Because he won't stop chatting shit and acting as though it was the clubs fault and not his. just read his quotes about us. They scream of delusion. He gave us hell and accepts no responsibility. His lack of humility when he is small time compared to Manchester United. He was lucky to be there and acts as though we missed out by not giving him times as he is champions league level. He is a small time manager with delusions of grandeur.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
There were many stories how Moyes wants to watch players so many times before making any decision. I for one have no doubt we couldn't sign players because of Moyes and him being coward to take any risk.
Still he was a good manager and it's too early to make any call on his Sunderland team.
It happens again and again at every club he's been at. Is that just unfortunate coincidence, no obviously not. He is the common denominator.
The bolded part of your post is the problem with Moyes, he waits and waits and waits and dithers wasting time before making decisions on players and then Charimen have to scramble around late in the window.
At United alone despite getting the job in April/May he waited until July to give the club any targets and also he cost the club £4.5m because he wanted Fellaini but he instructed Woodward not to activate his release clause in July as he didn't want Fellaini to be his first signing. Like it fecking matters what order you sign players in.
We also had a deal lined up for Herrera but he farted about with that because even though he had scouted him extensively in the past, he hadn't watched him in the previous 12 months and wasn't sure if he was the same player. We failed to sign him on deadline day because Moyes waited too long to finally decide we should just go all in to try to get him.
As i said indecision, second guessing, dithering. He must be a nightmare for any Chairman to work with.
Stop defending him, he is Dithering Dave after all, this name doesnt come from nowhere. Plus it was clear that he is dithering in the market, a lot of reports suggested so. The clusterfeck of the Herrera transfer was his doing, then overspending for Fellaini on the last day.
I've watched Moyes' Everton, watched his dire spell with us and this season watched him at Sunderland but I still can't understand what exactly is his brand of football. The other average mid table managers like Pulis. Allardyce, Pardew at least have a defined style of play.
Well, I admit I worded that rather poorly. My point was that even people who fell out with Mourinho, Cristiano Ronaldo for example, tend to point out what a good coach he was. Van Gaal also has a stormy past, but he even has players like Xavi, Iniesta, Schweinsteiger, even Hoeness talk about what a good coach he was. I don't really have a problem with Moyes, I think mid table is his level and I genuinely hope he finds himself another Everton so both us and Moyes can finally move on from his time at United. He's not the absolute highest quality in the way that Jose/Pep/Klopp/Pochettino obviously ard, I get that. But the fact that a number of Everton staff, and a number of Everton fans, were all more than willing to kick him when he was down does suggest a lack of sympathy/respect. That is why I brought up van Gaal specifically, even from his United tenure, Blind, Martial and Fosu-Mensah have good things to say about him. Even Giggs (who many on here accused of being a snake) has come out with praise for him. I think Moyes is (or at least was at Everton) a determined, steely character, but his demeanor clearly grinds on those who work for him, and that has to be accounted for if you want to characterise him as a good manager. He's decent, and will hopefully get back to managing a mid table team, but he isn't a good manager in comparing him to the likes of Garcia, Koeman, Ranieri etc.. Of course, I'm using the word good here as in 'of a high level but below the level of managers suitable for the best teams in the league.'
I'm not trying to defend him - I'm just interested to hear more about why people here tend to go on about him so much. As an outsider looking in it appears very harsh but it's interesting to hear about some of the things that had gone on that I wasnt aware of.
Do a Google search for David Moyes quotes at Manchester United or something like that, and I think it will dawn on you
He actually has a bloody good squad. This guy has such negative targets though. He'll never be a top manager
This.
Also the fact (even admitted by the man himself) that he didn't even start working until he joined in July despite him being appointed in April/May, causing us to fall behind in the transfer market. Compare that to Mourinho, who probably had all signings lined up during our initial talks with him.
The dullest guy and biggest charlatan in the game. Despite that he still gets jobs in top divisions because he's a part of the Manager Recycling Squad.
