David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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UnitedBoy said:
he should be used when we have smalling/jones evens partnership..

When rio and vidic play, it should be lindegaard
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I wouldnt go that far, but I would make a point if I was Sir Alex of getting Rio and Vida to spend time with him, get to know him, and help him settle in with them two particularly. I cant imagine he is comfortable enough in himself - not as a footballer, but as a person, to have a moan at two of the best defenders in the world, who are two of the most senior players in the team. I can't imagine when Fletch was breaking into the team that he was giving Keane a bollocking any time he fecked up, Fletch would have just kept his head down.

Its got to eb hard for him to make his personality felt in the squad, he doesnt speak the language for a start. So Rio and Vida need to make sure he knows that despite their seniority, and despite the amount of respect he must surely have for them, the penalty area is his and he has to be comfortable enough to command it without worrying about possibly upsetting the other players. At the end of the day they're all working towards the same goal
 
EvilChuck said:
I wouldnt go that far, but I would make a point if I was Sir Alex of getting Rio and Vida to spend time with him, get to know him, and help him settle in with them two particularly. I cant imagine he is comfortable enough in himself - not as a footballer, but as a person, to have a moan at two of the best defenders in the world, who are two of the most senior players in the team. I can't imagine when Fletch was breaking into the team that he was giving Keane a bollocking any time he fecked up, Fletch would have just kept his head down.

Its got to eb hard for him to make his personality felt in the squad, he doesnt speak the language for a start. So Rio and Vida need to make sure he knows that despite their seniority, and despite the amount of respect he must surely have for them, the penalty area is his and he has to be comfortable enough to command it without worrying about possibly upsetting the other players. At the end of the day they're all working towards the same goal
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Great post in this river of shite.
 
I was (and am) really happy that we got him and didn't take much notice in last week's error. Today's mistake was seemingly a concentration error, rather than any glaring flaw with his ability and he'll get better quickly in that regard.

But it was worrying that he looked a little lost when coming for the ball in the air with players in the box, which is understandable - much more experienced players struggle in the league with some of the rough treatment of goalkeepers - too many times today, West Brom players jumped into him to put him off (cheating basically) and the ref allowed it. I just hope that refs and opposing teams don't feel that he's 'fair game' and weak or he's going to be in for a rough ride.

Long term, I have no doubt that he'll make the position his own but he needs to improve and learn very quickly.
 
Well he knows exactly what to work on now. Getting down quickly for low shots, and bulking up in the gym to be more commanding in the box. Improve those two aspects and he'll be fantastic.

I loved the technique for his save just before the goal today... How he palmed it german-style out of play instead of back into the box. It will take him some time to adjust, we'll just have to be nervous for a few months. God knows we should have some practice after years of keepers way below DDG's skill level before VDS showed up.
 
Press and pundits have been calling for his head since the game against city and they're desperate to destroy him with it being United and big money etc. Redknapp was going crazy alone the little git. Just like he did when he wrote Tevez off, saying he and Rooney were too similar, saying we missed injured Saha.

Hope De Gea comes through it alright. It's basically what ANY England keeper has to deal with when they.make a mistake for country, the press hammer them, write them if after a mistake or two. Green, Carson, Robinson etc. Only difference is, SAF won't ponder to them or let the media pick his teams.
 
He'll get more touches on the ball considering the opposition coming up on the schedule. I feel myself almost waiting for him to get saves.
 
bergen said:
Well he knows exactly what to work on now. Getting down quickly for low shots, and bulking up in the gym to be more commanding in the box. Improve those two aspects and he'll be fantastic.

I loved the technique for his save just before the goal today... How he palmed it german-style out of play instead of back into the box. It will take him some time to adjust, we'll just have to be nervous for a few months. God knows we should have some practice after years of keepers way below DDG's skill level before VDS showed up.
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It's going to take some time for him to bulk up, so I think I will be nervous when the team has to defend setpieces and crosses for the rest of the season. It's also worrying that he seems unable to deal with low shots - did he make similar mistakes with Athletico?

I suppose that's the risk with going with a 20-year old goalkeeper, but the long term rewards could make up for it.
 
The media have been itching for De Gea to make errors. Not because of any anti-United agenda, but because controversy is the only game in town. They are grateful for De Gea's mistakes, as this gives them 'talking points'.
 
