David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

AndyJ1985 said:
Sunderland fans seem to think so.

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The comments on their forum is hilarious. Some gems from their Moyes thread:

"I have been truly amazed at how bad he's been, even by Sunderland standards."

"You know fine well we are heading into oblivion with him in charge like."

"Before I say anything, no bedwetting here- I never wanted him to start with. He's done zero to prove me wrong.
His career is in tatters, he's been fecking awful since he left Everton and he's going to take us down. It's Lawrie Mackemenemy all over again - great at one club for one reason or another, then inept elsewhere.
He has to go NOW. This stinks of the 15 point season. Our only hope is to get in a tactically clued up manager in and hope we can steady the ship until the window. If we keep Moyes we will do a Derby County."

Etc etc


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Edit - and another: "Moyes is like Di Canio with a lobotomy. Same scattergun transfer approach, disjointed tactics and disinterested players. We are finally headed for disaster."
 
roykeane19 said:
I didnt like him, when he was our manager, and so badly wanted him to get sacked, which he was pretty quickly. But I hated cocaine nose even more, he somehow had 2 years , spent so much, and I never seen such bad brain dead football in my life. Plus he was immensely arrogant. I dont get why LVg gets barely any criticism compared to Moyes
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He had two years because he pieced together Moyes mess and got us into the CL. He didnt manage that second time around and so was sacked like Moyes.

As to why United fans generally dislike Moyes more, its pretty obvious. Despite being a loon and having us play football that could cure insomnia Val Gaal was fairly likeable and won the Cup. Moyes on the other hand is a miserable, moaning twat who achieved nothing apart from making United a laughing stock.
 
Never his responsibility. Always someone else.

How the hell he managed what he did at Everton I'll never know.
 
Minimalist said:
Never his responsibility. Always someone else.

How the hell he managed what he did at Everton I'll never know.
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You should read the ready to go Moyes thread where I got those quotes from above. Some of their fans have the same complaints that we did.
His negativity is just affecting everything and everyone. Imo he's totally lost his confidence.
 
Minimalist said:
Never his responsibility. Always someone else.

How the hell he managed what he did at Everton I'll never know.
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His Everton time is overrated, you can acchieve so much more than what he did in 10 years.
He had no targets, no ambition, no pressure. Squad was too good to go down, and CL qualification was not expected. It also took him 9 years to play something which doesn't bore you to death.

But give him a target such as CL qualification (let alone the PL title) or staying up and he is completely out of his depth.

Ignore his non-existent talent for a second, someone like Big Sam at least has personality/charisma, Moyes doesn't even have any of that.
 
I think there's a genuine argument that he got quite lucky at Everton at times. He managed to get a band of alright-ish loyal players who weren't good enough for the top level but definitely good enough for the top 6/7: players like Cahill, Howard, Osman etc. His side was one of the more consistent ones squad wise in that there was never that much of a turnover.

That's not to discredit him doing well on a small budget and regularly keeping them in the top half, but he definitely benefited from others factors whilst there as well and his been dreadful since. He'll be gone from Sunderland in a few weeks at this rate.
 
I kind of feel sad and sorry for Moyes. He should have never left Everton. Now he's become a joke and an internet meme. Oh well.
 
Despite my intense dislike for Moyes i have always maintained he is a good manager based on his time at Everton. It's early days at Sunderland and he still has plenty of time to turn it around but if he doesn't and gets sacked/relegated i think it would be fair to say his time at Everton was a one off. And it begs the question is he really a good manager?

If he fails at Sunderland then he will have been totally out of his depth at 3 of his 4 top flight jobs, his biggest achievement according to most (steering Everton from relegation to solid mid-table) will have been something he did once and almost 15 years ago. If he can't replicate that at Sunderland which will almost certainly mean its his last PL job then i think we have to re-evaluate Moyes overall record.

I suspect he's done at the top level.
 
Cheesy said:
I think there's a genuine argument that he got quite lucky at Everton at times. He managed to get a band of alright-ish loyal players who weren't good enough for the top level but definitely good enough for the top 6/7: players like Cahill, Howard, Osman etc. His side was one of the more consistent ones squad wise in that there was never that much of a turnover.

That's not to discredit him doing well on a small budget and regularly keeping them in the top half, but he definitely benefited from others factors whilst there as well and his been dreadful since. He'll be gone from Sunderland in a few weeks at this rate.
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Was it really a small budget though? The biggest correlation to the success of a team, is the money they spent in wages. During Moyes time there, Everton had the eighth highest wage bill in the league (on average), while their average finish in the league was (spoiler alert) eighth! So, a perfect match.

He spent less on transfers, so he definitely did a bit better than they should have done, but you also have to consider that he was the only manager in the league with no targets, and who was given a lot of time even when they did bad. I think he had a decent/good time at Everton, but a lot of people overrate his 'achievements' there.
 
stevoc said:
Despite my intense dislike for Moyes i have always maintained he is a good manager based on his time at Everton. It's early days at Sunderland and he still has plenty of time to turn it around but if he doesn't and gets sacked/relegated i think it would be fair to say his time at Everton was a one off. And it begs the question is he really a good manager?

