, don´t your like Navas? I think that is a very agile goalkeeper, with great reflexes. He did a very good World Cup
I like him just fine, as Madrid's #1 keeper. It sounds like he has all the traits to take over for Iker.
De Gea Contract Situation
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I like him just fine, as Madrid's #1 keeper. It sounds like he has all the traits to take over for Iker.
Sorry, the translations of newspaper articles use a richer language and I find it very difficult to translate with my English , I would need a lot of time, so I use Google
, maybe this is a bit better :"The name of Keylor would accelerate the negotiations between the two clubs in the event that the De Gea transaction give a sprint in the coming days . But this sprint in negotiations continues to depend on Sergio Ramos..."
If he'd been caught sucking the legal high jazz pipe he'd practically be Sterling's white twin. The club are only going to make a few more pence than it originally paid for him, and that after putting him in the world's top three goalkeepers (Courtois, de Gea, Argabillio). Why haven't the Salford lads turned up outside his house at night dressed in black?
who's the guy btw?
My knowledge of goalkeepers is not the best so I just made one up.
He played a couple of good games at the world cup and he's suddenly the dogs bollox having spent his career at lower league clubs like Levante. They had a good season with him, but you have to think if he had that much talent he'd have been playing at a higher level or better club for longer. As it is, he's basically not played since he joined Madrid. Not convinced - at all. Now I see tweets linking Valdes to some unknown Turkish club. The GK situation gets more bizarre by the minute for us.
do you believe them for a second?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...pree-Real-Madrid-transfer-saga-continues.html
Mata and Ander definitely know he is off. So sad they look!
Mata and Ander definitely know he is off. So sad they look!
Believe them? Who believes 90% of tweets? Wonder whether there may be something to it though - sure.
He's a good 'keeper by all accounts and suits the Spanish leagues well. In 2013-14 with Levante, he beat Courtois (who is now rated amongst the best in the world) to win the league GK of the season award. That at least implies he was performing at a high level. One of the reasons it took a long time for him to make it out of the Costa Rican leagues is that, well, nobody really does much scouting there. It's picked up a lot in the last few years and there are a number of Costa Rican players now succeeding in or around the top level. The reason he hasn't played much for Madrid is the status of Casillas.
The key with Navas is whether he'd be able to adapt to the EPL where shot stopping alone isn't enough. Personally, I haven't seen enough of him to know. His age doesn't really work in his favour. What I would say is that if we had him or Valdes as #1 for a season or two while we blood a young up-and-coming 'keeper, I wouldn't be losing too much sleep over it. It's more important that we improve our defence and not have to rely on having the world's best 'keeper to save our blushes like last season.
As an outsider, I think United are being overly stubborn here. It would be nice to see Madrid sign a new deal with Ramos and take De Gea for free in January.
United pretending the ball is in their court when it's not, banking on Perez doing the stupid thing and rushing.
All makes you guys look a bit 'Tottenham' really. I guarantee most of you criticised Liverpool for not just letting Suarez go to a better team.. Don't see why this is so different.
Don't get offended. Just my two cents.
United pretending the ball is in their court when it's not, banking on Perez doing the stupid thing and rushing.
All makes you guys look a bit 'Tottenham' really. I guarantee most of you criticised Liverpool for not just letting Suarez go to a better team.. Don't see why this is so different.
Don't get offended. Just my two cents.
Liverpool did get £65-75m for Suarez, and Spurs get a whack load for any of their best players that they sell it seems... so what's wrong with their approaches?
It is in our court since he's under contract.
This is all coming from an Arsenal fan who played cat and mouse with Barcelona for summers on end over Fabregas. If the shoe was on the other foot, I highly doubt you'd want Arsenal to roll over so easily for Madrid. Especially since we'll be getting feck all for him. That wasn't the case with Suarez or even RVP, who you received a decent fee for despite him being nearly 30.You mean like Arsenal rushed to release RvP to United for the first fee we offered?
It worked out well for Dortmund when they dug their heels in over Lewondowski, if we get champions league qualification next season due to De Gea's saves then that's worth more than Madrid are currently offering.
