Guys why don't you just let a decent amount of games take place before deciding this or that about his time there.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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I'm sorry, it may not be fair but I just have to laugh at his situation. The guy is clueless, contrast what he did in his first few months to Mourinho or even LVG and it becomes clear how laughable his appointment with us was.
The more I read about his management style, the more I'm stunned by the minute success he has achieved in his career.
Nothing much gonna change, a bad game is temporary, a bad manager is permanent.
It's not like he learnt from his fall from grace, he's doing exactly what he has been doing so far, not even his Presser changed.
If you don't continually change then the luck won't change.
I'm not watching enough of sunderland, but do you see anything different in their approach?
Managers can only work so much with what's given to them, but with many other good managers the change is noticeable at least, the approach to the game, the positivity, the mentality, the unity, and many other things surrounding a new manager appointment (assuming it's a good manager being appointed).
I see nothing much from the comment I read, no hype no excitement, expectations. Same old same old.
He basically did the same in his first month at United, he's a real inspirational leader.
Him and Fergie are cut from the same cloth you know.
before a ball was kicked he said he would take 4th from bottom. Gonna be a long season for those fans
Well it depends what he means by a big job. If he means he was offered Chelsea, Arsenal, City level jobs then he's obviously talking out his hole as no top team would be stupid enough to even consider him for manager based on his football record alone.
He's probably referring to that time the Daily Star linked him with the Chelsea job.
Reading the Sunderland forum is a great laugh at the moment. It's such a miserable and hostile forum and almost anything goes. Safe to say Moyes and his negative attitude isn't inspiring any confidence on there.
It's quite incredible that this guy was our manager.
Not really. They still seem very over-reliant on Defoe and when he is not there or off form there is a serious lack of ideas.
Januzaj was a big plus for them yesterday, but then in the second half they barely passed him the ball which was strange as he had alot of joy in the first half.
Never forget
Look at that inspiring face, the confidence radiating from the man, the belief, the swagger and the competence.
Look at that inspiring face, the confidence radiating from the man, the belief, the swagger and the competence.
Extraordinary. It's simply setting the bar so low that if he achieves that goal he can claim success whilst if they get relegated he can always claim to have said it was likely.
It's like he doesn't care or recognise the demotivating effect a statement such as this can have on team morale.
Yeah man management doesn't seem to be one of his strengths, or inspiring confidence.
This is after all the guy who on the way home from a humiliating defeat at Olympiacos pulled out a self help book and started reading it in front of the players.
TBF not even SAF could get Sunderland to decent levels 
He said something like
'We have been in a relegation fight for the last 4 years, why should it be different now'
err because you believe in yourself and the players?
'We have been in a relegation fight for the last 4 years, why should it be different now'
err because you believe in yourself and the players?
At least he's honest. 
I would love to know if the 'Learn to defend like Jagielka' situation actually did occur. When asked, Vidic was very diplomatic and refused to confirm or deny, and I can't remember if Rio has said anything about it.
Terrible start by him. The fans deserve better.
Once Sunderland have their injured players back they really ought to be aiming for midtable.
Once Sunderland have their injured players back they really ought to be aiming for midtable.
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He did it with us and Everton fans even warned us about it. The guy is just not cut out for the top. Makes you wonder how closed a system football management must be that someone that poor can be in the Premier League.
Don't forget hard working.At least he's honest.
To be fair those players seem to only bother when they're in trouble. He might just be trying to keep their mentality going from end of last season.
I think some of you should try football management since you seen to think its a doddle.
I think some of you should try football management since you seen to think its a doddle.
Is it really the case? Do they really have an equally good squad to the likes of Stoke, West Ham, Leicester, Everton, Crystal Palace, Liverpool, Middlesbrough and Swansea, All of which are likely contenders to the mid table
Don't take me wrong, I don't like Moyes. I was against him signing for us from day 1 and got banned quite a number of times because I went to harsh on him. However while I do agree that spending money on Love and Mcnair was stupid I don't see Sunderland as a mid table club
Whether the squad is good enough is certainly up for debate, but they have the money and support to at least aim a bit higher than relegation fight every damn season.
Well if they have the money then its time to spend it. That squad stinks of championship level to me.
Couldn't be happier to see them lose and Moyes to say those things... I still feel annoyed from the poznan back in 2012. If there's one team I want to crash and burn it's Sunderland and I hope Moyes takes them all the way there!
It's a lot to ask, but if they perform really crappy this season it would be so truly beautiful if we killed them off when we face them the 8th of april. If we do, I really hope you, my fellows do the poznan...
It's a lot to ask, but if they perform really crappy this season it would be so truly beautiful if we killed them off when we face them the 8th of april. If we do, I really hope you, my fellows do the poznan...
Yeah. Thought so. He's just playing the percentage. He has like 60percent chance of staying up. Took it. Not that hard considering sunderland wasn't relegated last season. Anything lucky he will claim the credit
Christ, he's the most depressing person in football.
The point I am making is about the statement of ambition. They finished the season in good form, and now all that momentum has just been killed. He perhaps does need some more backing, and has been a bit unlucky with injuries to key players like Kirchhoff and Kone, but it is odd not to pick Khazri, and very odd to come out and say it's not going to get much better. Maybe he is trying to send a message to the board but it seems bizarre.
