He'd have not been foolish enough to go there in the first place, but would have made sure he'd brought a better bunch of players in, whatever the budget constraints.
Some of Moyes' signings were as if we were still a decade ago
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He'd have not been foolish enough to go there in the first place, but would have made sure he'd brought a better bunch of players in, whatever the budget constraints.
Some of Moyes' signings were as if we were still a decade ago
Yeah I think the big problem with Moyes is that he's a wholly uninspiring individual. Not a redeeming quality where leadership is concerned. So I struggle to see how any players would really want to play for him or listen to what he as to say even.
Ott. But a russian learns Quantum physics in Chinese? Lol
Hugh Laurie summed Moyes up in a tweet 'Hard to watch David Moyes. Sorrow in a suit'
It was the way we arrogantly made such noise about how we were going to get the succession plan right, and listed the experience needed, winning stuff, major European experience etc.
Then somehow gave it to a guy with zero experience of anything bar upper midtable finished for a team of battlers.
Well, he also did a fairly good job with Chelsea. He won the Europa and steadied the ship. Seeing Benitez at championship was far more strange than him in Real. Benitez as a tactician he is amazing. The problem is that after a point he loses the players, which makes him a second tier manager and not world class. That happened in Inter and Real. I think he is really alike with LVG. Benitez can achieve a lot in international football, where the personal ties with the players usually dont interrupt his job.
Moyes on other hand, quoting Paul Merson, wouldnt win the league with Olympiakos.
I'm actually starting to believe that we did speak to whole host of managers but either they already moved to another club or like Klopp they didn't want to move to us.
"The Relegated One"
If they just gave him six years he would have kept them up
I'm not Russian but you get the point. As for Moyes, although I never really rated him as a manager, I used to think he was a decent guy. The more I read though, the more unpleasant he seems - journos in Preston who hate him from his early days (and this is from sleepy regional press like the Lancashire Evening Telegraph), the stories that he was unpopular with the support staff at United, the slap incident with that female reporter...It creates a picture of someone very good at managing upwards but a prick with people that he does not have to be nice with.
It was one season. Teams have bad seasons. Finished 7th and were out of the CL, then the following year, we were back in it. Chelsea finished 15th last season and may win the title this one. It's too easy to blame Moyes.
You go on like Moyes changed the whole team. He made four signings, two of which who were main stays under Van Gaal and still under Mourinho - those players being Mata and Fellaini. I'd also like to add that, although Herrera was signed under Van Gaal, Moyes made that happen. Same applies to Shaw.
I just think there's a lot of people who like to be over dramatic when it comes to Moyes. He was poor, and was rightly sacked, but it really isn't as bad as some make out.
If anything, having Van Gaal, especially for two seasons, was much more detrimental to our team than Moyes.
1) His style of play was a style we're not used to, i.e. slow build up, organised, possession, etc, whereas at least Moyes had a similar approach to Sir Alex, i.e. getting it wide, crosses, counter.
2) He also had the players like 'robots' using the quote from Schneiderlin, which, as you said, meant the players couldn't be themselves.
3) Made rash decisions and got rid of players who could still be very useful today, i.e. Welbeck, Keane, Hernandez.
4) Signings didn't work. Di Maria, Schneiderlin, Schweinstieger, Darmian, Depay, Valdes and Falcao turned out to be poor signings by Van Gaal.
Having said that, like I said, I still believe we have a good enough team to be challenging for the title, and had it not been for all those draws, we would be. It's all too easy to blame it on past managers.
Yep, pure brave facing it. Then repackaging it as being some sort of "we're a proper club, different to all the managerial merry go round clubs".
And as it became clearer it was a disaster, Fergie himself kept re-adjusting his take on it, to try and act like it was last resort material. Much much different from all the bluster about him being the right stock, going round his house to tell him he was THE man etc etc.
Come here to laugh at Moyes and this is the first post I read, very well put! I couldn't believe it at the time and still can't, the acceptance to it was crazy too, I know it's the past but damn, it's one of the craziest things I've seen a top club do! The only thing Moyes has in common with SAF is the fact he's Scottish, Fergie is a completely different beast.
Hopefully that's the last we'll see if Moyes in the top flight, he really doesn't offer anything to a club, he's weak willed and he shows it.
My defence of Moyes? I couldn't care less. Just find it funny how people are still blaming him for our lack of success. That's what you call ridiculous!
As I said, they've always been in and around the relegation zone for quite a while.
Fortunately for Sunderland, in the last few years, they've been able to get a manager in late on to give them that boost and get some points on the board. That wasn't the case this season.