If he fails at Sunderland then he will have been totally out of his depth at 3 of his 4 top flight jobs, his biggest achievement according to most (steering Everton from relegation to solid mid-table) will have been something he did once and almost 15 years ago. If he can't replicate that at Sunderland which will almost certainly mean its his last PL job then i think we have to re-evaluate Moyes overall record.

I suspect he's done at the top level.
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Not really, if he doesn't win any of his next three or four games and loses a couple of them then he'll probably be a goner.
 
Revan said:
Was it really a small budget though? The biggest correlation to the success of a team, is the money they spent in wages. During Moyes time there, Everton had the eighth highest wage bill in the league (on average), while their average finish in the league was (spoiler alert) eighth! So, a perfect match.

He spent less on transfers, so he definitely did a bit better than they should have done, but you also have to consider that he was the only manager in the league with no targets, and who was given a lot of time even when they did bad. I think he had a decent/good time at Everton, but a lot of people overrate his 'achievements' there.
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That average will have been distorted a bit though by his one 17th placed finish (which he was lucky to survive in all fairness), and an 11th placed one as well. On the whole he managed to outdo that average budget on a few occasions with a 4th placed finish and multiple 5th placed finishes.

But I do agree his achievements were often overrated. He was often hailed as a minor miracle worker when in reality he managed to stay level with expectations, whilst sometimes slightly exceeding them. The consistency with which he did that was excellent but it's little compared to Klopp's achievements at Dortmund or Simeone's at Atletico.

To be fair though, some people did point out he was overrated. I was sceptical of his appointment but not too disappointed; others argued that what he'd done at Everton was essentially a slightly better, longer-term version of what Allardyce had done at Bolton...and very few people would've ever wanted Allardyce here. He was appreciated but plenty of football fans recognised that the hype around him had also been overdone. He was like someone who started out a tad underrated as a manager, but quickly became very overrated once people began to give him credit.
 
Cheesy said:
Not really, if he doesn't win any of his next three or four games and loses a couple of them then he'll probably be a goner.
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True thats a possibility but i mean we are only 6 games into the season, it's also possible if unlikely he goes on a winning run and climbs out of the relegation spots. You never know.
 
I feel in a decade Moyes appointment at United is going to be a joke of such a level, its going to be the answer to a pub trivia question nobody knows.

"Who took over Man United after Alex Ferguson retired? A) David Moyes B) Jose Mourinho or C) Patrick Truman from Eastenders"
 
Of all the managers since Busby, only Ron Atkinson ended up having a decent career after being sacked by the club.

Wilf McGuinness (1969-1970)
1971-1974: Aris Saloniki
1974-1975: Panachaiki
1975-1977: York

Frank O'Farrell (1971-1972)
1973-1974: Cardiff
1974-1976: Iran
1976-1977: Torquay
1980-1980: Al-Shaab
1981-1982: Torquay

Tommy Docherty (1972-1977)
1977-1979: Derby
1979-1980: QPR
1981-1981: Sydney Olympic
1981-1981: Preston
1982-1983: South Melbourne
1983-1983: Sydney Olympic
1984-1985: Wolves
1987-1988: Altrincham

Dave Sexton (1977-1981)
1977-1990: England U21 (did win U21 Euro in '82 and '84 tbf)
1981-1983: Coventry
1994-1996: England U21

Ron Atkinson (1981-1986)
1987-1988: West Brom
1988-1989: Atletico Madrid
1989-1991: Sheffield Wednesday (won the League Cup in 1991)
1991-1994: Aston Villa (won the League Cup in 1994 and finished 2nd in the PL 92/93)
1995-1996: Coventry
1997-1998: Sheffield Wednesday
1999-1999: Nottingham Forest

David Moyes (2013-2014)
2014-2015: Sociedad
2016-????: Sunderland

Louis van Gaal (2014-2016)
Retired it seems, but there's been talks about him going to Werder Bremen.
 
Revan said:
Was it really a small budget though? The biggest correlation to the success of a team, is the money they spent in wages. During Moyes time there, Everton had the eighth highest wage bill in the league (on average), while their average finish in the league was (spoiler alert) eighth! So, a perfect match.

He spent less on transfers, so he definitely did a bit better than they should have done, but you also have to consider that he was the only manager in the league with no targets, and who was given a lot of time even when they did bad. I think he had a decent/good time at Everton, but a lot of people overrate his 'achievements' there.
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Don't go saying things like that, when I said it on here while he was still at Everton I was told he was an excellent manager, a miracle worker, a veritable genius.

No lads, he's not even bang fecking average, he is hopelessly inept.
 
Cheesy said:
That average will have been distorted a bit though by his one 17th placed finish (which he was lucky to survive in all fairness), and an 11th placed one as well. On the whole he managed to outdo that average budget on a few occasions with a 4th placed finish and multiple 5th placed finishes.

