David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Marching said:
:rolleyes: Storm in a teacup about a harmless throwaway comment.
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Come on, there's something a bit mental about it. If I was videotaped in work saying "jokingly" that i would slap a female colleague and a complaint was made I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Not that anyone actually thinks he would slap her but as @TLW says, he's clearly trying to put her in her place because he's the big man. What little sympathy i had for the man drained away with that.
 
Watched the video. All he's really guilty of is a bad joke. They were laughing. I don't think the reporter felt threatened in the slightest, maybe a slightly embarrassed for him. It was kinda pathetic as most things are with Moyes these days.

It says a lot about our society that this is becoming such a story. I mean most people can see that it was harmless. But they can't resist the desire to see someone punished. They'd prefer invent a more serious undertone or completely ignore context than just admit it was basically nothing. There's people who even want him to lose his job over it. It's pathetic.
 
Her question obviously made him uncomfortable so he was looking for a sly joke to make himself feel better. It's childish more than anything else.
 
GBBQ said:
Come on, there's something a bit mental about it. If I was videotaped in work saying "jokingly" that i would slap a female colleague and a complaint was made I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Not that anyone actually thinks he would slap her but as @TLW says, he's clearly trying to put her in her place because he's the big man. What little sympathy i had for the man drained away with that.
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Just shows how mental the politically correct world has gone. If nobody thought he was actually going to slap her what's the fecking problem. It was a nothing comment meant as a joke and taken as a joke by the recipient.

If this is what gets peoples knickers in a knot then god help us! FFS
 
Absolute storm in a teacup. Completely harmless comment, meant as a joke and duly taken as one.
The FA can't resist sticking their nose in to find a way of fining Moyes and making a few quid. I see they've rolled out the classic "asking <insert name here> to explain their comment" line. What a load of absolute gonads. What do they expect him to respond with? This is the same FA that still allow Sam Allardyce to manage in the English game, surely what he did was much, much worse?!
 
Irony of the anti PC brigade getting their nickers in a twist more than anyone else in this thread. :lol:

Similar to the Alt Right being more 'snowflakish' than any liberal I've ever met.
 
Moyes reacted that way because he was uncomfortable with the line of questioning. Considering the questions he's been asked since, it wasn't the shrewdest approach.
 
Claymore said:
Just seen this on BBC news, and first thought is media blowing up something out of nothing. The whole newspapers and tv news is filled with nonsense 'celebrity' news or over reactions to things like this. Its not sexist in anyway. Seen the quote and can't find anywhere where he said he'd slap her because shes a woman, in fact he said the opposite, he was given her a bit of respect for being a woman, meaning women shouldn't be hit ideally.

The fact I'm wasting my time posting about this non story, typical BBC/mainstream news blowup out of nothing is only adding to the problem. Best thing we can all do is ignore it, and ignore any other do gooder groups or spokespeople who chip in over reacting to whatever group they represent. Of all the serious things going on, that we should be reacting about, nonsense like this gets headline, attention, punditry comments and radio debate. At the end of the day, its football, get a grip.
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I don't quite get this. These "do gooder" groups tend to be reacting due to bigger serious things going on. I initally thought it was nothing however I can understand from a womans point of view that, this is a woman in a very small minority of sports journalists, trying to go about her job in a masculine environment and being threatened with violence. With the levels of domestic violence that occurs, which we tend to underestimate, do you think its ok to threaten women with violence for doing their jobs? Do you think as a high profile person he should be encouraging violence towards women?
 
Stacks said:
I don't quite get this. These "do gooder" groups tend to be reacting due to bigger serious things going on. I initally thought it was nothing however I can understand from a womans point of view that, this is a woman in a very small minority of sports journalists, trying to go about her job in a masculine environment and being threatened with violence. With the levels of domestic violence that occurs, which we tend to underestimate, do you think its ok to threaten women with violence for doing their jobs? Do you think as a high profile person he should be encouraging violence towards women?
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Well said Stacks, thank you.
 
Stacks said:
I don't quite get this. These "do gooder" groups tend to be reacting due to bigger serious things going on. I initally thought it was nothing however I can understand from a womans point of view that, this is a woman in a very small minority of sports journalists, trying to go about her job in a masculine environment and being threatened with violence. With the levels of domestic violence that occurs, which we tend to underestimate, do you think its ok to threaten women with violence for doing their jobs? Do you think as a high profile person he should be encouraging violence towards women?
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:lol: FFS Nobody, including the reporter herself, felt Moyes was about to grab her by the throat and put her up against a wall or even slap her. Mountain. Molehill.
 