I'm actually happy every time he fails at a club because if he were to succeed then you can bet your house on him using that to complain about his sacking even more.
The Sunderland squad he has inherited is genuinely terrible, but his additions over the summer period have been just as bad. Taking over a football team in 2016 isn't the same as taking over from Walter Smith in 2002. His pissing about in a summer transfer window is going to cost him yet again.
Someone in my office told me he claimed "he would have challenged for the premier league if he had Lukaku." The guy has such delusions of grandeur. He had Rooney and RVP and came 7th
Dare I suggest that those could be accounts created by Moyes himself? The Jose and Pep line was a dead giveaway since he could not use SAF anymore
Dare I suggest that those could be accounts created by Moyes himself? The Jose and Pep line was a dead giveaway since he could not use SAF anymore
Doubt it's Moyes himself but it wouldn't surprise me if one or a few of his fan boys made them. Handful of people around who still pine for him to this day, and would probably given the choice be happy if we sacked Mourinho tomorrow and reappointed Moyes.
Pretty sure there was someone on here who admitted to being a family member when he was appointed.
Moyes... Moyes... Moyes. The feelings that this cretin stir up in me.
He was actually the reason I joined Red Cafe. I was so venomously angry with what he was doing to Utd, I needed some reassuring words from likeminded Utd fans.
I genuinely can't stand the man.
I always thought he did a decent job at Everton. Working on a tight budget, he managed to bring some good players through while consistently getting Everton to punch above their weight.
That is his level though.
I was horrified at the thought of him taking over from Fergie. Just from watching the man I could see he had zero charisma, old fashioned tactics, and nowhere near enough experience and respect to command the Utd dressing room.
The day I found out he had been sacked evoked a triumphant feeling; almost like I was a prisoner who had been freed from a year of torture and misery.
So... I partly detest him because of what he did to my precious Utd, but the majority of my hate derives from the utter shitewaffles that come from his Scouse noisebox.
It's not his fault that he will never be good enough to successfully manage a big team, and I don't blame him for taking the job. But his insulting quotes, bitter ramblings, complete lack of humility and blaming everyone but himself makes my lip curl everytime I hear or see him.
I genuinely hope he takes Sunderland down or gets sacked before Christmas. His beyond tattered reputation will mean no one in the top leagues will take him and he will eventually end up back in league 2; where he won his only proper trophy.
He was actually the reason I joined Red Cafe. I was so venomously angry with what he was doing to Utd, I needed some reassuring words from likeminded Utd fans.
I genuinely can't stand the man.
I always thought he did a decent job at Everton. Working on a tight budget, he managed to bring some good players through while consistently getting Everton to punch above their weight.
That is his level though.
I was horrified at the thought of him taking over from Fergie. Just from watching the man I could see he had zero charisma, old fashioned tactics, and nowhere near enough experience and respect to command the Utd dressing room.
The day I found out he had been sacked evoked a triumphant feeling; almost like I was a prisoner who had been freed from a year of torture and misery.
So... I partly detest him because of what he did to my precious Utd, but the majority of my hate derives from the utter shitewaffles that come from his Scouse noisebox.
It's not his fault that he will never be good enough to successfully manage a big team, and I don't blame him for taking the job. But his insulting quotes, bitter ramblings, complete lack of humility and blaming everyone but himself makes my lip curl everytime I hear or see him.
I genuinely hope he takes Sunderland down or gets sacked before Christmas. His beyond tattered reputation will mean no one in the top leagues will take him and he will eventually end up back in league 2; where he won his only proper trophy.
I vaguely remember someone claimed that but i think it might have been after he was sacked, someone supposedly had all the inside info on how United poorly treated him and they got it ''straight from the horses mouth'' or something along those lines.
If they're morons (at times or in general) they get called out for it - it's bloody discussion forum, not a cult. Although some would have you believe it's a cult.
Anyway, most of us don't despise Van Gaal anywhere near as much as Moyes and that's because for at least 50% of his time with us, he was generally likeable despite ultimately failing to deliver both in terms of results and entertainment.
