De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season


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Good luck with your future career, David. It's unfortunate for United but I'd fully understand his decision to move back home.
 
I think he's most likely leaving, but I don't think he's quite made up his mind yet probably. Van Gaal didn't seem confident of course, and if all Madrid offer is less then 30m then we should tell them to feck off and let him leave on a free next summer.
 
Yeah would rather keep him for the year than have such a shite fee. £25m+ I think.
We're fans.

I don't think the owners would see it the same way.
 
Remember Keane and his "prawn sandwich brigade" jibe at the fans.

Players expect fans to stand by them and show them loyalty when they are going through a rough patch. So why shouldn't fans expect some back from the players. You cannot have it both ways where you say that fans should cheer for the players and root for them and then not expect anything in return except performances. If performance is the whole thing that matters then the players are getting paid for that. They shouldnt have to want the fans to cheer for them.
Football is not just some other profession, no matter how much you try to justify it. For starters, I don't get cheered by 80k people every time I step into the frickin office.

How do you know what players expect? As long as they get their money in the bank at then end of month they (a large majority of them) most likely don't give a monkeys what the supporters think. That aside, it seems like you're arguing with points I haven't really made so I'm not sure how to respond.

I'm certainly not suggesting that football is a profession like all others. What I am saying, however, is that the basic fundamentals of a person making a life/career choice to make themselves and their loved ones happier isn't at all different. De Gea isn't moving to spite anyone.
 
Because De Gea, like you and I, is a human being with emotions like everybody else, irrespective of his chosen profession. If he will be a happier man in Madrid and decides to move there then all power to him. Or would people rather he stay somewhere he'd rather not be out of some overstated loyalty to some knuckle-dragging, bone-headed football fans that have inflated their role above and beyond the pointless entity it really is?

Football fans can feel as involved as they want, but they have no right to be "disgusted," or whatever word it was you used, at the possibility of De Gea choosing to leave. Being a bit narked that the best goalkeeper is leaving is understandable. Wishing he would rather stay is of course normal. But any overwhelming sense of injustice in regards to what a grown man has chosen to do for the perceived betterment of his life is taking things far too seriously.

As for being committed to the cause. On this season's evidence then I think it's fair to say that he has been. Come the summer, he'll just move and commit to another cause in another country. No biggie, really.

Good stuff.

I was about to post something along these lines but I've had a few pints and you said it more coherently than I would've.
 
Stop playing Sir Moral on his high horse !

We have every right to be disgusted. Everything is about choices. If DDG leaves he made the choice that he prefers Real Madrid over us and he also made the choice (together with his agent) in running down is contract to facilitate that move. Now we are talking about a young lad whom was brought here by SAF himself for £20m, whom was given the chance of a lifetime to take over from VDS and be the first choice goalie of a team that at the time was the best in the PL and one of the best in europe. That team not only gave him that opportunity but also stuck by him during difficult periods because there have been many times the pressure was on the club to take out De Gea and play a more experienced and safer goalkeeper. We didn't do that, we believed in him and gave him every chance he could ever hope for. He realised his potential but none of that would have happened if not for the clubs support and believe in him. I'am 100% sure he would never have gotten such a chance at a club like Real Madrid.

So in a sense DDG atleast owes us his respect for believing in him and giving him the chances to turn into the keeper that he turned out to be. Now does that mean he has to stay with us for the rest of his career no ! But it would show respect on his side to want to stay with us for atleast a couple more years. He finally turned into the keeper we wanted him to be and now should be the time for him and the team to capitalize on that and win some silverware. In that regard he should have accepted our more than generous offer of £150k a week and signed a new contract for 5 years. He can always make the move to Real or Barca or whatever later, if he is one of the best they will always be interested in him but atleast he would have done right by the club by signing that contract and it would have put the club in a position where they could ask for decent money in case a transfer would be on the cards.

The club would never keep him against his will but fair compensation is the least the club deserves for investing £20m and 2 years of patience in him. However the choice it seems he made was that we were a nice club for him to be at when Real didnt want him and now that they want him he can't get out fast enough and the whole contract situation is played out to force the club's hand into giving him what he wants. So his choice clearly shows that he doesn't care about the club or what they did for him. No gratitude for believing in him and giving him his chance. So people imo have every right to feel disgusted about this. We don't show such support for young players and invest so much time and money in them just to see them bugger of to Real for smallchange.