Anyone notice how Ducker ran away from the criticism he got over a De Gea comment/joke? What a little girl. If you can't take it, don't start talking crap.
 
He needs to not dive so late - he watches the ball coming, watches it, watches it and finally goes down.

Eric Steele will sort him out.

I rewatched the 05/06 season review the other day (Van Der Sar's first season) he there were quite errors leading to goals there. Not really howlers in the Taibi sense, but technical mistakes like de Gea is making now. Our coaches will fix him up.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
I rewatched the 05/06 season review the other day (Van Der Sar's first season) he there were quite errors leading to goals there. Not really howlers in the Taibi sense, but technical mistakes like de Gea is making now. Our coaches will fix him up.
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Again, every goalkeeper makes mistakes.

What worries me is the nervousness he exudes throughout the defense. Edwin whenever he made a mistake, still maintained a level of command of the penalty area.

Then again, comparing De Gea to VDS is retarded.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Again, every goalkeeper makes mistakes.

What worries me is the nervousness he exudes throughout the defense. Edwin whenever he made a mistake, still maintained a level of command of the penalty area.

Then again, comparing De Gea to VDS is retarded.
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Comparing anyone who doesn't speak the language to VDS is stupid, that's why he doesn't have a level of command, they don't understand a word he's saying.

Once he's learned English he'll be fine, and go on to be the best in the world.
 
charlenefan said:
The confusing thing about the mistakes he's making is that it's basic shot stopping. If he was failing to get to grips with the physical side you could understand it being a young keeper new to the league but especially todays mistake it was as basic as you can get

What's even more worrying than the basic shot stopping errors he's making is that our entire team you could see had zero faith in playing the ball back to him

I never saw him at Atletico but even at this very early stage I'm worrying if he can get back from his first two games :/
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You see, I don't understand why you can't see the problem with this post.

The fact is, as you've pointed out, he is making basic errors, precisely the kind of errors he was NOT making at Atletico. This tells me his problem isn't his ability.

Concentration, confidence...these could be his problems, but not ability. I also think his inability to communicate in English could leave him feeling isolated. There was an instance in the first half when he could've come for the ball, but instead put Fabio under pressure by having him deal with it. That smacked of a problem of communication.

Next, your claim that our players were afraid to pass the ball back to him is flat-out wrong. Memory primer: just think of the number of jeers he got receiving the ball, Brummies trying to put him off (didn't work, of course!).

And the ref ought to be shot awarding that corner after the WB players jumped all over him. Of course the muppets commentating for Sky called De Gea 'shaky', the useless cnuts.

Oh...and Neville needs to punch Redknapp. What a fecking cnut!

I think De Gea will come good, and we have to be patient.
 
olesmyhero said:
I noticed Jones yelling at De Gea for instead of passing the ball quickly, waiting to just boot it up field.
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Aye it was very interesting at the end to see Anderson, Jones and Fabio lecuring to De Gea. Jones was trying his best to describe his words through hand gestures. :D
 
I don't think we should read too much into this perceived 'defenders being afraid to play the ball back to De Gea' thing. This is just an assumption, and they might have simply been taking the pressure off David by not passing-back very often. Besides, there's little wrong with DDG's distribution. As for nervousness, Lindegaard (who I think looks an excellent prospect, by the way, so I'm not at all biased against him) dithered like hell when the ball was played back to him in his most recent appearance, even when attackers were closing-in on him. So, much like the debate over Berba's body language, we can only assume - not know - for definite unless it's 100% clear what the player's feelings actually are.
 
i am not too worried about him because rivals may just hit crosses and crosses and long distance shoots to test him but he will get used to it soon. on the other hand, he cannot read english, so the media cannot create any harm to him at all!

i think he can rectify the problem through practices
 
giggsyflying said:
i am not too worried about him because rivals may just hit crosses and crosses and long distance shoots to test him but he will get used to it soon. on the other hand, he cannot read english, so the media cannot create any harm to him at all!

i think he can rectify the problem through practices
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Aye...but he definitely knew he was being scrutinized when whenever he touched the ball in the first half the West Brom fans would go "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" "Dodgy Keeper!"
 
