De Gea Contract Situation

[Shurou]

Was this a press conference that was recorded or just an offline briefing of the media? I feel like something is not being translated correctly from LvG's words out of his mouth to paper...

I think I stand with the people who are against letting DdG leave this window. The public perception thing was a big part of this whole mess, and the club probably feels that we are way past the point of return from that perspective now.

 

[carvajal]

To say that De Gea does not want to play would certainly make the decision to accept a transfer much more justifiable, allowing Van Gaal have a new goalkeeper and end the saga .If he has said this publicly,in such a resounding way he was perhaps expecting this public reaction to blame the player , suggesting that the club maintains a strong position but is forced by a rebellion

 

[Someone]

Yeah but is it worth spending 4 million in wages plus losing out on some kind of transfer fee just to not look weak?

Forcing de gea to run down his contract will deter other players and agents from doing the same.

 

[WR]

When it gets to this stage, similar as it was with Ronaldo, it starts to bore me and I couldn't care if he gets sold now

 

[SteveJ]

I like Dave as a person and, of course, he's an amazing 'keeper. But it's always been noticeable to me that he's practically never stated his affection for the club, or even the fans who've supported him tremendously from the very start - it's always been something like "The fans love me." All this might sound very minor but I wouldn't be surprised if DDG & Mendes always considered the United move as a temporary thing, allowing David to eventually move to Real without the nasty fallout of a straight transfer from RM's rivals.

 

[entropy]

Maybe they asked him to do this and he refused which is fair enough. But he really should honour his contract and play to the best of his ability regardless of the situation he finds himself in. Pedro seems to do just fine.

He has been professional so far. He is well aware that there is still a possibility that he might still be a United player after Sep 1st. With Mendes as his agent, getting him to sign a contract now and shipping him off next season doesn't seem like the worst idea.

 

[Mr Anderson]

He doesn't want to play, shame but Louis is handling this right. De Geas camp want to make it look like he was dropped, the truth always comes out.

Accepting a lowball bid is still bollocks though. If they can't pay offer 25mill for him, then that is just taking the piss a little. Sure he has 1 year left in his contract, but what is an extra 6 mill for a keeper they will have for the next 7-10years? I think it is only fair we get a good price for him.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Dramatic much?

I might have overreacted slightly, but the situation is a bit dramatic, no? In my humble opinion, our best player simply refusing to play for us qualifies as dramatic. And disgusting.

 

[Damien]

He has been professional so far. He is well aware that there is still a possibility that he might still be a United player after Sep 1st. With Mendes as his agent, getting him to sign a contract now and shipping him off next season doesn't seem like the worst idea.

We've been trying to get him to sign a contract for the past couple of years. Why would they agree to signing a new contract now to be sold next season? By not signing a contract they'll be getting greater sign on fee when he does go to Madrid.

 

[rover]

Why can't Louie do what fergie did with ronaldo. Sign an extension and promise him a move next year. Everybody wins.

obviously real don't want to pay up what ddg worths

just like diego costa, ddg is not a client of his agent. perez is his client, peter lim is his client, the owner of monaco (sorry, not bother to google who he is) is his client. players like costa, adm & ddg are just his inventories for him to buy & sell among his clients

 

[Amadaeus]

Van Gaal has made it clear a number of times that if a player isn't playing in the first team, he'd like them to play in the reserves to keep fit for when they are called upon.

It's got nothing to do with being a "scurrilous attack on Valdes' integrity and reputation as a respectable footballer" and it isn't like he only told Valdes to play in the reserves. Januzaj, van Persie, Rafael, Falcao all did and I'm sure they don't see it as an attack on their integrity. Don't you think refusing to play for the reserve team is bad on Valdes' side?

Playing in the reserve is one of the lowest point a top footballer can have in their career. If, Valdes refuse, he has the right to refuse because that philosophy that states "if a player isn't playing he must play in the reserve," is one that is purely ideological, not practical or beneficial to Valdes performance in the first team as the level their is uncompared to the level of the premier league. It can be seen as one of many of Van Gaal's quack philosophy that can be seen as argumentative rather than productive because their is no science that states playing in the reserve will boost your performance at first team level.