Moyes' problems went far beyond transfers, tactics and results - it was his entire demeanour. His spineless, yet ego-centric rhetoric, filled with daft excuses and bizarre glimpses of a child-like mentality that infuriated anyone with half a brain.
Really? Any idea who was it?
Personally I couldn't care less about Moyes. He can say whatever he wants, only idiots will still think he should've been given more time with us, so let him talk, he's only making himself look stupid. Even if Moyes had been a success at Sociedad or turns out to be a success at Sunderland, it doesn't change the fact that he wasn't up for the United job, and we were right to sack him. So I don't get any pleasure in seeing him struggle in Spain and now at Sunderland, just to make the point that he wasn't up for the United job, because he simply wasn't, and he can win the FA Cup or get in the CL with Sunderland for all I care, we still did the right thing back in April 2014. There's no vindication for Moyes regardless of what he do as I see it.
His time at Everton really is overrated. I remember when he was appointed that there were many Everton fans who were both incredulous and happy that he was chosen.
He split opinion there I think - there were those who were happy with flirting with the top 5 or not being in a relegation battle and there were those who thought they should be up there challenging but that his style of football was never going to see that happening.
He split opinion there I think - there were those who were happy with flirting with the top 5 or not being in a relegation battle and there were those who thought they should be up there challenging but that his style of football was never going to see that happening.
It wasn't overrated, Everton had been flirting with relegation for a number of years before he was appointed. After that they were only flirting with relegation in the 03/04 season, otherwise they were always in the top 8 apart from one season.
This fecker is going to get a result against us....Isn't he?!
He better not! I'd be fuming with our team if they ever pull off a shit performance when we play them.
Mind, if continues this way he'll be sacked with a couple of months so might not even get to play us.
I honestly find it hard to believe this joker was once our manager. I like to keep it as a very repressed memory.
I blame the Channel 5 News, when they decided to freshen things up by having Kirsty Young reading the news while perched on the edge of a desk in the newsroom. Its been all bloody downhill since then.
I didn't mean to imply that we were guilty in doing that. I should have said the job broke him. Of course that is purely down to his inability to perform the role.
Nah, it's his own ego that broke him.
He's too proud to cut short his holiday, probably thinking that it'll make him look overeager to start working. He's too proud to accept our coaching staff. He's too proud to use our scouting department (he rejected all our prospective transfer), he's too proud to manage the superstar (I'm not siding with the player on this one, but in Moyes case he should know his place coming from Everton to a title winning side), he's too proud to simply buy Fellaini at his buyout clause, he's too proud to make the Baines purchase thinking he could outsmart Everton by making them an offer they can't refuse (20M for Baines + Fellaini?)
Proud or stupid or blind faith in his own ability, pick one.
add to the above he's tactically inept to manage United.
While this is all true, I dislike the clown based strictly on what he did to us on the pitch. From champions to shite football virtually overnight. He singled-handedly sucked all the joy out of watching United play. Still have nightmares about the Fulham game with the 81 crosses.
No way! Mourinho will destroy any player who underperforms against Moyes!
Your beloved isn't going to know what hit him.
As long as he doesn't "lose" the squad, he'll see this through.
Hope he stays in the bottom 3.
He better stay there long enough to make sure they go down!
That wasn't that bad of a display to be honest. I feel they will avoid relegation.
Felt the Sunderland team were drilled well about what their game plan would be- Just sit back, and try and catch a lucky break. 2 errors by Djibodji and Pienaar cost them 3 points
I agree; away to Spurs is a place that a side like that could be hammered, but Moyes had them working hard to prevent that.
I still think they'll be safe once again this season.
Spurs were pretty wasteful. It could have been a hammering had they been better in the box.
I believe he has become that much of a laughing stock after the United job that players won't even respect his authority anymore. His managerial style is very strict also so having the players full respect is essential for him to do well. He was a good manager but I honestly think he might be done at this level.