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David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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Lol, another thread where this Wumminator character proves he has low standards for this football club.
This reminds of how last year he wanted LvG to stay and was saying he was better than Mou early on in the season.
People need to stop arguing with him. He's a lost cause.
This reminds of how last year he wanted LvG to stay and was saying he was better than Mou early on in the season.
People need to stop arguing with him. He's a lost cause.
Even when he was in the middle of his Everton tenure I never saw Moyes as a top level coach. His football at Everton wasn't that bad to start off with, but it was a sign of the times - hit ball out wide cross in to striker etc - that's why players such as Jeffers excelled for a season or two only to be found out when playing for technically better sides.
As football in England began to get more and more technical (as witnessed by our own evolution from '99 to '08) you could see Moyes Everton begin to get left behind, he became more and more risk adversed he was chosen purely on the fact he looked liked he could offer stability and continuation (like the Dippers boot room)
He failed at united and was given way to much time as it was. I'm all for supporting a manager but, unlike SAF, there wasn't progress under him at all. I saw united in the 80's and I can say 100% that in Fergies early years there was more forward steps than backward steps.
Moyes had his friends in media (what manager or player doesn't nowadays) And does get favourable opinion. If say, a foreign manager was at Sunderland, the clamour to get him sacked would be unbearable, in fact if you look at Bradley's tenure at Swansea and Moyes at Sunderland over the same amount of matches I'm sure you'll see a similar amount of points, yet Bradley was vilified in the press and also as far as I recall he didn't come out and say that his team wasn't good enough either (if I'm wrong sorry!)
Anyone defending Moyes doesn't support united in my eyes, he was the wrong boss at the wrong time and never in a million years should he have been given the job. But mistakes are made and we get on with things.
He will take Sunderland down, a fact that doesn't bother me one slightest bit to defend him is just plain idiocy.
As football in England began to get more and more technical (as witnessed by our own evolution from '99 to '08) you could see Moyes Everton begin to get left behind, he became more and more risk adversed he was chosen purely on the fact he looked liked he could offer stability and continuation (like the Dippers boot room)
He failed at united and was given way to much time as it was. I'm all for supporting a manager but, unlike SAF, there wasn't progress under him at all. I saw united in the 80's and I can say 100% that in Fergies early years there was more forward steps than backward steps.
Moyes had his friends in media (what manager or player doesn't nowadays) And does get favourable opinion. If say, a foreign manager was at Sunderland, the clamour to get him sacked would be unbearable, in fact if you look at Bradley's tenure at Swansea and Moyes at Sunderland over the same amount of matches I'm sure you'll see a similar amount of points, yet Bradley was vilified in the press and also as far as I recall he didn't come out and say that his team wasn't good enough either (if I'm wrong sorry!)
Anyone defending Moyes doesn't support united in my eyes, he was the wrong boss at the wrong time and never in a million years should he have been given the job. But mistakes are made and we get on with things.
He will take Sunderland down, a fact that doesn't bother me one slightest bit to defend him is just plain idiocy.
@Wumminator Btw, if you can get the persuasion from the mod, by the time I signed up to the newbs, I was trying to inject some positivity after we lost to Newcastle and Everton b2b at OT, but I never rated 'The Chosen One' and sure as shit didn't expect him to amount to anything.
He went 48 fecking away matches without a single win against the established top 4, that betrays a safety first, cowardly mentality that in no way, shape or form befitting a club like Utd.
He went 48 fecking away matches without a single win against the established top 4, that betrays a safety first, cowardly mentality that in no way, shape or form befitting a club like Utd.
He beat City away
Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal
It's just a selective stat. By the end he had beaten city and stopped us winning the league with Everton's performance. He's clearly not a great manager, however nothing wrong wth supporting him at the time.
when they weren't even a top 4 team (finished below Spurs the season before). It's not a selective stat, he went 11 years without winning a single game at Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd, and he was not managing a complete underdog at the time - Everton consistently had the 6th - 7th highest payroll in the country.Who cares about Klopp and Mourinho when we just got David Moyes.
There are plenty of wrong supporting him at the time, since he had no winning pedigree and has stagnated massively at Everton for a long period of time.
I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt at the time, especially after Fergie's 'Get behind your manager' farewell speech, but deep down every knowledgable Utd fan knew that he was not up to scratch and it was more desperate/blind optimism rather than any sort of objective perspective.
Good put down.
fecking Moyesy dragged my beloved club into unfathomable debts and disrespected SAF just for good measure. He can feck right off. Amusing that there's still people defending him.
When we hired Moyes at the time, I was as certain as a man can possibly be without being able to tell the future that Moyes would be a failure at United
But you'd think a man who only a few years ago was considered good enough to replace Sir Alex Ferguson would be an instant legend at a club like Sunderland. But the way they even think he's shite just makes our decision to hire him seem even more insane
But you'd think a man who only a few years ago was considered good enough to replace Sir Alex Ferguson would be an instant legend at a club like Sunderland. But the way they even think he's shite just makes our decision to hire him seem even more insane
Drugs make it easier to digest.All logic was thrown out of the window during that appointment.
