I completely agree, it sets talented players apart from the word go and usually on a different trajectory of the players who dont have that unstoppable belief in their abilities.
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I completely agree, it sets talented players apart from the word go and usually on a different trajectory of the players who dont have that unstoppable belief in their abilities.
I don't think he lacks confidence at all. What's holding him back is the stop/start nature of his last couple of seasons. Personally, I don't care where he plays on loan next season as long as his knees don't act up again.
I think it may be an attention thing at times with Danny. I can remember countless reserve and youth games where he is constantly being shouted instructions through out a match.
Twitter's come alight with rumors of a loan move to Sunderland.
He's in America with us isn't he?
Would be a good move although he wouldnt play up front. He'd be played wide right or left, similar to how Bruce played Campbell last year.
My issue is the amount of football he'd get with Sunderland, be surprised if he was ahead of Campbell, who himself is surely third choice behind Bent and Kenwyne Jones.
You'd rather see him move to actually be involved regularly, but it does seem very likely that he will be loaned this season
I would imagine Jones might get a move, he was agitating after January. Sunderland were getting linked heavily with the Paraguayan striker, Valdez.
Manchester shopping trip: Sunderland target United's Danny Welbeck and City's Nedum Ohuoha | Mail Online
Daily Mail for what it is worth are making a story of Wellbeck to Sunderland
Daily Mail for what it is worth are making a story of Wellbeck to Sunderland
That article doesn't say whether it'd be a loan deal or a permanent one. Can't see SAF selling Welbeck, but a loan move would be good for him, and Sunderland are definitely looking for another striker. That said, I think Sunderland are looking for a more finished product than Welbeck - they've been linked with several Serie A players and had a look at Suarez before the World Cup (no chance of getting him but it indicates the level of player they want)
With Hernandez joining ...Macheda and Wellbeck slip down the pecking order. One will be loaned.
More likely to Wellbeck and Id think to a "North West" team
Theres the Ferguson connection and playing for a moderate Championship side might be better than playing for the likes of Wigan or Blackpool.
Stoke is a possibility.
By my reckoning Blackpool only have 17 professional players and will obviously need a lot more players. I can see them using the maximum (is it five?) loanees (de Laet has been mentioned on another thread but Im not sure how he will benefit at a losing team).
More likely to Wellbeck and Id think to a "North West" team
Theres the Ferguson connection and playing for a moderate Championship side might be better than playing for the likes of Wigan or Blackpool.
Stoke is a possibility.
By my reckoning Blackpool only have 17 professional players and will obviously need a lot more players. I can see them using the maximum (is it five?) loanees (de Laet has been mentioned on another thread but Im not sure how he will benefit at a losing team).
Anyone hoping that Welbeck could do a similar role for us that Muller did for Germany? I'm not sure he is cut out to play up front for us but perhaps as a wide man in a front three could be his best role.
I think that is how Fergie sees him as he's played him on the wing quite a lot and he really isn't a winger, but the inbetween role of wide forward in a front 3 might just be the ticket for the lad.
Apparently Sunderland are interested. It would be a bad move for him. He won't displace Bent or Jones, and Frazier Campbell started to show a bit of form near the end of last season, so he'll be fourth choice. He needs games, and lots of them.
Aye, if he does get games it's most likely on the wing - which is a position he does tend to struggle in.
Having said that, I've always thought he could become twice the player that Frazier Campbell is/was, so he might be able to force his way up the pecking order.
The Sunderland interest seems to be for a permanent move too, not a loan - and I can't see why on Earth we'd sell him
They might fancy him for the wing. They could do with a winger.
We should slap him a big fee on him if we do consider selling as at all levels so far he has excelled.
We should slap him a big fee on him if we do consider selling as at all levels so far he has excelled.
Aye. It seems odd, as I reckon he can be a top, top player for us, but I don't see him pushing Campbell or the other two out of the frame just yet. He's a bit green. His best bet might be to go to one of the lower Prem/upper Championship teams where he can play most weeks.