Marching said:
:lol: FFS Nobody, including the reporter herself, felt Moyes was about to grab her by the throat and put her up against a wall or even slap her. Mountain. Molehill.
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We don't know what the woman was thinking and I never said anyone thought this. you are using hyperbole. I see the context is lost on you pal. If you had a wife and her male boss had said that to her in a joking way, I imagine you would react a bit differently. (Or even a daughter to be fair)
 
Stacks said:
We don't know what the woman was thinking and I never said anyone thought this. you are using hyperbole. I see the context is lost on you pal. If you had a wife and her male boss had said that to her in a joking way, I imagine you would react a bit differently. (Or even a daughter to be fair)
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Aren't you making an assumption of your own with that last part? I would say if both parties involved have laughed it off then to react a bit differently (by which you clearly mean take offence by) would look a bit silly as you'd be outnumbered by people who saw it for the joke that it was.
 
TLW said:
Let's be honest, he's threatened far worse to Bart Simpson down the phone.
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Louise Tayler of the Guardian makes a good point: while it's pretty clear that Moyes was speaking in jest, would he have made a similar comment to a male reporter asking an uncomfortable question? It's not so much the idea that he would likely follow through (it was after all, pretty clearly in jest, however awkward the attempt at humour may have been,) but rather more an indication of the contempt female reporters are held in by people like Moyes (ie. 'as a woman, you don't have the right to go there...') Anyways, that's also how I see it. Not sure he should lose his job over it, though.
 
jem said:
Louise Tayler of the Guardian makes a good point: while it's pretty clear that Moyes was speaking in jest, would he have made a similar comment to a male reporter asking an uncomfortable question? It's not so much the idea that he would likely follow through (it was after all, pretty clearly in jest, however awkward the attempt at humour may have been,) but rather more an indication of the contempt female reporters are held in by people like Moyes (ie. 'as a woman, you don't have the right to go there...') Anyways, that's also how I see it. Not sure he should lose his job over it, though.
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Do you think so? So let me ask you a question. Do you think that Moyes would have used the same words if there was Roy Keane interviewing him rather then Ms Sparks? Would someone like Roy Keane taken it as a joke?

I think that Moyes knew exactly what he was saying and he camouflaged it as a joke to get his message through while escaping any sanctions that would have occured afterwards. Which makes things even worse. I can sympathise with a person who loses his cool. This is not Moyes best moment of his career and that question was rather cruel given the circumstances. However, as said Moyes didn't lose his cool. He knew exactly what he was saying, which makes it a much worse threat.
 
Marching said:
:lol: FFS Nobody, including the reporter herself, felt Moyes was about to grab her by the throat and put her up against a wall or even slap her. Mountain. Molehill.
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What do you expect her to say? If she caused a scene then rest assured that most managers would starting avoiding her like the plague. We've already seen what happened with Eva Carneiro. Where is she now? Ah yes, in Gibraltar, there's plenty of top clubs there that need her services.

I've worked with many women who made their way in a man controlled world. I happen to be married to one. Most of them succeeded only because they chose to ignore certain insults and threats thrown at their way.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think that Moyes would have used the 'slapping' joke if Roy Keane or Vinnie Jones were interviewing him? I much doubt it
 
devilish said:
Do you think so? So let me ask you a question. Do you think that Moyes would have used the same words if there was Roy Keane interviewing him rather then Ms Sparks? Would someone like Roy Keane taken it as a joke?

I think that Moyes knew exactly what he was saying and he camouflaged it as a joke to get his message through while escaping any sanctions that would have occured afterwards. Which makes things even worse. I can sympathise with a person who loses his cool. This is not Moyes best moment of his career and that question was rather cruel given the circumstances. However, as said Moyes didn't lose his cool. He knew exactly what he was saying, which makes it a much worse threat.
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I can't tell if you and I are in agreement or not.
 