Ay. Basically, you're one of those mental nobodies I'm talking about. If you genuinely feel that you have a right to be "disgusted" with David De Gea then you're off your rocker.
 
Good news if RM decide to take the piss and offer around 12-15 million. United paid 6 million for Falcao on loan so 12 million would be binned straight away and the club get to keep De Gea for another full season :devil:
 
Because De Gea, like you and I, is a human being with emotions like everybody else, irrespective of his chosen profession. If he will be a happier man in Madrid and decides to move there then all power to him. Or would people rather he stay somewhere he'd rather not be out of some overstated loyalty to some knuckle-dragging, bone-headed football fans that have inflated their role above and beyond the pointless entity it really is?

Football fans can feel as involved as they want, but they have no right to be "disgusted," or whatever word it was you used, at the possibility of De Gea choosing to leave. Being a bit narked that the best goalkeeper is leaving is understandable. Wishing he would rather stay is of course normal. But any overwhelming sense of injustice in regards to what a grown man has chosen to do for the perceived betterment of his life is taking things far too seriously.

As for being committed to the cause. On this season's evidence then I think it's fair to say that he has been. Come the summer, he'll just move and commit to another cause in another country. No biggie, really.

I agree with your sentiment regarding De Gea but you have no right to decide how people should feel. They have every right to be disgusted despite the fact that there is no reasons for it.
 
I agree with your sentiment regarding De Gea but you have no right to decide how people should feel. They have every right to be disgusted despite the fact that there is no reasons for it.

True. But I have a right to think they need to have a lie down and stop taking this football thing so seriously.
 
How do you know what players expect? As long as they get their money in the bank at then end of month they (a large majority of them) most likely don't give a monkeys what the supporters think. That aside, it seems like you're arguing with points I haven't really made so I'm not sure how to respond.

I'm certainly not suggesting that football is a profession like all others. What I am saying, however, is that the basic fundamentals of a person making a life/career choice to make themselves and their loved ones happier isn't at all different. De Gea isn't moving to spite anyone.
Well if players don't care if fans to cheer or jeer them, then why on God's green earth do they compliment the fan base all the time. Is it just for show? Why do we hear that jeering your own players is not good for their confidence if they don't give a rats arse about a fan's opinion of them?

Also, you did compare a footballer's decision to simply move on like any of us would do in our own professions. Our professions are a world apart from the footballing landscape. So to compare such career choices is not going to give the correct picture.

Although I do agree that De Gea has every right to make his own career choice but why most on here feel "disgusted" is that we have been left in a very poor position to negotiate hard as he has not signed an extension. That for me is really distasteful after all that we have invested in him.
 
I think like Ronaldo it would be wrong to move. Complete Bias aside, he's barely achieved anything at the club. It's a pity he didn't play longer under Sir Alex's reign. Just tell your Gf she's talentless and drag her ass to Manchester. You're the talented one David. You must be, between you and your gf - most of these guys here what to shove their todger up your bum! Hope he stays :( There are titles to be won. It wasn't easy losing Sir Alex
 
I hope the club learns from this to prevent future problems, with its utter focus on profit as it unfortunately is. As difficult as it is to sell important players, if we end up selling for £15m or something ridiculously low, we'd be better finding a buyer last season for him when we could have got £25m.

Any young player getting to the last 2 years of their contract should be offered a new one or sold.

Having said that, two years ago Cleverley looked a good prospect...
 
True. But I have a right to think they need to have a lie down and stop taking this football thing so seriously.

That's two different things, we can try to explain to them that no one is doing anything wrong, and they are allowed to not listen to us.
 
Stop playing Sir Moral on his high horse !

We have every right to be disgusted. Everything is about choices. If DDG leaves he made the choice that he prefers Real Madrid over us and he also made the choice (together with his agent) in running down is contract to facilitate that move. Now we are talking about a young lad whom was brought here by SAF himself for £20m, whom was given the chance of a lifetime to take over from VDS and be the first choice goalie of a team that at the time was the best in the PL and one of the best in europe. That team not only gave him that opportunity but also stuck by him during difficult periods because there have been many times the pressure was on the club to take out De Gea and play a more experienced and safer goalkeeper. We didn't do that, we believed in him and gave him every chance he could ever hope for. He realised his potential but none of that would have happened if not for the clubs support and believe in him. I'am 100% sure he would never have gotten such a chance at a club like Real Madrid.