As stated before, Valdes has the right to refuse and even though he clearly played in some u21 games, stating that he refused to play in the reserve team is wrong to a point as he did play some matches. I would then draw a hypothetical based of the chart you presented that he later on refused because he felt disrespected by Van Gaal as he did not come to United to play with kids in the reserve. That represent a scurrilous attack on Valdes integrity and reputation as a respectable footballer as it exhibits disrespect towards Valdes as a footballer.

Adnan's games:

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U21 fixtures and the games Valdes bothered to play highlighted in green:

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Fair enough he didn't play in the Norwich game as it was the day after he signed, but he could have chose to play in most of the rest of them and didn't.

He wanted Valdes to have game time for if he needed to be called upon if De Gea picked up an injury or something and lo and behold on the penultimate game of the season De Gea picked up an injury and Valdes went in goal and didn't exactly look on top of things. If he had volunteered to play in more reserve games he may have performed better when in the first team.

He mayhave done better is argumentative. His debut, was not terrible and beside some questionable handling with crosses, his debut could be compared to Romero who unlike Valdes was tested more and showed question marks in regards to his ball distribution. Thus, I could say that if Valdes had been tested more he would have had a commendable debut as Romero as the only goal Valdes concede was of a deflection. Whereas Valdes showed efficiency in handling crosses, Ronero showed efficiency in his ball distribution, so the former debut may have been more commendable if he was tested more with shots on goal. So in conclusion, playing in the reserve is not scientifically proven to benefit a player performance at first team level and we can not use that as an assertion that it would. So, that philosophy of Van Gaal can be easily debunked with science.

 

[Witchking]

We've been trying to get him to sign a contract for the past couple of years. Why would they agree to signing a new contract now to be sold next season? By not signing a contract they'll be getting greater sign on fee when he does go to Madrid.

Exactly. Not sure why many fans think if he stays past 1st September, he will sign a contract and get United a good fee. Based on all that has happened since the ending of last season, and the now fallout between LVG & De Gea, i am not sure if he gets to play for the first team if Romero plays a blinder.

 

[entropy]

We've been trying to get him to sign a contract for the past couple of years. Why would they agree to signing a new contract now to be sold next season? By not signing a contract they'll be getting greater sign on fee when he does go to Madrid.

I am only going off of what happened with ronaldo. He didn't want to sign a new contract and was keen on leaving for Madrid. If I remember correctly, fergie flew in to Lisbon and convinced him to sign a new contract.I guess the agreement was under the pretense that if a certain offer comes in from RM, United will consider selling him. If RM are desperate to sign the best GK in the market(which I strongly believe they are), they have to pay the necessary sum.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Next time we sign a first choice undisputed No.1, can we make sure he's not a young potential best in position player from abroad?

I remember people saying 'well that's the goalkeeper spot sorted for 15 years'.

It doesn't bother me if he goes now. If our defence sharpens up, I think having a decent pair of hands will be enough. Obviously if they play like a bunch of retards all season, we're doomed. But I'm confident in Darmian, Smalling and Shaw. Throw in what Schneiderlin offers and hopefully we see less errors.

 

[YzWayne]

Exactly. Not sure why many fans think if he stays past 1st September, he will sign a contract and get United a good fee. Based on all that has happened since the ending of last season, and the now fallout between LVG & De Gea, i am not sure if he gets to play for the first team if Romero plays a blinder.

Problem for De Gea is after Sept 1, he needs to play to be in contention for Euros next summer. If Madrid is not going to come in with a good price, he will have to do something to get back to the starting eleven. And by signing an extension will be one of his options

 

[dsch]

Playing in the reserve is one of the lowest point a top footballer can have in their career. If, Valdes refuse, he has the right to refuse because that philosophy that states "if a player isn't playing he must play in the reserve," is one that is purely ideological, not practical or beneficial to Valdes performance in the first team as the level their is uncompared to the level of the premier league.

This is just very, very silly. Who do you think you are playing with and against in the reserves, if not other players close to the first teams? Does the concept of match fitness ring any bells?

Edit: I just got to this part of your post.

So in conclusion, playing in the reserve is not scientifically proven to benefit a player performance at first team level and we can not use that as an assertion that it would. So, that philosophy of Van Gaal can be easily debunked with science.

