I think the lads reaction, his teammates reaction and some of the comments supporting him afterwards pretty much confirm it was a bad GK mistake.
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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I think the lads reaction, his teammates reaction and some of the comments supporting him afterwards pretty much confirm it was a bad GK mistake.
Dzeko was given all the time in the world, and the ball took a wicked swerve at the last. He should have done better.
He should have flat out saved the shot from Long today.
Seems like he is a bit surprised (not to say shocked) about the game played in England. I dont think he expected it to be like that but nevertheless, he will be great if given time.
Anyone remember the first 6 months of Evra or Vidic? They were shit but had both much more experience and were much older...[/QUOTE-
but i think in spain they also tried kicked balls past him
Whats your point? In France and Russia, they also tried to get past the defenders.... Obviously, you dont understand much about football
Perhaps we could ease the pressure on him a little by playing Lindegaard.
I'd hate to be De Gea. Every fecking hack and pundit in the land will be scrutinising his every move. I listened to the game on 5 Live where the commentator likened him to Taibi and Robbie Savage decided it was De Gea - and not his first choice, Anderson - who is United's weak link. Those who can remember Schmeichel's first season will recall a number of howlers and he didn't turn out too bad. I hope this lad's big enough to brush the critics aside but it must be bloody tough. I just hope our own fans don't get on his back.
Lee Dixon and Dion Dublin on Match of the Day gave a fair assessment on him unlike those spastics like Redknapp, Burley and Savage
Yeah, just seen that. Dixon was spot on.
Totally agree.
The confusing thing about the mistakes he's making is that it's basic shot stopping. If he was failing to get to grips with the physical side you could understand it being a young keeper new to the league but especially todays mistake it was as basic as you can get
What's even more worrying than the basic shot stopping errors he's making is that our entire team you could see had zero faith in playing the ball back to him
I never saw him at Atletico but even at this very early stage I'm worrying if he can get back from his first two games :/
What's even more worrying than the basic shot stopping errors he's making is that our entire team you could see had zero faith in playing the ball back to him
I never saw him at Atletico but even at this very early stage I'm worrying if he can get back from his first two games :/
They played it to him a fair bit, it was the Stoke fans who thought they could shit him up, despite their being no indication that he was having difficulties with the ball at his feet.
Some of the stuff on Sky earlier was frankly embarrassing.
Press smell blood. They've been banging on about replacing VDS for over a year now. They sense a weakness and they'll attack it.
Is this a wum?
He isn't half as dodgy as the press and you are trying to make out. He recovered well after the mistake, just like he had done in the CS. Two games is feck all when you consider age, expectation, language, coming to play for Manchester United, replacing a legend etc
If we judged keepers solely off their games against West Brom then VDS must also be a flop etc
I'd say he's been helped massively in both games from the team shielding him from being called into action further following both mistakes
You have managed to isolate the one part of his game that he has no problem with, and invent criticism based on something that never occurred.
Nice.
Eh? He's got no problem with shot stopping? How would you explain this goal today then?
As for the second part there was numerous times where rather than pass the ball back to him the defence would try to play their way out of trouble instead
I didn't say that. In fact, I thought I made it perfectly clearly what I was talking about. I guess not.
The second part. Right. The part that I was talking about. Which times?
Can't say I saw the back four not give him back passes. He dealt with plenty all afternoon and his distribution and touch are good. There's no issue with that IMO.
The shotstopping errors are abit of a concern this early in the season and the one today was a very soft goal to concede. However, overall he has done alright in his two games and shown an ability to put mistakes behind him. I'm not concerned as the shot stopping errors should be easy enough for him to get passed. It's how he deals with crossed balls and having to make saves with long periods of doing little that I think will be the acid test.
It's fascinating how much time people are willing to give outfield players when it comes to learning their trade and not to mention all the benefits that actually come with that. (move around if things aren't going your way).
We were blessed that we had such an experienced goalkeeper in VDS (who had a tough time of it himself at Juventus) to come straight in but now we have a very inexperienced keeper who will need time like every other bloody footballer that has ever played to perfect his trade. The pressure after two games is ridiculous, the blokes on Sky were practically praying for another mistake and generally talking bollix (around the 70 min mark he came out to catch the ball and was clattered pretty damn hard and lost it, apparently this was 'indecisiveness'.
Who'd be a bloody keeper, eh?