So in a sense DDG atleast owes us his respect for believing in him and giving him the chances to turn into the keeper that he turned out to be. Now does that mean he has to stay with us for the rest of his career no ! But it would show respect on his side to want to stay with us for atleast a couple more years. He finally turned into the keeper we wanted him to be and now should be the time for him and the team to capitalize on that and win some silverware. In that regard he should have accepted our more than generous offer of £150k a week and signed a new contract for 5 years. He can always make the move to Real or Barca or whatever later, if he is one of the best they will always be interested in him but atleast he would have done right by the club by signing that contract and it would have put the club in a position where they could ask for decent money in case a transfer would be on the cards.

The club would never keep him against his will but fair compensation is the least the club deserves for investing £20m and 2 years of patience in him. However the choice it seems he made was that we were a nice club for him to be at when Real didnt want him and now that they want him he can't get out fast enough and the whole contract situation is played out to force the club's hand into giving him what he wants. So his choice clearly shows that he doesn't care about the club or what they did for him. No gratitude for believing in him and giving him his chance. So people imo have every right to feel disgusted about this. We don't show such support for young players and invest so much time and money in them just to see them bugger of to Real for smallchange.
Exactly right. Biggest issue for me. I shouldn't be, but really disappointed in him. When I think of all the times I was seething over the way the British press were treating him in those early days:rolleyes: waste of time it was.
 
My biggest fear is that this thing could drag on for quite some time.

Going by LVG's latest quotes I think DDG is still undecided. He want to stay here because we are a big club and he wants to be part of the project and the offer that is on the table is more than generous but Real Madrid also want him and that could mean he can go back to spain, live with his girlfriend and take over from Casillas which I think has been one of his goals for a long time. So it is not an easy choice because moving to Real could also be a dangerous move for him, he has not yet got the credibility out there than he has here and expectations are generally higher aswell. So on one hand he can go back to spain and he wants to but he would have to give up a really good thing that he has got going on for him right here. That means we might not know his decision for quite a while and it could drag on for some time.

If he does end up deciding that he wants to leave than we will have to sell him this year because the owner won't risk losing a player for free next summer and Van Gaal won't want to keep DDG against his will. So we will be forced to sit around the table with Real Madrid and they will no doubt try to get him for a low fee because he wants to leave and there is no competition for his signature and he has only 1 year left on his contract. But we will want to get a high fee because DDG is regarded as one of our most valuable players and we would rather not see him go at all. So that means negotiations between the clubs could drag on for quite some time as well.

Especially if these things are deferred to after the holiday period because Van Gaal will want to take a holiday first after the season and DDG and Real might want to do the same.

But while this drags on we could lose out on Cech because he will have several suitors if he his to leave Chelsea. First club that gets a deal with Cech is the club Chelsea will sell him to and I can't see that dragging out as long as De Geas situation.
 
I remain utterly convinced he'll not only be a United player next season but he'll also sign a new contract.
Are you trying to jinx any chance of him signing an extension with us? :p
 
Ay. Basically, you're one of those mental nobodies I'm talking about. If you genuinely feel that you have a right to be "disgusted" with David De Gea then you're off your rocker.

Actually his post is spot on, you're the one talking bollocks.

It's that detachment from players and clubs that turns the game into the detached circus it's becoming season after season.
 
I've seen nothing to suggest this whole "situation" isn't just the usual dance high profile players and their agents do to get a nice contract.
Rumour is that we have already offered him an obscene wage. Doubt it is about the money this time.
 
Well if players don't care if fans to cheer or jeer them, then why on God's green earth do they compliment the fan base all the time. Is it just for show? Why do we hear that jeering your own players is not good for their confidence if they don't give a rats arse about a fan's opinion of them?

Also, you did compare a footballer's decision to simply move on like any of us would do in our own professions. Our professions are a world apart from the footballing landscape. So to compare such career choices is not going to give the correct picture.

Although I do agree that De Gea has every right to make his own career choice but why most on here feel "disgusted" is that we have been left in a very poor position to negotiate hard as he has not signed an extension. That for me is really distasteful after all that we have invested in him.

Yes, the interviews that many of them give to the daily tabloids are generally made to appease. I'm sure they do like support, and appreciate it while they are out there, but for many of them I expect that once they are home and have switched off from the 90 minutes they couldn't give a flying one whether or not Kag or NK86 (two people that should be doing something more entertaining on a Sunday night) are calling them shite on an internet forum. I doubt De Gea is getting too worked up about the fact that some of the support will be narked when he leaves. There's more important things to him than that.