I still contend that the people in charge were either drunk, drugged or both.
I honestly think he's the worst manager in the league. I can't think of anyone less likely to win a trophy.
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Do you hav the thread? I want names to shame.
Great post!
Don't feel like a worse fan because Wumminator does something different than you or has a different opinion. There are many ways to go about supporting your own team and you don't have to follow Wumminator's handbook on how to be a top red to enjoy supporting your club.
I think everyone gets why moyes was given a chance mate. But when loyalty slips into blind faith people have every right to question the supporters.
Also sitting in a particular part of the ground doesn't make you more loyal or diehard than anyone else.
I actually remember someone claiming Moyes was better than Wenger when it was announced we were hiring him
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Christ i didn't expect him to be this clueless
He didn't stagnate at Everton. There was and still is a ceiling which the club can't yet break through. Now with Moshiri and the new project things can change with a few more transfer windows.
Christ i didn't expect him to be this clueless
Have you read my posts?
Do i have to? Peoples reaction and you getting all defensive with the top red jibes say it all
He bitched about mourinho and ibra before they came, the get behind the team or manager or whatever line he is taking now was made up on the spot.
Fair point. Apologies to anyone I offended with that post.
Anyone that takes Twigg and his top red nonsense seriously deserves to be wummed imo.
You can just ignore him. He obviously feeds of the reaction he gets of fishing for reactions online. That says quite a lot about him and is rather sad.
As for David Moyes, what a terrible appointment but I largely stuck by him because Fergie told me to. I loved the man and believed that he maybe saw something that we didn't. It was only through the course of Dave's reign that I realised that I had zero faith in his abilities when I knew I had wasted my time.
You can just ignore him. He obviously feeds of the reaction he gets of fishing for reactions online. That says quite a lot about him and is rather sad.
As for David Moyes, what a terrible appointment but I largely stuck by him because Fergie told me to. I loved the man and believed that he maybe saw something that we didn't. It was only through the course of Dave's reign that I realised that I had zero faith in his abilities when I knew I had wasted my time.
Hold that thought.
What was that about acting like you're somehow superior?
I just read through the thread and you were pretty much the only poster making sense. Some of the other posts make me cringe.
I actually joined Red Cafe because I was so furious at his appointment and needed to vent.
I have no idea what you are trying to get at in that post.
I think those who supported Moyes at the start were in the right.
I think those who regularly go games are "better" fans. As in they are the heartbeat of the club.
Stop ruining the thread, people. He's very obviously trying to wind you up, and succeeding.
Stop ruining the David Moyes Sunderland manager thread people. It was the pinnacle of the forum before.
A good man, a honest man, a hard-working man....
A living, breathing man.
A living, breathing man.
I don't think anyone would argue against that. As I already said, about 99% of our support base were behind Moyes at the start. Its possible that quite a few were apprehensive about how it would pan out, but still most were supportive of him. They wanted to give him a chance, if only for Fergie's sake.
However if by 'start' you are referring to his entire 7 month tenure, then obviously its a whole different matter.
Don't want to derail the thread any farther by responding to this.
We are literally arguing about this in the thread. That is literally what I have been saying.
It all started so well, community shield done then that 4-1 over Swansea. I was right behind him up until around December when dour football started to take over, I guess the players had resisted his input until then. In terms of bleakest moments that Fulham game and Liverpool game were horrible. Sunderland isn't below his level but he is damaged goods, players will have doubts exactly as fans do.
He's not the absolute worst, but he's right up (or down?) there with the crowning turds of British management e.g. Roy Hodgson, Steve Mcclaren and Neil Warnock.
Rubbish. The global appeal of the club is. I was born and bred as a Sporting fan, live near the stadium but i never lecture or call Sporting fans who live outside Lisbon as "lesser" fans. I actually enjoy having Sporting fans all over the world. I travel alot and i think it's a credit to the club having fans in Brazil, Angola, China, Poland and Japan. And the club likes it as well. Sporting just brought a brazilian Sporting fan to Lisbon all expenses paid because he loves what our club stands for. He has a webpage where he speaks about his love for Sporting, our history, our ecletism (we are as big as Barcelona in what concerns other sports, handball, hockey, basketball, athletism, futsal etc) and he does a great job for free and gets other people to know us. I consider him equal as fan.
I know you are just a wum and i'm wasting my time with this but i just hate this close mindedness. What next? Brexit is brexit approach here? Only English/mancunian fan are real fans?
This. You aren't a better fan because of where you were born, you're just lucky. That's the equivalent of the child of a billionaire saying that they're smarter than you because they were born into fortunate circumstances.
Jeffers didn't play for Moyes Everton. He left the season before