Good grief.

 

[entropy]

obviously real don't want to pay up what ddg worths

just like diego costa, ddg is not a client of his agent. perez is his client, peter lim is his client, the owner of monaco (sorry, not bother to google who he is) is his client. players like costa, adm & ddg are just his inventories for him to buy & sell among his clients

My argument is from our perspective though. I couldn't give a toss about how less RM want to pay. We have the best GK and like it was with Ronaldo's case, they have to pay us his worth.

 

[MarkC]

I for sure expected to at least fight for the title instead of barely managing 4th and win a cup in a season in which we didn't even have CL distraction. Sorry if that is too unrealistic to you!

Each to there own when it comes to expectations. Expecting a new manager who has never managed in this league with 5/6 new players, a lot of departures and just off the back of our worst season in 20 odd years to be pushing for the title from day one does seem highly optimistic. Hardly a stick to beat him considering towards the end of the season at Stamford Bridge if things had went our way we would have been back in it and seen a different United afterwards. We messed up the start but people have to give managers time to adjust.

 

[rover]

Exactly. Not sure why many fans think if he stays past 1st September, he will sign a contract and get United a good fee. Based on all that has happened since the ending of last season, and the now fallout between LVG & De Gea, i am not sure if he gets to play for the first team if Romero plays a blinder.

obviously ddg was screwed by his agent and real

 

[rover]

My argument is from our perspective though. I couldn't give a toss about how less RM want to pay. We have the best GK and like it was with Ronaldo's case, they have to pay us his worth.

if real doesn't want to pay up, how ddg would sign an contract extension which bind him longer here?

 

[Full Member]

He has been professional so far. He is well aware that there is still a possibility that he might still be a United player after Sep 1st. With Mendes as his agent, getting him to sign a contract now and shipping him off next season doesn't seem like the worst idea.

Should he not be making himself available for selection then?

 

[Witchking]

obviously ddg was screwed by his agent and real

But the problem is that he will think that United & LVG screwed him. That's the link his agent and real will keep feeding him.

I honestly do not think he will show his last season's form if he stays.

But i want United to make a statement and not sell him to Madrid. Woodward is playing his role perfectly.

 

[Amadaeus]

This is just very, very silly. Who do you think you are playing with and against in the reserves, if not other players close to the first teams? Does the concept of match fitness ring any bells?

Edit: I just got to this part of your post.



Good grief.

Their is a difference between getting match fit and being punished or becoming a regular by playing in the reserve similar to Adebayor or Malouda. We do not know the situation with Valdes as he played some games in the reserve, then he stopped playing their because I would guess, he did not come to United to be a regular in that division.

 

[MarkC]

Playing in the reserve is one of the lowest point a top footballer can have in their career. If, Valdes refuse, he has the right to refuse because that philosophy that states "if a player isn't playing he must play in the reserve," is one that is purely ideological, not practical or beneficial to Valdes performance in the first team as the level their is uncompared to the level of the premier league. It can be seen as one of many of Van Gaal's quack philosophy that can be seen as argumentative rather than productive because their is no science that states playing in the reserve will boost your performance at first team level.

As stated before, Valdes has the right to refuse and even though he clearly played in some u21 games, stating that he refused to play in the reserve team is wrong to a point as he did play some matches. I would then draw a hypothetical based of the chart you presented that he later on refused because he felt disrespected by Van Gaal as he did not come to United to play with kids in the reserve. That represent a scurrilous attack on Valdes integrity and reputation as a respectable footballer as it exhibits disrespect towards Valdes as a footballer.

Valdes has the right to refuse to play in the reserves?

How is signing a player who has no club and paying him a wage then expecting him to build up his fitness in games disrespecting him? The bias in your post is frightening I am actually wondering if you and Valdes are somehow related as surely no right minded person can believe what you have just wrote.

Poor Valdes getting paid all that money and not just getting to sit on the bench and pick up his pay cheque every week.

 

[Full Member]

if real doesn't want to pay up, how ddg would sign an contract extension which bind him longer here?

