David De Gea vs Wojciech Szczęsny
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Nope but 50 odd games starring for a team that was winning things > 16 or so games for a team that was winning feck all.
Better argument? Didn't think I'd have to spell it out but then I wasn't expecting a dipper in the thread. And we know you dippers don't like judging players these days on trophies won
Szczęsny is very VERY new to top flight football, De Gea has a couple of seasons under his belt winning trophies, there isn't even a fecking argument here. If Szczęsny was put up for sale now you'd be lucky to get half of De Gea's fee for him and rightfully so.
De Gea had 84 appearances altogether for Atletico, that is some feat in itself. He is also part of the reason Atletico's results were slightly better, i mean there is a reason SAF wanted him to replace VDS after all. he made more saves in the box than any other keeper in la liga, and has been praised by pretty much everybody in the footballing world and tipped to take Casillas' spot in the Spanish team. Szczesny has played what, 16 games? He is a good young keeper but there is no doubt who the bigger talent is. A couple of errors of judgement in his first 2 games for us wont change that, these things happen. Van Der Sar made a similiar error for Messi's goal in the final of the champions league, and he is arguably the best/one of the best keepers we've ever had. A 20 year old from a different league will take time to adjust but he will prove who is more worthy in the end. I probably seen at least 50 of his games at Atlético, and he is the real deal.
I'd wait for either to have a full season under their belts to pass the judgment.
Places like Stoke and Bolton are different from anything De Gea faced in La Liga. Let's see how these young keepers deal with 90 minutes of long ball and long throw bombardment into the box with beasts like Kevin Nolan and Kenwyne Jones charging for every ball in the air.
Szczesny was impressive whenever I've seen him but Arsenal defense won't give him the same protection De Gea will have at MU, so he'll have it tougher.
Places like Stoke and Bolton are different from anything De Gea faced in La Liga. Let's see how these young keepers deal with 90 minutes of long ball and long throw bombardment into the box with beasts like Kevin Nolan and Kenwyne Jones charging for every ball in the air.
Szczesny was impressive whenever I've seen him but Arsenal defense won't give him the same protection De Gea will have at MU, so he'll have it tougher.
It takes two to tango.
Szczęsny is 6'5''.
I don't think one member on this forum can effectively compare these two keepers.
Just wait until De Gea bulks up. Szczesny's physique is better suited to the Premier League right now and he's already spent time in English football. Technically I believe De Gea will prove he's the better all round keeper. Just give him time.
Both highly talented keepers, but there's no point discussing it with people who seem to believe that because Szczesny hasn't won anything yet at the age of 20, he's worse than De Gea.
You surely meant Kevin Davies right ?
Or indeed any other two players of vaguely similar ability. Won't stop them trying though.
Darron Gibson won the league... believe me or not, guys, he's not better than Steven Gerrard...
what does that have to do with anything?
Was Darren Gibson first choice in this league triumph you speak of?
Strange one this though, Szczęsny hasn't even played 20 top flight games. De Gea had had 2 successful seasons at the top level.
I don't really see how anyone can think Szczęsny is anywhere near De Gea's level atm.
As for "talent", well judging that is a little retarded just now.
There's no point discussing this at all at this moment IMO. De Gea is out of his comfort zone and needs a settling down period before he can really prove anything. While conversely Chesney has been schooled in English football since he was 16 and is a good young keeper who makes very few mistakes.
Basically your argument of De Gea definitely being better than Szczesny because he's won more trophies than him is a rubbish one. I'm not saying this is the case here, but a goalkeeper could be really average but have an unbelievable team in front of him, and another keeper could be unreal but has an average team in front of him, and hence the average one wins more than the excellent one.
Is De Gea better than Szczesny? Not on current showing. He might well prove himself to be the better keeper through the season though. Who knows? But your argument is awful.
Yep, got two Kevins mixed up.
Indeed. Bizarrely, I think the media as a whole have been rather sensible when it's come to discussing De Gea so far - I was expecting reports about how awful he is, but instead they appear to just be waiting for him to come good. He'll be fine - he'll save a penalty or something and never look back.
This is as idiotic as comparing de Gea and Szczęsny now.
Well you've just decided to take the part of my argument that you can call "awful"... you've nicely missed out the part about him "starring" in the Europa League and Super Cup wins.
De Gea is at a much more advanced stage in his career after having 2 full successful "starring" seasons in the top flight, compared to 16 games in the top flight. Surely even an Arse fan can understand that this isn't an "awful argument", it is simply fact.
He's played more games, indeed. In the games Szczesny's played though, he's been magnificent. It's not his fault he's played fewer games.
And I haven't argued that, I said in my own words "As for "talent", well judging that is a little retarded just now."
But to compare a guy who's played 16 top flight games with a guy who's has 2 very successful top flight seasons under his belt is well, fecking retarded.
Oh, and... I've seen a couple of game where Szczesny was far from magnificent, as is to be expected at his age.
We're discussing goalkeepers who are still a decade away from their prime. I can't comment on who will be better because I don't have a crystal ball, but they are both probably the top young goalkeeper prospects in the game.
As far as the argument over honors and titles... Victor Valdes has a World Cup medal despite not making one single appearance for his national team.
As far as the argument over honors and titles... Victor Valdes has a World Cup medal despite not making one single appearance for his national team.
I literally can't think of a single error Szczesny has made. But you can make one up I guess.
No-one argued that ace, the argument if you just read a couple of posts above went much deeper.
No single United fan would argue on trophies only, we all remember David May.
are you playing stupid because your bum chum storey says "it was all the other guys fault"?
Carling cup final?
Hurrah, the village idiot has well and truly been exposed.
YEP.
in that situation your keeper has 2 options:
1. scream "MY feckING BALL", in which case he needs to take the fecking ball when the defender pulls out.
2. Get away from the fecking defender and scream "AWAY"
Now just because Pete blames the defender and alastair is his disciple doesn't mean that's the truth. A strong keeper makes one of the above decisions and prevents the goal... simples.
edit: In 2 years time there isn't a chance a more experienced Szczęsny concedes that goal.
To be honest, I was at the game, and everyone in the Arsenal end I heard said 'what the feck was Koscielny up to?' It's not just a bloke on an internet forum who thinks it.
You're just making yourself look like a twat now. Some people pull it off more easily than others.
I'd say it could have easily been prevented with better communication between the 2. These things happen, but had it been De Gea who had done something similiar in his first couple of games i'm sure it would have went down as a "howler" so to speak.
Well he gave a penalty away, but it's still hardly an 'error'. He had to come for it because the defending was shocking, and the player nipped in first. You're clutching at straws.
Without doubt it could've been prevented by both.
But in that situation the keeper has to make it clear to the defender as he can see the game. To say Szczesny wasn't at all at fault is ridiculous.
feck off, how is that NOT an error? what is he even doing out there?
He has not one but TWO defenders level with play and between the spuds player and the goal, it's a shocking decision.
Do you reckon he should have stayed on his line and just let Lennon have a clear shot?
Miss a few games last season?
Trust me, I've read all the lovely posts this tired debate has to offer. If you just read my post, I admitted that I, personally, couldn't comment on the matter. The Valdes stat is as you like to say, a fact.
erm.. a clear shot? With 2 defenders in the middle, with Djourou (I think) in-between Lennon and the goal.
God you'd argue to the death when caught red handed wouldn't you?
Against most normal players Chesney would've got there...Lennon is super quick though which he failed to take into consideration.
It was still a mistake, but you would expect a young keeper to make rash decisions like that.
It was still a mistake, but you would expect a young keeper to make rash decisions like that.
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