Really? I hadn't realised that. Unless it's silly money (and even then I'd prefer not) then I can't see it happening.
It's all a bit unclear, but reading between the lines, that appears to be what the journalists up here (north east) are thinking. Like you I'd have thought the only way this move could happen would be as a loan, but then Sunderland don't really need him on a loan, they have Bent, Campbell and Jones plus some decent young strikers.
not a good move for welbeck, there is campbell, jones, bent ahead of him don't see the point loaning him out to them unless we are selling him.
If Welbeck goes out on loan he needs to be in with a realistic hope/chance of being 1st choice if he can't get that in the PL and can in the Championship then so be it.. He needs 1st team and competitive football to progress..
Still don't see the point of this move, Danny'd be 4th choice for Sunderland which is only slightly better than staying at United. He needs regular first team football, not sitting on a different bench. Would rather see him go to Preston and play than Sunderland's bench.
he may seem like fourth choice on the face of it but Campbell and Jones are not exactly world beaters, theres no reason why he couldn't get himself ahead of those 2 imo particularly if he gets a goal or 2 as Jones and Campbells strike rates are both poor
I would rather he stayed with us too but would prefer Sunderland to Preston simply because they're a prem side and were he able to cement a place there it would boost his confidence no end
I would rather he stayed with us too but would prefer Sunderland to Preston simply because they're a prem side and were he able to cement a place there it would boost his confidence no end
I'm not sure why we wouldn't send him to Blackburn or somewhere like that. He would start there and its alot closer. They are also a decent team with a decent manager.
Might not get played as a striker at Sunderland and more on either wing. That's where he has played for us.
But, yeah if he needs to be developed as a striker then send him to a place where they'll use him as a potential every game starter in that position.
But, yeah if he needs to be developed as a striker then send him to a place where they'll use him as a potential every game starter in that position.
surely not sunderland ..
he wont be a starter there ..
he wont be a starter there ..
Jones will probably be sold and him and Campbell could always battle it out for the right wing spot and obviously players get injured.
I doubt SAF will let Welbeck go to any Big Sam team.. He is not that sort of player and would hardly fit into their system..
I'm not so sure as Blackburn don't play such a longball dependant style, they actually played some decent stuff last season when they had David Dunn on the pitch. They are a physical side but not anywhere near as bad as Bolton were under Big Sam.
I think he could do well there.
It's silly to suggest Welbeck will get a look in ahead of Jones or Campbell, because the simple truth of the matter is both players are well ahead of him in their development. If he goes to Sunderland, chances are it will be as a winger (a position he doesn't seem great at).
It will be a bad move for him. If he does go somewhere, a team like Bolton might actually be better.
bolton's a good choice on loan...owen coyle has the right ideas on playing the right way
With Bruce's connections with us and im sure Fergie will make sure he will get game play in the right position.
Yeah, that'd be my loan destination of choice. Look at Wilshere last season, got plenty of first team football
Bruce and Fergie aren't the best of friends, and Welbeck isn't better then Jones or Campbell. He won't break into that team as a striker. Doesn't matter if it's Bruce, or Darren Ferguson who is coaching that team.
I'd say that Fergie is closer to Allardyce than Bruce or Coyle. Plus Blackburn (or Bolton or Preston) would allow Welbeck to stay local and keep in regular contact with United's coaches (if necessary). Must say, unless there are no other options, I don't think Sunderland is a good move for Danny.
I fancy him (in a non gay way) as the next Andrew Cole, he always scores in PES 2010... we should not let him go...
For what it's worth he's turned into an absolute beast in my FM2010 game.
Internet rumour that we've slapped an 8 mil price tag on him.
He tore barca a new one in the CL final on my United game.
I hope this isn't true as he is only 19 has all the tools required to make it here given time and could eventually be worth at least twice that amount.