Have you ever seen either of them attract an established world class player over the past decade?
Suarez and Bale weren't in the last year of their contract when they moved. They both attracted interest from other teams which bumps up the fee - Arsenal and others for Suarez and United for Bale. They are also both attackers which obviously have a higher going rate.
De Gea wants 65k at Madrid over 200k at United. He doesn't want anywhere else. He's embarrassing your club right now, refusing to stay at it for even 3x more money. Fergie would be kicking him out the door on his arse for free just to make the saga stop but instead youre clinging onto him like he's a player above your level which is exactly what I'd expect to see a lesser team like Spurs or Liverpool do.
Madrid can cough up the money or wait another season to sign him on a free and have another trophy less season. We offered DDG world record wage for a GK if he doesn't want to sign that mega deal that's fine he has every right to but we have every right to keep him till his contract runs out, nothing to do with being "stubborn".
Speculation - I'd be shocked if De Gea was getting that little. He'll obviously get less then he gets at United (though with tax brakes it won't be so bad).
He's embarassing our club because he wants to go home, so he can be with his family and - most importantly - his girlfriend of however many years? And yet, still hasn't kicked up a fuss, hasn't spoken out in public, hasn't tried to force a move... and we are using all the time we have at our disposal (note: we have quite a lot of time here) to ensure that we get the best deal possible from a club that we know a) only want De Gea and b) have a lot of money?
Yeah, I'm super embarrassed.
I think anyone confusing Euros with £s and gross pay with net pay is on very dodgy ground when it comes to embarrassment.
It's early July, why rush the deal? Woodward is playing a weak hand very well at the moment and should be commended, I think we'll sell in the end but the threat of keeping him until the end of his contract is the only thing that's going to get us a decent fee for him. If we somehow use this situation to get Ramos then that's an even better result, I don't think this is particularly embarrassing.
The article I read claimed it was £65/200k and both figures pre-tax so not sure where I'm confused.
As Annihilate Now! points out, the tax makes a slight difference. At the end of the day, a transfer doesn't get much more publicity throughout the world than one between Real Madrid and United - I think you should sell him if he doesn't want to be there and have no doubt that's what Fergie would do. But I'm enjoying watching you cling onto him also.. it's an enjoyable transfer saga. I was just giving my thoughts, no need to be so rude!
I don't see the situation as "embarrassing". We're not going to let one of the world's best players go for pennies to "make the saga stop". Madrid can pay what it takes, or we'll let him see out his contract.
Saying that, has there even been an official bid from Madrid yet?
Saying that, has there even been an official bid from Madrid yet?
Fair enough reply. For a club that prides itself on being up there with the elite clubs in the world, I think clinging onto a player who would happily take approximately 1/2-1/3 of the wages to sign for Madrid as the entire football world watches on is a bad look. Maybe embarrassing wasn't the word I should have said to get that point across.
"Embarrassing" is a bit of a taboo word round these parts to be fair - started a year or two ago where anything/everything was deemed to be "embarrassing" ... for the life of me I can't remember what exactly started it though.
Edit - It was probably something to do with Moyes... Bloody Moyes.
Nope, all that could have happened so far are discussions, but even that's up for debate.
Tbf, Moyes was pretty embarrassing. As was the Fellaini transfer on deadline day having being linked to players like Fabregas and Thiago all summer.
I'd be surprised if it's £65k gross, surely they're talking netto? Spaniards always talk netto.
Again it's you who is embarrassing yourself. Just because some journo didn't know that Spain report net wages and just took them for gross doesn't mean you have to do the same. At least get the numbers right if you want to make a point.
65k after tax in Madrid would amount to around 100k pre-tax - still 1/2 of United's offerings. Again, not sure where I've embarrassed myself.
I think you're confused about your choice of reading material, and possibly your concept of reality, if you believe whoever wrote that article.
