United have messed this up really bad, RM are going to get De Gea a few years ahead of schedule and for next to nothing!
De Gea Contract Situation
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They have offered him a contract, he won't sign it. What can they do? The fee isn't great, I agree. The timing is all down to the De Gea camp.
They has been very little United could do for over 12 months tbh, but when you have a young spanish keeper who is improving rapidly then it makes sense to re-negotiate his contract any time, after 1 year, after 2 years.
Which just shows how perception changes with different but essentialy the same scenarios.
If he turned round and said he wanted to serve last year of his contract and go on a free next year he'd be crucified. But people actually want to make him stay for the year to spite him and madrid. Is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You could argue he's doing us a favour by trying to get a move now so we can get money out of him.
Many different ways to essentially view and judge the same situation.
My thoughts exactly. As upset as we feel, they can only be more angry, and justifiably so. Everyone's getting fecked over by this donut eating bitch except Mende$.
If it's true that DDG won't push for a move himself then it's likely he would see out his final year with us in a professional manner, and for me that is worth it just to stick two fingers up to Madrid when they need him now, and also to give us another season with a world class keeper who just might offer a crucial contribution in us winning something.
Of course if they pay a much higher fee, or chuck in a player then that would change things.
Of course if they pay a much higher fee, or chuck in a player then that would change things.
About time!
Cheers David, now piss off!
I absolutely despise these transfer sagas
Cheers David, now piss off!
I absolutely despise these transfer sagas
You and me both mate. It rarely ends well and the longer this goes on the more tainted everyone's memory of De Gea will be. He was cheered the entire match in the last home game of the season against Arsenal, and many before too. It's a shame to see a tide turning against him, but if it turns out he was planning to leave all along then I hope he leaves asap.
Actually.....
He can do one as far as I'm concerned, if thats true.
Dick move if true
He can do one as far as I'm concerned, if thats true.
Dick move if true
This is an opportunity to Woodward to show his capability
He's worth exactly what we're willing to sell him for. Or in other words, what another season with him in goal is potentially worth to us. Nothing else is relevant. We don't need the money from his sale but we do need a world class goalkeeper.
He signed a contract that lasts for one more year, so if we choose to he owes us one more year.
I think you need to grow up. A young Spanish goalkeeper with a Spanish girlfriend based in Madrid has longed to go to Madrid for years but professionally kept silent about it (and still has done even when they're coming calling) and you've got a problem with that?
I don't care if he's been plotting to go to Madrid for years. He's got every right to, and if he considered United a stepping stone fine. He gave us extremely valuable years of service, and we helped to massively improve his game to the level that Madrid want him. Sure he could have signed a new contract to make sure that we get a bigger fee, but why should he do that? If that's going to stop him moving to his dream club how does it make sense? He's not a United fan, he's a player under contract with us and that means quite simply that he's got to perform on the pitch for us - which he unquestionably has done.
I'm a Manchester United supporter.....Course I've a problem with it!
Should I be happy and wave him off at the airport?!
Someone should just tweet Jorge Mendes and ask him who we buying and selling ...
Ask him how Bebe is too
Ask him how Bebe is too
All I see from the outside is De Gea not signing a contract and so allowing Madrid to get him on the cheap. If he stays and don't sign, well he get's a nice bonus. The decent thing would be to sign a contract with a buy out clause but IF the stories are to be believed then it's unfortunate. It's a dick move by him and his 'agent'. If he wanted to see if we qualify? Who knows what the truth is, but it's an unfortunate situation. Some sadly live in a bubble.
same - tw4tish move on DDG part if true.
Even if he does go to Madrid, I still wouldn't believe a word MARCA says. This is the paper that photoshoped more Madrid fans into the picture of the United/Madrid pre-season match ffs 
Well that can't really happen unless he sits out the qualifiers. If he plays he is cup tied. I doubt if any club would tolerate that,
I don't think we should sell him for any fee less than £30m even with a year on his contract. A lot can change in a year that Madrid might have their sights on someone else, it's not like Madrid to bring in marquee players on a free, that circus would probably prefer to spend £30m on a keeper next summer than get DDG on a free so they can parade their new expensive toy round the Bernabeu.
