David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

shamans said:
As a supporter of Moyes I have been quite disappointed as of late. I am still going to wait. In my opinion, he can still prove to be a very good manager for someone of Sunderland's level if time is given but by time I meant 3-4 months not the 3 years he wants.

Unfortunately, the Totenham game is not going to be easy
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Really interested to know the reason behind this. I find it hard to believe, that any United supporter would call himself a 'supporter of Moyes'. Its one thing wishing him well in his job, like I wouldn't mind seeing LvG do well if he lands up another coaching job. But I wouldn't call myself a supporter of either based on our experience with them.

Its as weird as a Liverpool fan calling himself a supporter of Roy Hodgson.
 
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Didn't see the game. Was the Sunderland vs Everton game as one sided as the scoreline suggested?
 
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pixel said:
Really interested to know the reason behind this. I find it hard to believe, that any United supporter would call himself a 'supporter of Moyes'. Its one thing wishing him well in his job, like I wouldn't mind seeing LvG do well if he lands up another coaching job. But I wouldn't call myself a supporter of either based on our experience with them.

Its as weird as a Liverpool fan calling himself a supporter of Roy Hodgson.
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Do I have to only support good/world class players and managers? I became a fan of Moyes during his Everton reign. Loved his tactics and how he used his squad. I loved the amount of good players that came through that team. I always thought he was a good manager.

United was definitely not his level. We all know that. To be honest with you, I've felt sorry for him after that. He deserved the sack but he's better than what has been happening to him since. I firmly believe he is a solid premier league top 10 manager and I want him to prove himself.

In that sense I support him. I cheer him on and want him to do well. There is a quality manager there (just not United quality)
 
shamans said:
Do I have to only support good/world class players and managers? I became a fan of Moyes during his Everton reign. Loved his tactics and how he used his squad. I loved the amount of good players that came through that team. I always thought he was a good manager.

United was definitely not his level. We all know that. To be honest with you, I've felt sorry for him after that. He deserved the sack but he's better than what has been happening to him since. I firmly believe he is a solid premier league top 10 manager and I want him to prove himself.

In that sense I support him. I cheer him on and want him to do well. There is a quality manager there (just not United quality)
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I see what you mean. I also agree that he is a decent mid-table manager. And I wish him well at Sunderland. In this very thread, I have previously said that given the time, Moyes could do a decent job there. However I have never felt sorry for him, except maybe in the sense that he had his reputation ruined by coming to United and would have been better off staying at Everton.

Also I never said, you should only support world class players and managers. Its just that with the incredibly bitter memories that Moyes has left us, it becomes really hard to acitvely 'support' him. So if you are able to put it behind you and cheer him, then fair play to you. Its something I certainly could never do.
 
pixel said:
I see what you mean. I also agree that he is a decent mid-table manager. And I wish him well at Sunderland. In this very thread, I have previously said that given the time, Moyes could do a decent job there. However I have never felt sorry for him, except maybe in the sense that he had his reputation ruined by coming to United and would have been better off staying at Everton.

Also I never said, you should only support world class players and managers. Its just that with the incredibly bitter memories that Moyes has left us, it becomes really hard to acitvely 'support' him. So if you are able to put it behind you and cheer him, then fair play to you. Its something I certainly could never do.
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I am not bitter towards him because it's not like he purposefully wanted to destroy us. He just wasn't capable enough even though he tried everything he could. I believe he tried his best. He took some risks that didn't pay off (changing backroom staff) and kept trying out different tactics to get us on track but ultimately it wasn't enough.

and other than that I think managing a team like United post Fergie was a huge task. Mourinho is likely one of the only people around that could take a job like that. Just because Moyes could not hack it at that level doesn't mean he deserves to be the laughing stock he has become.

I think Moyes is a better manager than someone like Alan Pardew and I'd like to see him establish himself as such once again.

Anyway despite my support I have to say I have been slightly disappointed. His transfer market was rather poor and the team looks in pretty bad shape. Let's see if he can turn it around. This is one of the exciting things about premier league football for me. Seeing if a manager like Moyes can revive some of his credibility or not. One thing for sure, Sunderland is the perfect challenge for him and imo this really should be his comfort zone.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Didn't see the game. Was the Sunderland vs Everton game as one sided as the scoreline suggested?
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I saw only a few minutes before i slept off but Sunderland were OK before that. Everton had chances which they couldn't score thanks to Pickford and their own inability to finish.

I see the score is 3-0. Their defending till I saw was good. Kone and kirchoff in the team made a world of difference
 
I am sure Moyes and the team did everything in their power to make it difficult for Everton.
 