SteveJ said:
I don't think we can read too much into this perceived 'defenders being afraid to play the ball back to De Gea' thing. This is just an assumption, and they might have simply been taking the pressure off David by not passing-back very often. Besides, there's little wrong with DDG's distribution. As for nervousness, Lindegaard (who I think looks an excellent prospect, by the way, so I'm not at all biased against him) dithered like hell when the ball was played back to him in his most recent appearance, even when attackers were closing-in on him. So, much like the debate over Berba's body language, we can only assume - not know - for definite unless it's 100% clear what the player's feelings actually are.
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But where has this perception come from? In the second half there were loads of times that the defenders played it back to him, and every time the WBA crowd were jeering him to try and make him nervous, he just played it as he wanted, and even showed for it again when he played short. People are just looking for a story, he knew he'd made a mistake and was annoyed at himself for it (I'm sure I saw him shout 'puta' which I believe is Spanish for 'feck'), he didnt look overly nervous until late on when the WBA players were clattering into him on crosses and the ref wasnt blowing for the fouls
 
Lynk said:
Aye it was very interesting at the end to see Anderson, Jones and Fabio lecuring to De Gea. Jones was trying his best to describe his words through hand gestures. :D
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:lol: Fabio's gestures seemed to say "grow a feet or two, good lad".
 
Had to laugh at the commentator saying 'De Gea is finding the PL a bit different to La Liga'; which is a euphemism for: 'In British football - at all levels - people will foul the f*ck out of you if they can't beat you with skill, speed or nous.'
 
He should try to get his body behind the ball more, and get down earlier so that he can use both hands instead of just one outstretched one. It makes for great viewing when you palm off a shot with one hand, but you look rather silly when you it doesn't quite come off.

Still, I'm sure he already knows all this. He needs to put all this behind him quickly, and get back to basics.
 
Have to say that it's a typically brave decision by Sir Alex to sign someone so young & unused to UK football. And we didn't buy him because he was a cheap option either. It would have an been easy, understandable and sensible option for SAF to buy a stop-gap, vastly experienced PL 'keeper for a couple of million or so, but instead SAF backed youth and talent once again. Bravo.
 
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The tabloids are out already lads.


"He’s called David de Gea Quintana. But don’t bother learning all those names. There will be another chap along soon. There has to be."

"The kid’s lack of authority in the six-yard box is even less convincing than his beard"



'Kinell, whats the betting this cnut has never seen him play for Atletico?
 
"He’s called David de Gea Quintana. But don’t bother learning all those names. There will be another chap along soon. There has to be."

"The kid’s lack of authority in the six-yard box is even less convincing than his beard"
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How the hell do writers like this idiot get such high-profile jobs? He'd be better suited to phone-ins, where so many hosts and their callers are attention-seeking morons. Bloody awful 'journalism.'
 
Ferguson would have regretted not signing de Gea, that is all I know for certain now. And the fact he's twenty... Important that the fan's show support for him, this will no doubt be the hardest part of his United career.
 
Lynk said:
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | Sport | Football


The tabloids are out already lads.


"He’s called David de Gea Quintana. But don’t bother learning all those names. There will be another chap along soon. There has to be."

"The kid’s lack of authority in the six-yard box is even less convincing than his beard"
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I'm worried about what effect this will have on David. The knives are well and truly out. The press smell blood and they will keep pummeling him until his form improves.

At 20 years of age, can he take the criticism? The ferocity of the media attention will be higher than he's ever been exposed to before.
 
I don't think we can read too much into his performances so far.

The keeper was terrible today, he really was. I don't see the problem with criticising the performance on it's own merit as long as generalisations don't become part of the equation. Basically, in my opinion, it's ok to say "his performance was absolutely dire" but not to say " De Gea is useless, what a clown this spaniard is" or words to that effect. There's a long way to go with the lad basically.

Anyway as far as De Gea goes I'll have to be honest and admit that I have seen him play no more than five times, if even that, so his performances against City and West Brom are not exactly the most re-assuring that I have seen. Due to the limited amount of times I have seen him, and I would suspect the majority have seen him a similar amount, I'm not in a position to accurately judge just what sort of a player we have on our hands (Although the high praise from Casillas and, of course, Fergie makes me sure theres a lot more to him that he hasn't shown).