We were blessed that we had such an experienced goalkeeper in VDS (who had a tough time of it himself at Juventus) to come straight in but now we have a very inexperienced keeper who will need time like every other bloody footballer that has ever played to perfect his trade. The pressure after two games is ridiculous, the blokes on Sky were practically praying for another mistake and generally talking bollix (around the 70 min mark he came out to catch the ball and was clattered pretty damn hard and lost it, apparently this was 'indecisiveness'.
Who'd be a bloody keeper, eh?
The wankers. We weren't even playing them yet they felt the need to drive down to West Bromwich to heckle our new boy?
thats not what I saw. they played it back to him quite a lot.
Kinnel.
I think the press over here give foreigners a much harder time. From being too harsh to even making up interviews.
Just what the boy needs.
The lad is 20 years old, there will be more growing pains and errors like today. Not even close to being concerned.
Right okay so what you're actually saying then is that I'm criticising his ability to deal with back passes? When what I said was that I perceived his team mates questioned his ability to deal with them.
Personally I think the one area of his game which so far isn't questionable is his distribution however when watching the game I did get the distinct impression that following the mistake for the goal the defence preferred to play their way out of trouble rather than give the ball to him.
I've only watched the game once and haven't seen any highlights but that was the impression I got at the time.
Just sitting, thinking, wondering - I wonder if it could be our fault?
From watching him with Atletico - he's not the most spectacular of keepers, not a Casillas type who lives off his reflexes, though he was a good shot-stopper he owed as much to his positioning instincts and preparedness as his agility.
Is it possible we're mid-transition with him? Asking him to take up a different position with respect to defenders - maybe more willing to come out and challenge? Something that he's working on in training but is making him get caught between his normal "instinctive" position and the ones we want him to take up.
Anyway, I reckon he'll recover fast and no one will be doubting him by the end of the season. But then I would think that, because based on his work for Spain's young teams and Atletico I think he's the best young keeper I've seen in years (since Casillas in fact)
From watching him with Atletico - he's not the most spectacular of keepers, not a Casillas type who lives off his reflexes, though he was a good shot-stopper he owed as much to his positioning instincts and preparedness as his agility.
Is it possible we're mid-transition with him? Asking him to take up a different position with respect to defenders - maybe more willing to come out and challenge? Something that he's working on in training but is making him get caught between his normal "instinctive" position and the ones we want him to take up.
Anyway, I reckon he'll recover fast and no one will be doubting him by the end of the season. But then I would think that, because based on his work for Spain's young teams and Atletico I think he's the best young keeper I've seen in years (since Casillas in fact)
Is it only me that isn't worried in the slightest about him? He's let in two easy goals, but from watching him at Atletico I know it's not a normal thing for him. I've been fortunate enough to be sat very close to him both today and at wembley and, even though he looked very disappointed at conceding both goals, his body language looked ok afterwards. The crowd put a lot of pressure on him today but he still looked comfortable with the ball at his feet.
The thing is, he's so young that all the first team football he is getting now is a massive bonus for a keeper. His peak will be in 10 years time and that just puts it into perspective.
The thing is, he's so young that all the first team football he is getting now is a massive bonus for a keeper. His peak will be in 10 years time and that just puts it into perspective.
With any luck his English teacher will keep him away from the tabloids
He has definitely been coming off his line for crosses far more in these two matches for United than he did at Atletico.
So the defenders have actually defended? How very nice of them...
Very well said.
as for De Gea, i felt so bad for him after today's mistake. He will learn and will become a top keeper, we just need to give him support and he shall succeed! thankfully SAF is a master at these things so i am not worried!
he should be used when we have smalling/jones evens partnership..
When rio and vidic play, it should be lindegaard
When rio and vidic play, it should be lindegaard
please do elaborate.
He's been with the squad less than a month and hasn't cost our team any results yet.
Really hope the lad can get a few shutouts soon and his confidence back up. He seems unfazed and professional which is a good attribute to be taken from these troubles.
Really hope the lad can get a few shutouts soon and his confidence back up. He seems unfazed and professional which is a good attribute to be taken from these troubles.
Nobody should be worried. We know exactly how this will go. He'll start off a bit dodgy, everyone will write him off and then he'll become awesome and all the papers and media will forget they ever called him a flop.
His English is quite good no? I don't know if my brain is teasing me but I think I remember him in an interview speaking English on a similar note as Cesc.
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