Barca and Real have in the past given jobs to people with a lot less experience and accomplishments than Moyes had when he joined United.
Then finished 5th the season after.
Bollocks mate.
4th place CL football, Fa Cup win, and very good record against the top sides. Those are 3 things a spineless cnut like Moyes didn't and would have never been able to achieve.
Van Gaal wasn't a huge success by any stretch but it's complete nonsense to say he was as bad as Moyes. You should be embarrassed to even think that let alone say it.
He finished 5th the season after? Missed out on 4th due to goal difference
No but, United are far from the first top club to give an outside the box candidate a top job.
We came 5th last year on goal difference, not 7th.
What I meant was that Moyes had a largely mediocre career for more than a decade before moving to United. With Madrid it's different as they've appointed managers who were unknown quantity.
My bad. But to me, after finishing fourth, then making further signings the following season, you should be looking to progress. He didn't!
If he was a horse, he would have been shot already. So glorious to see this tosspot fail in another gig.
I'm not really defending LVG. I'd say we had more belief under LVG but by then, a lot of damage had been done. I'm not sure how comparable the Chelsea scenario is to us replacing a legend with an incompetent manager. I agree that LVG's brand of football simply did not work for us. But I think Moyes, as a character, simply demoralised the whole club. It would not matter what type of football he'd like to play, with the atmosphere he creates it is all rather pointless.
I really struggle to see one redeeming quality in David Moyes. Louis was a nutter and sometimes funny, and he won an actual trophy. The fact LVG wasn't anywhere near to what we needed, doesn't make Moyes any more competent as a top level manager.
It wasn't a "teams have bad seasons". That's not a very accurate analysis. If your leader aspires to be like your rivals, wants to make it tough for much inferior teams, and deals with the press like a lip-sweating-Nixon, you've got the first factor in why "a bad season" occurred.
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I agree with that and I think he deserved his sacking. But he still did a better job than Moyes
Should have waited for the Championship League club.
I think Ferguson just really liked Moyes and had him for first choice. This is from February 2012
Barca are more than likely about to give their job to a manager Ernesto Valderde whose only titles are in Greece. And he is replacing Enrique who flopped at Roma and had one decent season at Celta on his own before rejoining Barca.
The league got a lot stranger and definitely more difficult (with the rise of Spurs for example) last year. Leicester won it and we finished above both Liverpool and Chelsea.
LvG was bad, but he was never 'Moyes' bad.
If Moyes had any sense he'd do a Keane/Sounness and just go the punditry/coach route. He's fecked his managerial career. I think his ego/insanity won't allow him to do this however.
As an aside when is there going to be a proper piece of journalism on what the feck happened to allow this cnut to become our manager, even without how awful he's been since Old Trafford he never had the credentials to get anywhere near the United job and his impact is still lasting to this day.
As an aside when is there going to be a proper piece of journalism on what the feck happened to allow this cnut to become our manager, even without how awful he's been since Old Trafford he never had the credentials to get anywhere near the United job and his impact is still lasting to this day.
The Moyes season was terrible but, he did not even last a full season, he only signed two players, Fabio was the only player he sold out right, most of the players he worked with are no longer at the club. So people still should not be blaming him for current issues at the club.
Here comes one of his defenders back then.
It's the board's fault. If only they signed Fábregas, Bale, Kroos and Ronaldo like Moyes wanted, they could have reached mid table.
But won the FA Cup.
Moyes would have also been redeemed for that shite clusterfeck of a season if he'd won the FA Cup.
LvG still lost his job and rightfully so, but he lost he job for dropping one league position (on GD) and winning an FA Cup. Moyes lost his job for dropping 6 positions and winning feck all.
And don't get me started on their recorda in the big games.
Yeah but if we had signed Mourinho that year we would have finished top three. That set us back a year.
I'm not blaming him for anything now. But I'm still amazed how he got the job.
Yeah I suppose that's true, and yet Enrique won the Treble at Barca. Of course it's easy to scorn the appointment of Moyes' not that we know what happened.
Vidic & Evra left due to him, Rooney was signed on an insane contract and the squad seemed to take a hit that they never recovered from.
He is certainly to blame for much of what happened post SAF, LVG too isn't blameless.
This is what I think some people often fail to see how him - he's not just shit, he's demoralising. Wasn't there a story about Vidic and Rio leaving a meeting with him and feeling completely bewildered by the experience. It's not just about he who did and didn't sign, it's about him as a person.