It looks like they wont pay what we want because he's in the last year of his contract. If he signed a new deal they would be forced to pay our price or not have him. As it is, they know that if they dont pay now, they will just get him next year.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

Just let him go. I regard him as in the top 3 gk in the world but in all fairness; he has been the best player at the club in seasons we finished 7th & 4th. Not exactly & title and ucl winners like ronaldo.

 

[matt23]

We probably couldn't have handled this any worse if we'd tried.

This idea that he's worth more than they're offering is a complete fallacy. Less than 12 months left on his contract, Madrid are calling and he wants to go home. He's worth whatever we can get for him. Lets give Dave his dues here, he isn't pushing to leave Manchester United, he's pushing to go home. Home just happens to be a city with arguably the worlds biggest club, who hold a massive appeal to the vast majority of footballers worldwide. I wouldn't cry about it, United aren't exactly at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to global appeal. And just because we've been stupidly generous with the fees we've paid recently doesn't mean Madrid have to.

I would have took £15-£20M the minute his contract had less than a year to run and we knew he wanted the move, which we obviously knew by May. Four months later we've failed to sign a suitable replacement, and have demonized a player who seems to have spent his entire career being well behaved, committed and professional.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that we'll get much more than £30M even if we 'win' on this one. By all accounts Madrid are (or were) pissing about with offers around £15M. That means we've spent the entire summer with our heads in the sands, refusing to sign someone good enough to replace him for the sake of £15M. Here we are in August, with a guy who played about 12 club games last season as our only credible replacement, while van Gaal starts a public bitch fest with our player of the season... all for the sake of £15M. It's easy to say when it's not my money, but for the sake of 15 or so million quid, I'd rather us be able to field our strongest 11 and avoid this he said/she said bullshit to be honest.

You win some you lose some. Give him a pat on the back for the last two years, wish him luck, and move on.

 

[entropy]

if real doesn't want to pay up, how ddg would sign an contract extension which bind him longer here?

You mean how RM didn't want to pay up for ronaldo but ended up doing so a season later.

 

[Sherzad]

I like Dave as a person and, of course, he's an amazing 'keeper. But it's always been noticeable to me that he's practically never stated his affection for the club, or even the fans who've supported him tremendously from the very start - it's always been something like "The fans love me." All this might sound very minor but I wouldn't be surprised if DDG & Mendes always considered the United move as a temporary thing, allowing David to eventually move to Real without the nasty fallout of a straight transfer from RM's rivals.

 

[SteveJ]

That's not exactly overwhelming evidence, Sherz...

 

[Amadaeus]

Valdes has the right to refuse to play in the reserves?

How is signing a player who has no club and paying him a wage then expecting him to build up his fitness in games disrespecting him? The bias in your post is frightening I am actually wondering if you and Valdes are somehow related as surely no right minded person can believe what you have just wrote.

Poor Valdes getting paid all that money and not just getting to sit on the bench and pick up his pay cheque every week.

It is not about money for all footballers, to keep it short.

 

[rover]

But the problem is that he will think that United & LVG screwed him. That's the link his agent and real will keep feeding him.

I honestly do not think he will show his last season's form if he stays.

But i want United to make a statement and not sell him to Madrid. Woodward is playing his role perfectly.

absolutely. but we should just need to act professionally. a player wants to leave, we price him. if no one can pay, the player stays. as simple as that

 

[rover]

It looks like they wont pay what we want because he's in the last year of his contract. If he signed a new deal they would be forced to pay our price or not have him. As it is, they know that if they dont pay now, they will just get him next year.

this is the rule hence united should have no problem to comply

 

[rover]

You mean how RM didn't want to pay up for ronaldo but ended up doing so a season later.

goalkeeper can never be the top shirt seller.

there once was a report to suggest that real told ddg he is no ronaldo. can't suggest how true it can be however

 

[MarkC]

We probably couldn't have handled this any worse if we'd tried.

This idea that he's worth more than they're offering is a complete fallacy. Less than 12 months left on his contract, Madrid are calling and he wants to go home. He's worth whatever we can get for him. Lets give Dave his dues here, he isn't pushing to leave Manchester United, he's pushing to go home. Home just happens to be a city with arguably the worlds biggest club, who hold a massive appeal to the vast majority of footballers worldwide. I wouldn't cry about it, United aren't exactly at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to global appeal. And just because we've been stupidly generous with the fees we've paid recently doesn't mean Madrid have to.