Minimalist said:
Irony of the anti PC brigade getting their nickers in a twist more than anyone else in this thread. :lol:

Similar to the Alt Right being more 'snowflakish' than any liberal I've ever met.
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I'd argue there's a difference. One side is reacting to a fairly harmless joke. The other side is reacting to calls for a person to lose their job over a fairly harmless joke. A joke = trivial. Someone potentially getting sacked over a joke = important, potentially precedent setting and an indictment on where our society is going.

Hope that helps you understand
 
Someone should photoshop his head onto Brent's when David is called into the office for making the bread-bin joke:

"I was nottt making a sexist joke; I was talking to people on their level...."
 
I don't think they've scored a goal in two months. That's what he should be sacked for.
 
devilish said:
What do you expect her to say? If she caused a scene then rest assured that most managers would starting avoiding her like the plague. We've already seen what happened with Eva Carneiro. Where is she now? Ah yes, in Gibraltar, there's plenty of top clubs there that need her services.

I've worked with many women who made their way in a man controlled world. I happen to be married to one. Most of them succeeded only because they chose to ignore certain insults and threats thrown at their way.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think that Moyes would have used the 'slapping' joke if Roy Keane or Vinnie Jones were interviewing him? I much doubt it
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Don't be silly Dev....this isn't the first time she's interviewed Moyes and she will have known it was said in jest....just the same way if it had been a male reporter he could have said the same thing. Calm down dear ;)

Stacks said:
We don't know what the woman was thinking and I never said anyone thought this. you are using hyperbole. I see the context is lost on you pal. If you had a wife and her male boss had said that to her in a joking way, I imagine you would react a bit differently. (Or even a daughter to be fair)
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The sound of her laughing and failing to have a go back at him suggests she took it in the manner it was intended. It is all about context and if my wife's boss said the same in the same jokey way I'm sure she'd have laughed it off too as would I.
 
Marina Hyde said:
The question does have to be asked: are men really cut out for these high-profile roles in football, with their emotionalism, their irritability (much more than monthly), and their tendency to say something “heat of the moment” when under pressure? Would they not be better suited to clerical positions within the game, or its “caring” roles – ie the physio department, or the press office?
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:lol:

The Great Moyes Debate has begun:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/apr/04/slap-joke-david-moyes-sunderland
 
Marching said:
Don't be silly Dev....this isn't the first time she's interviewed Moyes and she will have known it was said in jest....just the same way if it had been a male reporter he could have said the same thing. Calm down dear ;)



The sound of her laughing and failing to have a go back at him suggests she took it in the manner it was intended. It is all about context and if my wife's boss said the same in the same jokey way I'm sure she'd have laughed it off too as would I.
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Her laughing doesn't prove anything on its own, people laugh when they're uncomfortable too.

I find it strange that so many people have somehow made it to the year 2017 without realising that even jokingly threatening to slap a woman is a bizzare thing to do in a professional environment.
 
Marching said:
Don't be silly Dev....this isn't the first time she's interviewed Moyes and she will have known it was said in jest....just the same way if it had been a male reporter he could have said the same thing. Calm down dear ;)



The sound of her laughing and failing to have a go back at him suggests she took it in the manner it was intended. It is all about context and if my wife's boss said the same in the same jokey way I'm sure she'd have laughed it off too as would I.
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You're a bit naive if you think everyone could happily go around jokingly threatening to slap women, and everyone would laugh it off. It's odd behaviour at best.
 
The sound of her laughing and failing to have a go back at him suggests she took it in the manner it was intended. It is all about context and if my wife's boss said the same in the same jokey way I'm sure she'd have laughed it off too as would I.
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That doesn't confirm anything. You can't possibly have gone through life without ever having to laugh something off just to finish the discussion with some cretin at school, work or wherever.

It's not about her really. I don't think Moyes should be sacked for it at all. It does however paint him as a right cringeworthy passive aggressive cnut and I'm happy that's been shown.

If you don't think it was a thinly veiled threat he made against her (in the form of a joke...that he awkwardly repeats twice for good effect) then I question your hearing ability.
 
Who would deliver the fatal blow, Moyes or his henchmen? He did let her off with a warning... until next time

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He always comes across as prickly when interviewed by the BBC. Have seen him a handful of times try to keep his cool or to make a stupid comment after a pretty innocent question.
 
He's got the same initials as the Daily Mail, so he should be tarred and feathered.
 
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