On the basis of his two performances for us so far I think it's safe to say that he has a long way to go here. He doesn't seem to have the build that other keepers in the league have which will affect him with the physical side of the game. An example of this was his inability to dominate his area on set-pieces, preferring to try and let his defenders clear the ball rather than drive through for the ball and take control of the situation. This is an absolute necessity in this league and is something that he must work on and improve at. Keepers at top clubs have to be commanding and, although language is a contributory factor, physique and general belief in himself (i.e being confident enough to take control of the situation) seem to be lacking (at this time). The shot-stopping problems, particularly from long range, should be easily enough sorted out if he has the potential everyone says he has- it's making sure that his personality allows him to become more commanding/assured/concentrated that is the issue.

No harm done today in the end, which should alleviate some pressure of him, and hopefully he starts to improve in the coming games.
 
As soon as he signed for United he'd experienced more media scrutiny then he'd ever had before, he'd expect that. I also don't think United would be so naive as to not let de Gea know the kind of media attention he could expect and to ignore the papers, also he does'nt speak English so reading any articles could be difficult.

Also, I've never had so much faith in a 'flop'.
 
An Irish Red said:
I don't think we can read too much into his performances so far.

The keeper was terrible today, he really was. I don't see the problem with criticising the performance on it's own merit as long as generalisations don't become part of the equation. Basically, in my opinion, it's ok to say "his performance was absolutely dire" but not to say " De Gea is useless, what a clown this spaniard is" or words to that effect. There's a long way to go with the lad basically.

Anyway as far as De Gea goes I'll have to be honest and admit that I have seen him play no more than five times, if even that, so his performances against City and West Brom are not exactly the most re-assuring that I have seen. Due to the limited amount of times I have seen him, and I would suspect the majority have seen him a similar amount, I'm not in a position to accurately judge just what sort of a player we have on our hands (Although the high praise from Casillas and, of course, Fergie makes me sure theres a lot more to him that he hasn't shown).

On the basis of his two performances for us so far I think it's safe to say that he has a long way to go here. He doesn't seem to have the build that other keepers in the league have which will affect him with the physical side of the game. An example of this was his inability to dominate his area on set-pieces, preferring to try and let his defenders clear the ball rather than drive through for the ball and take control of the situation. This is an absolute necessity in this league and is something that he must work on and improve at. Keepers at top clubs have to be commanding and, although language is a contributory factor, physique and general belief in himself (i.e being confident enough to take control of the situation) seem to be lacking (at this time). The shot-stopping problems, particularly from long range, should be easily enough sorted out if he has the potential everyone says he has- it's making sure that his personality allows him to become more commanding/assured/concentrated that is the issue.

No harm done today in the end, which should alleviate some pressure of him, and hopefully he starts to improve in the coming games.
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He made one mistake, one.

How that is a terrible performance I don't know.
 
If Tom Cleverley laid a loose pass that resulted in losing a goal I wonder if the press would have jumped to his throat?
 
phelans shorts said:
He made one mistake, one.

How that is a terrible performance I don't know.
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It was the definition of terrible, he was a complete liability today.

If you read the rest of the post you will see that I'm not attacking him or baying for blood or anything like that at all. He's young and inexperienced but the potentials there and he will improve. That doesn't mean that his performance today was anywhere near acceptable though.
 
Sports journalists at one time used to be reasonably clever in how they try to promote debate through controversial opinions.. now they are just common trolls screaming for attention.
 
An Irish Red said:
It was the definition of terrible, he was a complete liability today.
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I repeat, he made one single mistake. ONE, was Fabio terrible? He made a mistake for their goal in giving the ball away cheaply.

If you read the rest of the post you will see that I'm not attacking him or baying for blood or anything like that at all. He's young and inexperienced but the potentials there and he will improve.
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I never said you did.

That doesn't mean that his performance today was anywhere near acceptable though.
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ONE MISTAKE!
 
phelans shorts said:
I repeat, he made one single mistake. ONE, was Fabio terrible? He made a mistake for their goal in giving the ball away cheaply.



I never said you did.



ONE MISTAKE!
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he looked shaky all game FFS.. he should have found a way to catch the ball while the West Brom players are barging into him and putting their hands in their face. Thats what all the greats did for all of their careers.
 
The press reaction is to be expected, they can't wait to see our players fail so they can write crap about them.

I don't think anyone expected him to come to Utd and start performing at a world-class level, he's made some mistakes and he'll learn from these mistakes. SAF will stick with him and support him and I hope the fans do the same. De Gea has all the potential to be a great GK, it's difficult for him atm but once he's grasped the language and kept a clean sheet I think we'll see him play to his normal standards.
 
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