I honestly fail to get your point mate. Like, who cares about his prospective wages at Madrid ? De Gea is still very much a United employee and as such we hold all the bargaining chips in case of a potential transfer until the time his contract expires. He desperately wants to join Real ? Fine by me. Fork out €40-50 million or ease up on the Ramos situation and De Gea's all theirs. That's the explicit stance Woodward has reportedly taken. There's nothing shameful about a selling club being entitled to a commensurate fee, or even a premium figure that takes into account said player's importance to the club (as one of the best keepers in Europe and still just 24) irrespective of the time remaining on his current contract. If Madrid aren't willing to pay that, then that's on them. Consider it an informal buyout clause if you will, nothing more and nothing less. And getting shafted, and recouping a pittance will be exponentially more 'embarrassing' both in a sporting and financial perspective.
If you don't understand it even now then I can't help you. Oh and the Spanish reports have constantly said he would be getting yearly 5 mil € net at RM, so if we offer him 200 k £ per week then that would also be 5 mil net, just in pounds. How this amounts to 1/2 difference only you know. But yeah, just believe the numbers you want to believe and be naive enough to think a guy who asks RM to get rid off their legend Iker first won't ask them to offer him close to what United are offering.
I'd say it is closer to 125k and you have no idea if either figure is correct.
Wouldn't make a single difference to us, in fact if keeping him would get us another league title next season it would be worth it. See - where we essentially paid 24m for a 29 year old RVP for one season, or whatever ridiculous loan fee + wage we paid for Falcao.
The simple fact that he didn't officially asked to be transferred makes it not embarrassing at all, while I want him to be sold quickly if he really wants to go, United are within their right to ask for a decent price and take all the time they can to make it happen.
Overly stubborn? Yeah you're right, let's just let Real Madrid have the second best GK in the world with minimal fuss.
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We should pay Madrid to take him, and rid ourselves of the embarrassment.
At the end of the day, the article I read stated:
De Gea will earn £65,000 a week after tax at Madrid. United are willing to offer £200,000 a week - tax taking this to around £110,000 per week. These are the figures I read and these are the figures I made my post upon. If you have particular insight into De Gea's contractual matters feel free to let me know. I have no doubt that nobody knows the accurate figures, especially not the British media. Based upon my own speculation, and in line with what you've offered to other players, I would say United would offer De Gea somewhere in the region of 200-250k per week pre-tax to tempt him to stay.
My original point was as follows: the entire football world is watching the transfer and that includes players. If they see De Gea trying to leave your club and accepting lesser wages elsewhere, it isn't a good look for United. That is my opinion. I think you'd be better served selling him now for around £18m and getting a new keeper in to end this because, in my honest opinion, it makes United look vastly inferior to Madrid. I understand the financial benefits of trying to act stubborn, no doubt. But I think the saga is damaging the image of the club a bit.. similar to when we lost Fabregas to Barcelona and I felt we should sell him.
I'll stop here because I didn't expect certain people to be so unwelcoming of a difference in opinion!
De Gea will earn £65,000 a week after tax at Madrid. United are willing to offer £200,000 a week - tax taking this to around £110,000 per week. These are the figures I read and these are the figures I made my post upon. If you have particular insight into De Gea's contractual matters feel free to let me know. I have no doubt that nobody knows the accurate figures, especially not the British media. Based upon my own speculation, and in line with what you've offered to other players, I would say United would offer De Gea somewhere in the region of 200-250k per week pre-tax to tempt him to stay.
My original point was as follows: the entire football world is watching the transfer and that includes players. If they see De Gea trying to leave your club and accepting lesser wages elsewhere, it isn't a good look for United. That is my opinion. I think you'd be better served selling him now for around £18m and getting a new keeper in to end this because, in my honest opinion, it makes United look vastly inferior to Madrid. I understand the financial benefits of trying to act stubborn, no doubt. But I think the saga is damaging the image of the club a bit.. similar to when we lost Fabregas to Barcelona and I felt we should sell him.
I'll stop here because I didn't expect certain people to be so unwelcoming of a difference in opinion!
It is quite embarrassing that I wrote "bester" - don't quite know where that came from!
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