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David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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Smith also questionned De Gea's positioning when he saved that cross from the left which fell to Fabio to clear.
Hate to be critical because he's a young guy but there were shades of Barthez in his performance today. You can only play attack minded football if you can be sure that when it breaks down what's behind you is solid and De Gea's mistakes are going to become a monkey on our backs if he doesn't sort it out soon just like conceding late goals away from home was last year.
De Gea's clearly talented and he's very good when forced into instinctual saves showing the talent is there. But right now he seems to be over thinking everything, he's lacking composure and confidence at the moment and he needs to assert himself and assert himself fast. Plus in signing for United he knew what he was coming to, this is a rough league, keepers don't get that same level of protection they get in La Liga. He can't just assume that if he gets touched play will stop. He seriously needs to toughen up and show more willingness to come through a crowd.
If De Gea doesn't shake his low morale it will effect our play. I hope he gets his head in the game soon.
De Gea's clearly talented and he's very good when forced into instinctual saves showing the talent is there. But right now he seems to be over thinking everything, he's lacking composure and confidence at the moment and he needs to assert himself and assert himself fast. Plus in signing for United he knew what he was coming to, this is a rough league, keepers don't get that same level of protection they get in La Liga. He can't just assume that if he gets touched play will stop. He seriously needs to toughen up and show more willingness to come through a crowd.
If De Gea doesn't shake his low morale it will effect our play. I hope he gets his head in the game soon.
People keep mentioning his height, but the shots he's struggled with have nothing to do with height, surprisingly for an average height keeper, its getting to the floor quick enough which is the downfall in his game thus far.
Aerially he's struggled but that is far more understandable considering which league he's come from, his age and physique.
Aerially he's struggled but that is far more understandable considering which league he's come from, his age and physique.
My first reaction to the WBA players going in on him was that he was scared of giving away a penalty. Once he discovers that in English Rules Football the keeper can lead with his knee and throw his elbows about, he'll be fine.
I think that's his only problem at the moment, and it will reduce as he gets more games. He just needs to get back to relying on his instincts, which are fantastic.
He's been a bit nervous, but his decision making, kicking or reflects are top class. The more I see him play the more I like him. He's only 20 ffs. He could be a legend at United.
The only problem I have is with Lindegaard. If DeGea keeps making those mistakes and gets started ahead of him, what message does it send to him? Lindegaard had a much better start and been solid every time. I'd feel very comfortable if he was in fact our #1
The only problem I have is with Lindegaard. If DeGea keeps making those mistakes and gets started ahead of him, what message does it send to him? Lindegaard had a much better start and been solid every time. I'd feel very comfortable if he was in fact our #1
This boy is special, I can just see it. He's what..20 years old? And he's a fecking goalkeeper. You're looking at a good 10 years until you're seeing anything close to the best of him. His control and distribution look superb; very much like Van der Sar.
Young players will make mistakes, its how they react to them that is key and he stayed composed and was simply physically bullied by the opposition in the second half; thats not a mistake, its just a lack of experience in this league, which can only be rectified with more games.
Young players will make mistakes, its how they react to them that is key and he stayed composed and was simply physically bullied by the opposition in the second half; thats not a mistake, its just a lack of experience in this league, which can only be rectified with more games.
...does not belong in here.
Welcome to English football lad - time to grow up, and fast
Well said that man.
I knew this would happen early doors.
He might cost us the odd silly goal here and there (particularly in his first season) but if we get behind him and he gets his confidence up, he could be a great buy for us.
People think the sun shone out of Schmeichels arse too. I remember him making some ridiculous errors at times but his legacy is rightfully one of how great he was.
Don't rush to judge on this kid.
TBH its not just the goals he's let in that is the problem.
Its the general aura of nervousness that he exudes. Looks terrible at crosses. He flapped several balls, a lot of times being nowhere near getting enough to get the ball away. I think he left the defenders confused a couple of times when he didn't come to claim the ball. He needs to work a lot on his command of the area and not just his shot stopping.
Still think he is a major talent who'll be here for a long time but I wouldn't be surprised to see Lindegaard wrestle the no.1 from him for this season atleast.
Its the general aura of nervousness that he exudes. Looks terrible at crosses. He flapped several balls, a lot of times being nowhere near getting enough to get the ball away. I think he left the defenders confused a couple of times when he didn't come to claim the ball. He needs to work a lot on his command of the area and not just his shot stopping.
Still think he is a major talent who'll be here for a long time but I wouldn't be surprised to see Lindegaard wrestle the no.1 from him for this season atleast.
First things First. He is no way.... 6'4".
Think you're 100 per cent right. It's not about his talent. It's just about confidence and that'll come in time. How, will depend on him - people react in different ways. He might react well to a show of faith, or initially that could put added pressure on him. He's only 20.
Gona be world class this kid, you better believe it.
I think thats a fair post. If De Gea continues to make silly mistakes then I think its only fair that Lindegaard gets a chance. He looked very, very good in pre season.
De Geas 20, he's got plenty of time and it seems obvious that he's having issues gelling and communicating with the team. The last 5 minutes I was a wreck!
Which is why we need to get behind him.
Look at how people were on Fletchers back (myself included) for years when he was shunted out to right wing. It helps no one.