In addition, it gives us another year of a world class keeper, another year of scouring Europe and setting up potential deals, and another year to try convince DDG to sign and that he can win trophies here. If he does sign a new contract during that season then at least we have a better bargaining position with Madrid where we agree to let him go reflective of his true value rather than £20m this summer.
If we were willing to sign a "homeless" unknown winger who even Fergie (who was considered a very stringent manager when it came to player prices) hadn't witnessed before for £7m then surely giving up £20m to have a world class keeper for another season is worth it?
In addition, it gives us another year of a world class keeper, another year of scouring Europe and setting up potential deals, and another year to try convince DDG to sign and that he can win trophies here. If he does sign a new contract during that season then at least we have a better bargaining position with Madrid where we agree to let him go reflective of his true value rather than £20m this summer.
If we were willing to sign a "homeless" unknown winger who even Fergie (who was considered a very stringent manager when it came to player prices) hadn't witnessed before for £7m then surely giving up £20m to have a world class keeper for another season is worth it?
The thing is - if we sell him at £18m or whatever the figure is supposed to be now (anything less than £30m is a joke - it should be about £50m really), we're likely going to have to pay more than that to replace him anyway. You think Levy will let us take Lloris for £18m? I doubt it - and even if he does, we're essentially downgrading the position for no financial gain. That's a bad situation. If we have to pay more (more likely), we're downgrading the position and paying for the privelige of it!
I'd much rather get 1 more year out of him. Anything can happen in that time. Madrid could get a transfer ban, or David's bird might discover a great new shop in Manchester and decide she loves it here or they break up - or anything. Or he could still go (on a free this time - but if you're paying the same amount for a replacement isn't it a bit like a free transfer anyway?), but we've got another year to really make sure we get the right guy in to replace him?
I'd much rather get 1 more year out of him. Anything can happen in that time. Madrid could get a transfer ban, or David's bird might discover a great new shop in Manchester and decide she loves it here or they break up - or anything. Or he could still go (on a free this time - but if you're paying the same amount for a replacement isn't it a bit like a free transfer anyway?), but we've got another year to really make sure we get the right guy in to replace him?
I hope he's really pissed off when he finds out he wasn't even Real's first choice GK target.
We apparently did 2 years ago. Don't think you can blame it on United.
Any updates on this saga ?
He's waiting for his girlfriend to give him permission to use the phone, so he can tell Woody that he wants to leave.
Would you rather we sold him last summer for £40m?
Its partly the reason why its becoming so difficult today to create any kind of football dominance, when the big 2 in Spain continue to stampede their way though everyone in the transfer market, especially the Spanish governments fave toy Real Madrid. We became close between 2006-09 in terms of a English and European football dominance, but we know what happened between 2008-09. If our new signing depay becomes a world class player on that special type of player, and leaves for Madrid say at 24-25, you start to question, how in the hell can the club truly become great? when these diva's of a club continue to want a new toy and set us back 2 or 3 years. If these talents continue to use us has a stepping stone, its partly why we are on 3 European cups, and Madrid are on 10, and Barca are on 5 because they get what they want like ronaldo, and we get Antonia valencia puts things into perspective. To win European cups, you got to have the players. If we keep losing the best players, its going to be hard to even get to 4 European cups, let alone 5. People say well players are out there, its not easy finding a top keeper, let alone a world class keeper like DDG at 24, drives you mad when things like this happen. This is not a one off, its becoming a frustrating pattern, and a cliche. Take ronaldo's entire career, that was a cliche, he becomes a world class player and spends his best years at Madrid yea like that was original.
Don't get the need to blame people in this scenario, I don't think anyone has really done anything wrong.
Madrid: Judt being Madrid, targeting the best players they can get and trying to get good value. Exactly what we try to do. No problem there.
De Gea: Kept playing as well as he could and helped us secure a CL place, stayed professional and said nothing to the press, did what he reasonably could to secure the move to a club that are more attractive to him for a variety of very valid reasons. No problem there either.
