the top 1-2 players in the world for 9 years at least, I doubt there's another player in the past who could match such level of consistency at the "very top". I really think that fact alone deserve more much recognition than how people rate him here. Giggs is all about longevity at top professional level but he has never been top of the world at any stage of his career at all.
 
this thread is for performances, not cry wanking about who is the best ever. start another thread debating who is the best, or put it in an existing thread, or better yet, just don't put it anywhere.
 
It's like picking your favorite color - no one cares, nothing anyone says will change your mind, and it won't affect you in any shape or form because the best color is useless on its own.
Without Messi, Ronaldo wouldn't have been as proficient, even if he had more of sovereignty over trophies, and vice versa.
In individual sport, where it's at least understandable to compare, it couldn't be more clear-cut, all coming down to whether you prefer trophy count or h2h record. Yet even then, the choice is fully informed by your enjoyment of said player.
For me personally, although I'm not a RM fan, Ronaldo is about 1/2 the reason I keep tuning in to the game, and I liked Utd 5 times more when he was here.
 
charlton66 said:
So Ronaldo scores goals - check. Ronaldo assists goals - check. But he's somehow not an all time great because Messi's passes are prettier. Now I've heard it all.
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How dare you, they have examined and cross examined the assists of both messi and ronaldo to the tiniest detail using the expert judgment of an olympic gymnast judges.

They must be right

Honestly, i dont even think anyone in here remembers 10 of either messi or Ronaldo's assist
 
TheNewEra said:
Cruyff had a long career, I personally think he's ahead of Ronaldo but I can see the justification behind Ronaldo because he was some player 24-27 he was phenomenal but his numbers weren't as great at that stage.
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Only because they didn't count assists back then. If you're interested check this out, they tried to count all his assists in the thread. According to their count he's comfortably ahead of even Messi regarding assists per game.
 
Sky1981 said:
How dare you, they have examined and cross examined the assists of both messi and ronaldo to the tiniest detail using the expert judgment of an olympic gymnast judges.

They must be right

Honestly, i dont even think anyone in here remembers 10 of either messi or Ronaldo's assist
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Dude, I don't think that guy watches Messi play at all, otherwise you don't need to remember the assists of each other. You just know that Messi can do incredible passes, both long and short, or getting through the entire defense line leaving the strikers one on one with the keeper. And Ronaldo can't do that. He's several levels ahead of Ronaldo in terms of assisting or passing, even if they have the same numbers. Maybe Ronaldo has more assists than Ozil aswell, but Ozil is levels above.
 
FFS can we have some moderator in here?

Can people not read the thread title? Or the numerous posts explicitly asking people to take this shite to another thread where it belongs? Stop spamming.
 
Lucifer Rising said:
IMO the greatest ever player has to be Maradona. His level of skill, reading of the game, clinical finishing, power, balance, bravery was quite simply unsurpassed. Unlike Messi and Ronaldo he stepped up when it really mattered at World Cups and dragged the entire Argentine team with him. He was and probably always will be the best to have played the game.
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2 goals today so far, but they don't count because goals don't mean anything. 1 penalty and 1 header.
 
IFC 1905 said:
Dude, I don't think that guy watches Messi play at all, otherwise you don't need to remember the assists of each other. You just know that Messi can do incredible passes, both long and short, or getting through the entire defense line leaving the strikers one on one with the keeper. And Ronaldo can't do that. He's several levels ahead of Ronaldo in terms of assisting or passing, even if they have the same numbers. Maybe Ronaldo has more assists than Ozil aswell, but Ozil is levels above.
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And you think ronaldo just do a 5 yard pass and whomever scores the goal?

Try making an assist in a match and tell me it's easy
 
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