I would have took £15-£20M the minute his contract had less than a year to run and we knew he wanted the move, which we obviously knew by May. Four months later we've failed to sign a suitable replacement, and have demonized a player who seems to have spent his entire career being well behaved, committed and professional.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that we'll get much more than £30M even if we 'win' on this one. By all accounts Madrid are (or were) pissing about with offers around £15M. That means we've spent the entire summer with our heads in the sands, refusing to sign someone good enough to replace him for the sake of £15M. Here we are in August, with a guy who played about 12 club games last season as our only credible replacement, while van Gaal starts a public bitch fest with our player of the season... all for the sake of £15M. It's easy to say when it's not my money, but for the sake of 15 or so million quid, I'd rather us be able to field our strongest 11 and avoid this he said/she said bullshit to be honest.

You win some you lose some. Give him a pat on the back for the last two years, wish him luck, and move on.

It's a fair opinion I don't think it is so much the fact we believe he is worth more in the circumstances. No club in their right mind with a player willing to run down their contract for them is going to pay market value. I'd say it is more the principle that a player trying to run down his contract to force our hand to cut our losses before we lose them for free isn't going to happen and we have no reason to make it easy for him.

It is not about money for all footballers, to keep it short.

I get that but we owe him nothing we didn't ask him to work for free and judging by his comments from the other day if it wasn't for the money he wouldn't be a goalkeeper as he hates it. So what does he expect a wage for nothing in return? Or did he seriously think we would pay him to spectate all season or drop De Gea for him?

All players play in the reserves it happens at nearly every team and it happened here under SAF. He needs to learn it is part of football.

 

[Galactic]

We should just sell him. No one is bigger than the club. We move on. As always.

 

[christy87]

We should just sell him. No one is bigger than the club. We move on. As always.

But that give's a bad image of the club, better to hold on to a player who wants out due to Madrid tapping him up, than giving into Madrid and not getting fair market value.

 

[Silva]

That's not exactly overwhelming evidence, Sherz...

Especially considering he assumed he'd be off in a few weeks.

 

[dsch]

Their is a difference between getting match fit and being punished or becoming a regular by playing in the reserve similar to Adebayor or Malouda. We do not know the situation with Valdes as he played some games in the reserve, then he stopped playing their because I would guess, he did not come to United to be a regular in that division.

Ah, good. For a moment there I thought you were serious about it being "scientifically" proved asking someone to play for the reserves is unjustifiable "bunk".

Did Valdes sign up only after being promised that he would play in the first team over De Gea? No? Then I guess he must have signed up to be second choice and try to prove himself. Can you imagine a team in which every player who does not get the position they want decided to sulk instead of trying to improve?

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

He's still in the last year of a contract to play for our club.

If something of his own making, not ours, is causing him to be mentally unfit to play then i hope this is being reflected in his renumeration. I disagree with the people that are saying he has come out of this well because he hasn't piped up and demanded to leave.

I really like the guy but now, even seeing pictures of his face is starting to piss me off! He looks like some sulking, spoiled kid lately.

I remember the skinny runt that got pushed off the ball all the time in his first few months and, even in the face of a media frenzy, how SAF and the fans stood patiently by him while he was still fecking up in CL games 3 months in!

Search "David de Gea needs to bulk up" on google and remind yourselves what it was really like back in 2011 when he was being protected by one of the best defences the premier league has ever seen.

I feel the members of that defence that protected him during that time, SAF, our club and our fans deserve a bit better than this circus to tell you the truth.

IMHO he should have done a Ronaldo and got an agreement that he can leave next season if he signs a contract extension first for the big money (giving him and the agent sign-on bonuses and guaranteeing us a big pay-day) and then spends one last season here cementing his placing positively in our memories.

Perhaps this would have happened under SAF but think there are too many egos needing the kid gloves treatment these days (the biggest being our illustrious manager).

Anyway, I feel it's much too late for any of this now – it'll end messy and I daresay not do anyone much good in the long-run!