I initially made the comparison, yes. I accept that the role of a professional footballer is very different, but like I said, doing what is right by yourself and those around you is largely the same irrespective of the job.

From a strictly footballing perspective, that the club aren't in a position of strength is obviously frustrating, I agree with you. I'm not that emotionally involved beyond that frustration, however. The club will move on quite fine, I expect.
 
I think he's most likely leaving, but I don't think he's quite made up his mind yet probably. Van Gaal didn't seem confident of course, and if all Madrid offer is less then 30m then we should tell them to feck off and let him leave on a free next summer.

I hope we do on general principle. £30m is a joke for him. And peanuts to us so yeah...
 
I've seen nothing to suggest this whole "situation" isn't just the usual dance high profile players and their agents do to get a nice contract.

:)
 
Exactly right. Biggest issue for me. I shouldn't be, but really disappointed in him. When I think of all the times I was seething over the way the British press were treating him in those early days:rolleyes: waste of time it was.

Yup we defended him, stuck by him when that was not the obvious choice, gave him chance after chance. Not many clubs would have done that for him. Courtois was signed at the same time and Chelsea just loaned him out, didnt give a rats ass about him and let another club do the hard work. Only when Courtois showed good form for several seasons in a row did they take an interest and took him back.

Thing is they made sure he signed the damned contract renewal in time and difference with us is that they have their prime keeper right now without having had to go through the difficult stages with him whilst we lose ours after the difficult stage is finally over.
 
I think the players are such valuable assets they should not be able to sign on for another club free once their contracts expire. This is ruining clubs financially. Footballers have too much of a stronghold on the clubs.
 
Ay. Basically, you're one of those mental nobodies I'm talking about. If you genuinely feel that you have a right to be "disgusted" with David De Gea then you're off your rocker.

People have very different relationships to the clubs and players they support. I mean, if your life is pretty grim or bleak, it's easy to get way too emotionally invested in the the dealings of the club. I don't think it does any good to call those people mental nobodies and tell them to get realistic. There are a lot of sad and lonely people out there for which football serves as a substitute for what they lack in their lives, so I don't blame them for getting a bit too intense (not aiming at anyone particular in this thread)

Personally I have long ago come to the realization that I love football but despise footballers and fotball culture in general. Whenever I go to a pub or a match I just realize that I have nothing in common with most of the people there.
 
No, it's not.

We paid £20m for him when he came from Madrid

If you consider the improvements he made £30m is fecking peanuts

But I agree it is what we'll end up with because he has an ending contract... Just shows what a horrible deal it turned out to be for us once again. We keep fecking up with those contracts. Seems our young lads are awlays signed up year too late. If Pogba had commited a year earlier things would have been very different aswell. This is in my opnion a very serious problem of the clubs current contract management, we are bloody always too late with signing up our players.
 
Actually his post is spot on, you're the one talking bollocks.

It's that detachment from players and clubs that turns the game into the detached circus it's becoming season after season.

His post is genuinely mental. The detachment isn't one sided, is it? When football supporters can no longer associate footballers with being human then any kind of rationale is lost.
 
Yup we defended him, stuck by him when that was not the obvious choice, gave him chance after chance. Not many clubs would have done that for him. Courtois was signed at the same time and Chelsea just loaned him out, didnt give a rats ass about him and let another club do the hard work. Only when Courtois showed good form for several seasons in a row did they take an interest and took him back.

Thing is they made sure he signed the damned contract renewal in time and difference with us is that they have their prime keeper right now without having had to go through the difficult stages with him whilst we lose ours after the difficult stage is finally over.
Obviously we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. But if United was negotiating with him for a while, the first few times he kept hesitating regardless of us upping his pay, why didn't someone clock that maybe he was seriously thinking of wanting out? In that case, say to the player, sign the contract in the meantime and if you decide to leave we won't stand in your way kind of thing. I mean we would've protected ourselves then. But someone in the United boardroom should have noticed that something was up?
 
I think the players are such valuable assets they should not be able to sign on for another club free once their contracts expire. This is ruining clubs financially. Footballers have too much of a stronghold on the clubs.

We don't own players we own their contracts they have with us...

The fact De Gea his contract is running is the clubs fault for not starting the renewal talks in time.
 
Hmmm. You've bolded 2 seperate statements there, which part are you disagreeing with?

It's not a joke and it's not peanuts. That represent 125% of United profits in 2014 and 7% of the revenues.
 
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