Stobzilla said:
Think people are just having the boots in now and it is a bit petty in all honesty. He was given a big job, it was too big for him, it would have been too big for all but 3 managers currently in world football, whom we all offered it too before him it turns out.

I'd let him be. He has become a meme for failure and the turn around job he did at Everton merits more than that.
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Its his post sacking comments. He believes that Barcelona, Real Madrid etc is his level and that he didn't get the United job for no reason. Hence he should be managing top european sides so of course people want to see him flop when he is so underservedly arrogant. He also likens keeping Everton competitive to winning the treble and believes he is the best transfer specialist in prem history.

Attila said:
He claims he was treated unfairly by the club and makes all sorts of claims about how if he knew he would be sacked after 10 months he would have acted differently. While also claiming he would do nothing different in his time here. Hard to find sympathy for that

I think one of the reasons he still gets criticism is due to how divisive he was when hired. I was completely against it (wanted Mourinho) but had to listen to how he was the United way and he needs time to show it etc etc and you aren't a real United fan if you don't support him
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Exactly. he's a confused mess. He is sooo arrogant and projects this air that he can do no wrong. Its bizarre and I never would've predicted that from someone who has won nada. He also belittled our entire squad. He is a smug mug. He even said he was right because of Van Gaal's performance with United, when they truth is they were both inadequate time wasters with no fight
 
Needham said:
You guys want to have a chat with yourselves. Its a really unattractive feature of internet fandom how supporters ridicule and bully their ex-managers. Some of the shit on here about Moyes is indistinguishable from the bile projected by Liverpoool fans at Roy Hodgson. After Hodgson left Liverpool, their fans regularly called him owl, lesbian, lesbian owl, big nose, big nose cnut, big nose lesbian owl cnut, lesbian owl cnut, "arl' cnut, 'arl" owl cnut, the foregone conclusion, nobby, arl lesbian oxygen thief, dimitri, the Fulham shitheel, Sun reader, Art Vandelay's Photoshop Thread, and Art Vandelay's arl lesbian owl cnut Photoshop Thread cnut. Let's not stoop to their levels.
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:lol: at a lot of these. to be fair we should be stooping lower as Moyes still has a pop every now and then where as Woy is a gentleman. Lets be creative. can't have the Scouse outwit us
 
In the Skybet sacking odds he is surprisingly only eighth favourite to be sacked at 16-1, with Tony Pulis favourite at evens. Others in danger are Pardew 3-1, Hughes 6-1, Mazzarri & Guidolin both at 10-1, Bilic 12-1, Claude Puel 14-1. I can see many of these going by the new year, in particular managers of Watford, Swansea, & Southampton who seem to think if their sides aren't overachieving then the manager is at fault. Agree Pulis must be favourite though.
 
shamans said:
Just because Moyes could not hack it at that level doesn't mean he deserves to be the laughing stock he has become.
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To be fair i don't think he has became a laughing stock because he failed at United, most people expected him to fail. He has became a laughing stock largely because of his own strange and often delusional comments. He thinks he's a Champions League level manager despite having never actually qualified for the competition.

Look at his recent comments about winning the league with Everton if only he had a centre forward. He does not help himself at all coming out with things like that. I suspect he thinks people believe this stuff and its helping him rebuild his reputation, but it's actually having the opposite effect.
 
Robbie Boy said:
I see they have a 'Sack Moyes now' thread over on RTG :lol:
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That didn't take long, surprised a few already seem resigned to him getting the boot less than a month into the season.

He can only play the hand that Short has dealt him, which transpires isn't a very good one. The concern is where the goals are going to come from. At Everton he had midfielders who would chip in with 5 - 10 goals as well as a couple of options up front. Here he has Defoe and a lot of defensive midfielders. This will be our undoing. We need to make it to January and still be in with a shout of survival and then bring in another striker. It is a big ask
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he has been badly let down by the board in the summer, got to feel for him, jose or pep could do feck all with that shower of shite
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These posts are eerily familiar, jump back 3 years and replace Short with Woodward and you would find many similar posts on here.
 
I think we broke him.

I genuinely thought he'd be able to do a decent job at a club like Sunderland, but it hasn't been a good start.
 
stevoc said:
These posts are eerily familiar, jump back 3 years and replace Short with Woodward and you would find many similar posts on here.
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That doesnt mean they are wrong though - He was on a hiding to nothing at Man Utd as the first manager after SAF (although he obviously made many mistakes) and he is going to need time and money to invest into Sunderland to turn things around at that club (two things he is unlikely to get).
 
Angelinho said:
He will struggle to see out the season at this rate. There's only so long he can continue to get employment on the back of what he did at Everton. Next stop MLS?
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Don't think so. He will probably struggle with the language like he did in Spain.
 