That only washes if most managers are like David Moyes and increasingly, more and more are moving away from that depressing dinosaur footballing ethos.
If you think we're holding Moyes to a higher standard than any other manager you're mistaken.
Even if Moyes isn't receiving a lot of financial backing and has a difficult job, it's his responsibility to try and find good players, to look for shrewd deals that fit into the team and improve them.
Look at what Raneiri did at Leicester. Not that I think Moyes is every going to be capable of getting Sunderland near the title, but Raneiri's demonstrated it's possible to improve a side massively by utilising players correctly and finding good players on the cheap. Like many other PL managers we've come to know over the years, Moyes strikes me as being someone who just sort of looks for the player he's most comfortable with, spending more money than they're worth on them, and being surprised when they don't really do anything to improve the team. He's not the worst for it, right enough, when you consider the money Newcastle spent on average players last season, but I don't think a shite squad can be an excuse for him.
Look at what Raneiri did at Leicester. Not that I think Moyes is every going to be capable of getting Sunderland near the title, but Raneiri's demonstrated it's possible to improve a side massively by utilising players correctly and finding good players on the cheap. Like many other PL managers we've come to know over the years, Moyes strikes me as being someone who just sort of looks for the player he's most comfortable with, spending more money than they're worth on them, and being surprised when they don't really do anything to improve the team. He's not the worst for it, right enough, when you consider the money Newcastle spent on average players last season, but I don't think a shite squad can be an excuse for him.
couple of interesting young managers. Southampton and Middlesborough.
Careful mate, any sensible posts might be mocked in thread. Did you not know this is just another Moyes bashing thread with individuals quoting and analysing every little thing he does, says etc. No matter what he does, there will be people on here with chips on shoulders that will never go away. Hell the way he takes a dump will be analysed as being negative.
Some of the comments here are crazy
Sunderland had even worse starts. Last season they lost to Norwich 4-1 or something in August. That was after spending 25m. They were horrendous the whole of last season save last couple of months at best.
They are better this time around at least and have spent only 13m (yet). They were pretty resilient vs city and were maybe unlucky not to get a point. I think Moyes would get them to be better over the course of the season.
I couldn't care less about his quotes anymore. Mainly because I don't care about anyone there except januzaj. But to say Sunderland fans don't deserve him is highly unfair right now. He could end up being horrible but as of now he is maybe better than many of their previous managers
Sunderland had even worse starts. Last season they lost to Norwich 4-1 or something in August. That was after spending 25m. They were horrendous the whole of last season save last couple of months at best.
They are better this time around at least and have spent only 13m (yet). They were pretty resilient vs city and were maybe unlucky not to get a point. I think Moyes would get them to be better over the course of the season.
I couldn't care less about his quotes anymore. Mainly because I don't care about anyone there except januzaj. But to say Sunderland fans don't deserve him is highly unfair right now. He could end up being horrible but as of now he is maybe better than many of their previous managers
A manager saying the club will fight relegation in August is alarming and for some reason(s), some people actually thought he's cut from same cloth has Sir Alex.
Moyes played O'Shea in midfield v City? Taking out his striker and not replacing him upfront was simply incompetence.
Against Borogh, they just went through his midfield.
Some of the stuff was basic.
Personally I hope he makes it. But everytime I see him, I just get mad with his appointment at our club.
Against Borogh, they just went through his midfield.
Some of the stuff was basic.
Personally I hope he makes it. But everytime I see him, I just get mad with his appointment at our club.
I don't follow Sunderland enough to give an educated opinion on them. However that squad does look ridiculously weak. Newcastle had a better squad last year and they got relegated
I also assure you that I am not happy siding with Moyes here. It would be like me being forced to praise Mcnair
Agree with this. Sunderland isn't some stable, mid-table club that has performed reasonably well over the past few seasons. I'd also back him to do a decent job over the course of the season (assuming he isn't fired ofc).
However I'd also say that he doesn't do himself any favors with the comments that he comes out with at times. Pretty much everyone at that club would have no illusions over their prospects. But to come out after the 2nd game of the season and state that they are in a relegation battle, is just a bit thick isn't it? It just smacks of him trying to cover his bases already. Wonder what signal it would send to a potential transfer target. Would any half decent player be looking to join a club, that the manager has said is going to be in a relegation battle? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I suspect it would serve him better if he kept his gob shut rather than come out with ridiculous statements every now and then.
Yeah Moyes was saying the culture of the club needs to change, saying that expecting a relegation battle wasn't good enough and staying up shouldn't be seen as success. One defeat later all that is out of the window and he's saying they should expect the relegation battle.
The guy is a fool and it's a matter of time until he's sacked - I hope they don't sack him until he has actually got them relegated just so he has that on his CV.
It isn't incompetence at all. He had 3 attackers and two of them are borini and januzaj both of whom can fill in upfront for 5 minutes.
It made complete sense to sub Defoe off for a defender in the hope to get a point
If he really feels compelled to talk down their prospects he should say something like 'we have to get 40 points as soon as we can then build from there' but the way he communicates is laughable.