But I do agree his achievements were often overrated. He was often hailed as a minor miracle worker when in reality he managed to stay level with expectations, whilst sometimes slightly exceeding them. The consistency with which he did that was excellent but it's little compared to Klopp's achievements at Dortmund or Simeone's at Atletico.

To be fair though, some people did point out he was overrated. I was sceptical of his appointment but not too disappointed; others argued that what he'd done at Everton was essentially a slightly better, longer-term version of what Allardyce had done at Bolton...and very few people would've ever wanted Allardyce here. He was appreciated but plenty of football fans recognised that the hype around him had also been overdone. He was like someone who started out a tad underrated as a manager, but quickly became very overrated once people began to give him credit.
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His achievements don't stand up to Allardyce, never mind Klopp or Simeone. Bolton had been a mickey mouse club before Big Sam and have become one again. Sam's achievements are a real outlier since the 50s. Everton have generally been a fairly big club (still the 4th most championships) but had fallen into a rut in the mid 90s from which Moyes partially restored them. But the idea that he was punching massively above his weight, particularly in the pre-Abu Dhabi City era and while Spurs were consistently under-achieving, is rubbish. He was a slightly above average manager who benefited from having Ferguson as a family friend. Now, in the richer than ever PL era, he belongs in the Championship.
 
Badunk said:
He just blamed the players again.
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Yep. As Gullit on MOTD tried to point out, blatantly pre-planned zonal marking was responsible for the third goal.
 
I just saw the Sunderland vs C.Palace.
My word, Sunderland are awful.
Someone said earlier that they are heading for a 15 point season. To put this into context, the worst EPL side I have ever seen were A.Villa from last season. They finished with 17 points.
If Moyes manages to take Sunderland to 15 points, that would be some effort.

Everytime I see Moyes and his teams play I cannot help but wonder: was Fergie drunk or on drugs when he decided to give the job to Moyes?
 
Is it me or does every Sunderland home game end with the fans mercilessly booing the players off the field? (except in their yearly hammering of Newcastle, who arent even around anymore) I get that they're frustrated but even during games they get very agitated early on. They were 1-0 down against Boro a while back and were playing really well and as soon as the goal went in the venom just poured out. I can imagine it sucks always being down there but maybe their negativity is counter productive?
 
Lurpak99 said:
Of all the managers since Busby, only Ron Atkinson ended up having a decent career after being sacked by the club.

Wilf McGuinness (1969-1970)
1971-1974: Aris Saloniki
1974-1975: Panachaiki
1975-1977: York

Frank O'Farrell (1971-1972)
1973-1974: Cardiff
1974-1976: Iran
1976-1977: Torquay
1980-1980: Al-Shaab
1981-1982: Torquay

Tommy Docherty (1972-1977)
1977-1979: Derby
1979-1980: QPR
1981-1981: Sydney Olympic
1981-1981: Preston
1982-1983: South Melbourne
1983-1983: Sydney Olympic
1984-1985: Wolves
1987-1988: Altrincham

Dave Sexton (1977-1981)
1977-1990: England U21 (did win U21 Euro in '82 and '84 tbf)
1981-1983: Coventry
1994-1996: England U21

Ron Atkinson (1981-1986)
1987-1988: West Brom
1988-1989: Atletico Madrid
1989-1991: Sheffield Wednesday (won the League Cup in 1991)
1991-1994: Aston Villa (won the League Cup in 1994 and finished 2nd in the PL 92/93)
1995-1996: Coventry
1997-1998: Sheffield Wednesday
1999-1999: Nottingham Forest

David Moyes (2013-2014)
2014-2015: Sociedad
2016-????: Sunderland

Louis van Gaal (2014-2016)
Retired it seems, but there's been talks about him going to Werder Bremen.
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Forgot Big Ron went to Spain for a year
 
Hangs his players out to dry for not picking up Benteke, but they're doing zonal marking, obviously doing as their told.

Totally low, and totally different to Mourinho calling out Shaw's positional error that was made such a big deal of...

I wonder the media will focus on Moyes publicly criticizing his players...?

I wonder if they've even mention it?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Hangs his players out to dry for not picking up Benteke, but they're doing zonal marking, obviously doing as their told.

Totally low, and totally different to Mourinho calling out Shaw's positional error that was made such a big deal of...

I wonder the media will focus on Moyes publicly criticizing his players...?

I wonder if they've even mention it?
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:lol:

What on earth is the deal with your tagline?
 
'Once again, sacked is the incredible
Quite terrible, not credible
Moyes! Public Enemy Number One...'
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Hangs his players out to dry for not picking up Benteke, but they're doing zonal marking, obviously doing as their told.
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Obviously it wouldn't be his fault, the man is incapable of accepting responsibility for anything.
 
Those post match interviews :annoyed:

Takes me right back to 2013. Will be the same at any club he goes to, glad its over for us now.
 
Sunderland deserve it, the absolute clowns. Hope they get relegated and never come back.
 
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