Did Sunderland even sign any players? Regardless of Moyes they seem like a sinking ship.
 
ZDwyr said:
I think we broke him.

I genuinely thought he'd be able to do a decent job at a club like Sunderland, but it hasn't been a good start.
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Yeah, of course, we are the guilty ones. It's not that Moyes is just a shit manager.
 
Vialli_92 said:
Did Sunderland even sign any players? Regardless of Moyes they seem like a sinking ship.
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Signed quite a few players actually.

Djilobodji - £8m
McNair + Love - £5.5m
Pienaar - free
N'Dong - £13.6m
Anichebe - free
Mika - undisclosed
Januzaj - loan
Manquillo - loan
Denayer - loan
 
Raw said:
Signed quite a few players actually.

Djilobodji - £8m
McNair + Love - £5.5m
Pienaar - free
N'Dong - £13.6m
Anichebe - free
Mika - undisclosed
Januzaj - loan
Manquillo - loan
Denayer - loan
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Wow didn't realise it was that much. They look so disjointed with their performances its looking quite bad for them.
 
RedPed said:
Recycling managers like Moyes, Hodgson, Hughes, Pulis, Allardyce etc. really seems pointless to me. Moyes, Sparky and Pulis could be hanging out with Hodgson by xmas at this rate. Moyes is a definite goner though.
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Can't speak for the others but Pulis is popular amongst Premier League chairmen for a very obvious reason. He's basically a relegation reboot. He takes over no hope clubs, plays absolutely terrible football but takes just enough points in the process to survive relegation. Repeat the process over a full season (or a couple of full seasons) and you've got yourself a mid-table premier league team, playing mind numbing football, but in a prime position to make money.

Sam Allardyce is basically an upscale model of the same thing. He has better scouting so can get you top 10 maybe a bit better in a slightly shorter time frame.

I genuinely thought Moyes could come into Sunderland and do the same. He did after all do it at Everton; maybe calling Everton no hopers is harsh but you get the point. His tenure at United seems to have broken him. My memory may be playing tricks on me, but I never remember him coming out with these sorts of quotes during his Everton tenure. Back then he seemed your run-of-the-mill dull British manager, now he seems to have genuinely lost his mind.

Someone a couple of pages back called it perfectly: Sunderland in the relegation zone will sack Moyes, West Brom will get bored with Pulis and sack him, West Brom hire Steve Bruce (and my prediction on top is that they will do well in the first season and a half under Bruce, play decent football, then show a bit of ambition and sign more technically sound players to try and play a better brand of football, and then promptly get relegated), Sunderland get Pulis and Moyes is back giving interviews about being hard done by United.
 
Vialli_92 said:
Wow didn't realise it was that much. They look so disjointed with their performances its looking quite bad for them.
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It's going to get worse before it gets better (when board see light and replace the chosen one).
 
SomeRandomPerson said:
Can't speak for the others but Pulis is popular amongst Premier League chairmen for a very obvious reason. He's basically a relegation reboot. He takes over no hope clubs, plays absolutely terrible football but takes just enough points in the process to survive relegation. Repeat the process over a full season (or a couple of full seasons) and you've got yourself a mid-table premier league team, playing mind numbing football, but in a prime position to make money.

Sam Allardyce is basically an upscale model of the same thing. He has better scouting so can get you top 10 maybe a bit better in a slightly shorter time frame.

I genuinely thought Moyes could come into Sunderland and do the same. He did after all do it at Everton; maybe calling Everton no hopers is harsh but you get the point. His tenure at United seems to have broken him. My memory may be playing tricks on me, but I never remember him coming out with these sorts of quotes during his Everton tenure. Back then he seemed your run-of-the-mill dull British manager, now he seems to have genuinely lost his mind.

Someone a couple of pages back called it perfectly: Sunderland in the relegation zone will sack Moyes, West Brom will get bored with Pulis and sack him, West Brom hire Steve Bruce (and my prediction on top is that they will do well in the first season and a half under Bruce, play decent football, then show a bit of ambition and sign more technically sound players to try and play a better brand of football, and then promptly get relegated), Sunderland get Pulis and Moyes is back giving interviews about being hard done by United.
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Everton may turn out to be his only decent spell. Failed at United. Failed at Sociedad. Failing at Sunderland. You cannot call him a good manager when he has failed at 75% of his clubs and won nothing during his "successful spell"
 
Stacks said:
Everton may turn out to be his only decent spell. Failed at United. Failed at Sociedad. Failing at Sunderland. You cannot call him a good manager when he has failed at 75% of his clubs and won nothing during his "successful spell"
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Does 'making it hard for Newcastle, but still losing' counts as trophy? If not, then you have to give him the Community Shield and the League Two promotion trophy.