I trust that people can tell the difference between a complete dud and one that is lacking in confidence.
My balls hadn't even dropped when I was 20.
Bit harsh.
De Gea comes from a league where goalkeepers are heavily protected. The bastard referee gave him no protection at all today (remember the one where Long hit him across the face and tipped him over and the referee gave a corner???).
If it is expected of him that he needs to command the area, then that is a coaching issue. I think it goes much more than the lack of language - it is a complete culture change for the guy.
That said, the two goals that have been highlighted to death MAY be due to a technical deficiency on low(ish) shots but there isn't a footballer that doesn't need training to improve. That's the responsibility of the goalkeeping coach.
One aspect that I think should be emphasised is that when he comes for high balls, he should make sure he completely clears out the attackers. Referees are less protective of goalkeepers in the Premier League but I haven't seen many penalise the goalkeeper when he has smashed into an attacker!
I don't disagree that we have to get behind him, but if his presence unsettles the outfield players, that has to be addressed. The team has to have confidence in each other. I'm sure Fergie can find a way of taking the pressure off him, and if that does involve resting him, there are ways of doing it so that he doesn't feel that his ability is under question.
Well if he doesn't settle in quickly then he will he be dropped especially as we have a capable deputy.
However advocating subbing him in only his 2nd game would have been a ludicrous idea altogether even if he was having a massive impact on the rest of the team.
Do you not think 'resting' him crucifies him though
It's tough as if he keeps making errors, it's just as bad
Glad it's not my decision, for what it's worth, I'd play him all this month and see where we're at with him
what were Ando and Fabio? telling him? all I got was a rendition of "hands up, baby hands up......"
I didn't advocate subbing him immediately.
I said I wouldn't be surprised if Lindegaard is the no. 1 at some point this season.
I thought so too, not sure why though. But I think its funny that people are going on about him. But then again 18 million for a young keeper, its no suprise that the so called pundits were. He will get better, no doubt. Now if only Neville could pronounce his name right whilst twatting redknapp in the balls!
Seems like he is a bit surprised (not to say shocked) about the game played in England. I dont think he expected it to be like that but nevertheless, he will be great if given time.
Anyone remember the first 6 months of Evra or Vidic? They were shit but had both much more experience and were much older...
Anyone remember the first 6 months of Evra or Vidic? They were shit but had both much more experience and were much older...
I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to a post made by Livvie which Lynk pointed out.
Likewise I agree with you that Lindegaard could be number 1 at some point though personally I hope not as that would mean De Gea has struggled to settle in. I don't hold much hope for him but the last thing you want to see is someone's confidence destroyed at United.
The kid will come good, just needs some more experience & time understanding to Rio & Vidic.
It must be pretty daunting for a young keeper to come in and play with the likes of Rio and Vidic in front of him, arguably Europe's best central defensive partnership, knowing that he HAS to perform. Maybe that's playing on his mind? De Gea looked more confident when Smalling and Jones were in front of him.
We need to give him time but I'm not overly concerned about these errors just yet.
We need to give him time but I'm not overly concerned about these errors just yet.
Hard one to sort out imo. Showing faith in someone might be a good way to inspire someone, but you can't sacrifice team confidence for individual confidence.
And if Fergie has faith in a player, you can be sure he'll make sure the player knows that, even if he's dropped/subbed, and a player with any spirit will accept and learn from it.
Couldn't watch the game as I had to work. However, I sneaked out to check the final report summary on Soccernet. Soccernet makes it sound like De Gea made a real gaff today and overall had an absolute shocker of a game. Yet I was looking at the highlights and I thought he looked quite good. He should have done better with the goal I have to agree. The media are really exaggerating every mistake he mades.
Wanna say I have faith in him, I never expect him not to make any mistakes. De Gea is after all yong and learnin'.
Wanna say I have faith in him, I never expect him not to make any mistakes. De Gea is after all yong and learnin'.
Wouldn't the club have done a psychological evaulation on him to find out what sort of personality he has, and how different personalities react to different scenarios? This would surely impact how we deal with whether to take him out of the firing line etc, because we'd have an idea how he'd react and how it'd affect his confidence
Many players had shit starts before, means nothing really as he is obviously talented
Seems like he is a bit surprised (not to say shocked) about the game played in England. I dont think he expected it to be like that but nevertheless, he will be great if given time.
Anyone remember the first 6 months of Evra or Vidic? They were shit but had both much more experience and were much older...[/QUOTE-
but i think in spain they also tried kicked balls past him
The headline is somewhat misleading. I clicked on it in a rage.
Young and learning isn't going to be an excuse for very long. Back-to-back games letting in shockingly straightforward shots. That is going to take a toll on his confidence pretty quickly. Young keepers always struggle and rarely succeed the first time they play for a big club. Playing for United places all players in the spotlight, especially the GK.
Most of us can remembered the debacle trying to replace the Great Dane. Its really tough for any GK to take over from a legend. I just hope he finds his form and mental toughness before his confidence takes a real knock.
Most of us can remembered the debacle trying to replace the Great Dane. Its really tough for any GK to take over from a legend. I just hope he finds his form and mental toughness before his confidence takes a real knock.
I don't think the Dzeko one compares. You can make a credible argument for that one. The Long goal was a legit howler, IMO.
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