Wonderful manager all things considered. Who needs Mourinho when we just hired David Moyes as our manager?!
 
Revan said:
Does 'making it hard for Newcastle, but still losing' counts as trophy? If not, then you have to give him the Community Shield and the League Two promotion trophy.

Wonderful manager all things considered. Who needs Mourinho when we just hired David Moyes as our manager?!
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Dont get the amount of schadenfreude Moyes gets on this forum tbh, I say this as a Spurs fan who had Tim f'ing Sherwood as our manager whom I utterly despised but if he gets another job elsewhere I would still wish him well (as would many other Spurs fans). You guys really tend to go hard on ex failed managers and ex players also for that matter in my (brief) experience on these forums. Any particular reason for that?
 
Stacks said:
Everton may turn out to be his only decent spell. Failed at United. Failed at Sociedad. Failing at Sunderland. You cannot call him a good manager when he has failed at 75% of his clubs and won nothing during his "successful spell"
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It's staggering when you put it like that, but his Everton tenure also takes up the majority of his managerial career. And I'm sure he must have done OK at Preston North End to get the Everton job.

As for being a good manager, he clearly isn't. At least not unless you set a very low bar for 'good'. Rudi Garcia is 'good' manager, Ronald Koeman is a 'good' manager (good may be underrating him a bit), Roger Schmidt is a 'good' manager (again possibly underrating a bit), David Moyes is average at best. I generally had a decent opinion of Moyes at Everton, they had a decent scouting network, produced good players, always seemed up for a fight; his Man Utd team were the complete opposite. And to make it worse, staff from Everton were seemingly lining up to stick the boot in on him when he was struggling here, with constant reference to what a miserable git he was, and how Roberto Martinez's positive attitude was a breath of fresh air. If he were a good manager, you'd think people (with the notable exception of Kevin Kilbane and Leon Osman) would remember him more fondly.
 
SomeRandomPerson said:
It's staggering when you put it like that, but his Everton tenure also takes up the majority of his managerial career. And I'm sure he must have done OK at Preston North End to get the Everton job.

As for being a good manager, he clearly isn't. At least not unless you set a very low bar for 'good'. Rudi Garcia is 'good' manager, Ronald Koeman is a 'good' manager (good may be underrating him a bit), Roger Schmidt is a 'good' manager (again possibly underrating a bit), David Moyes is average at best. I generally had a decent opinion of Moyes at Everton, they had a decent scouting network, produced good players, always seemed up for a fight; his Man Utd team were the complete opposite. And to make it worse, staff from Everton were seemingly lining up to stick the boot in on him when he was struggling here, with constant reference to what a miserable git he was, and how Roberto Martinez's positive attitude was a breath of fresh air. If he were a good manager, you'd think people (with the notable exception of Kevin Kilbane and Leon Osman) would remember him more fondly.
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So by that logic you are saying that if you are liked by people you work with then you are a good manager. Pretty sure that if you asked some of the people who have worked with Mourinho in the past it would not all be positive, doesnt make him a bad manager.
 
balaks said:
That doesnt mean they are wrong though - He was on a hiding to nothing at Man Utd as the first manager after SAF (although he obviously made many mistakes) and he is going to need time and money to invest into Sunderland to turn things around at that club (two things he is unlikely to get).
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They are though, he didn't fail at United because the board didn't back him. Woodward and United backed him in everything he wanted to do, but lack of preparation, unrealistic targets, wanting to sign players in a particular order and a huge dose of dithering lead to us scrambling around late in the window trying to sign players and then settling on one of Moyes ex-players.

Cut to 3 years later and Sunderlands transfer dealings this summer have been very similar. Everton always waited until very late in the window to sign anyone, it was after all their fans who started calling him dithering Dave.

At some point people have to wake up and realize that the boards and chairmen at a string of clubs aren't conspiring to keep down the managerial genius that is David Moyes. No it's actually Moyes who sabotages himself through indecision and second guessing every decision he makes, which makes life difficult for any chairman who has to secure his targets.
 
stevoc said:
No it's actually Moyes who sabotages himself through indecision and second guessing every decision he makes, which makes life difficult for any chairman who has to secure his targets.
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How can you be so sure it was Moyes that was the problem in that situation - at most clubs the manager gives a list of players he feels would improve the team and its up to the chairman, etc. to deliver those targets. Could be a multitude of reasons that he didnt maybe get the targets he wanted, many of which may have nothing to do with him at all.
 
A lot of the hostility towards Moyes comes from him blaming everyone and everything except himself for his failings. Also his delusions of grandeur is tiresome to say the least.

If he was a humble and not so deluded people would give him more leeway.
 
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