United: Tried to get their brilliant keeper to sign a contract, brought in quality back up and planned for alternative targets just in case, are trying to get the best deal they can and possibly prize a player they want away from Madrid. Again, no problem.
This is just one of those situations that arises when different people want different things. Everyone is (rightly) fighting their own corner in a relatively reasonable way.
Madrid: Judt being Madrid, targeting the best players they can get and trying to get good value. Exactly what we try to do. No problem there.
De Gea: Kept playing as well as he could and helped us secure a CL place, stayed professional and said nothing to the press, did what he reasonably could to secure the move to a club that are more attractive to him for a variety of very valid reasons. No problem there either.
United: Tried to get their brilliant keeper to sign a contract, brought in quality back up and planned for alternative targets just in case, are trying to get the best deal they can and possibly prize a player they want away from Madrid. Again, no problem.
This is just one of those situations that arises when different people want different things. Everyone is (rightly) fighting their own corner in a relatively reasonable way.
£50m for a goalkeeper would be mad, £50m for a player in the final year of his deal would be mad, now combine both.
I agree with you up to a point, but the thing is -
Why isn't Aguero at Madrid/Barca?
Why isn't Hazard at Madrid/Barca?
Why isn't Courtouis at Madrid/Barca?
Why isn't Silva at Madrid/Barca?
Why when Sanchez left Barca didn't we step in and outwage and outbid Arsenal - the same window we paid 60 fecking million for di Maria...?
The truth is that we've become a soft touch in the transfer window - both in who we buy and who we sell. And we have, compared to other clubs, an unhealthy relationship with Jorges Mendes - a man who's literally fleeced us in the last 8 years (Ronaldo, Anderson, Bebe, Nani's loan wages, Falcao's loan and wages, di Maria's fee) and given us literally nothing to show for it.
For all the sponsorship deals and 'official partners' we've got, what we really need are some backroom faces who know how to work transfers and contracts, a la Chelsea and City.
Not a popular opinion, perhaps, but it's true.
Still early days with hazard, ronaldo is ageing, and real will look for his long term replacement, do not be surprised if hazard gets on the eye of Madrid in the next 2 years, considering Ronaldo is 30, going on 31. Aguero silva I do not think either barca or Madrid have needed either, silva would not fit in at Madrid, and he is pretty overrated. Ronaldo, DDG I think are different, and that is the problem.
But you have to factor in our financial situation now.
It's the same as any club trying to buy first team players from Real Madrid or PSG. Yeah there's still a price but it's sky fecking high because transfer revenue isn't important to them.
Yeah this. If he really wants to go then fair enough. That doesn't mean we have to accept a shitty bid, which £18m is.
People who think we were ever going to get the likes of £50 million were living in cloud cuckoo land. We wouldn't get that if he had 5 years left on his contract, never mind 1!
Even if we only get €25m for him, that will still make him the SECOND most expensive goalkeeper in history. Goalkeepers just don't command huge fee's, even less so when they have a year left on their contract. Its all a bit shit, but its hardly the clubs fault.
Even if we only get €25m for him, that will still make him the SECOND most expensive goalkeeper in history. Goalkeepers just don't command huge fee's, even less so when they have a year left on their contract. Its all a bit shit, but its hardly the clubs fault.
Everytime I look at BBC I just hope to see that this deal has been finalized.
Same here, I'm really tired of this stupid saga.
Just feck off to Madrid already, David.
Exactly. Im actually excited about the new chapter concerning our new GK. Right now he's like the girlfriend who dumped you but hasn't moved out yet. feck outta here haha
I get the argument that he's just an employee, but it's still pretty twatish not to be upfront with the club.
Didn't real sell Alonso for peanut ? Yes, he's old but still, same logic could be applied here, first team player, wanted to move on, etc... Also Bayern sold Kroos for 22m euro, he didn't want to renew contract, personal stuff (wage demand), 1 year left in his contract, same shit.
Different ball game when he's been your best player.
I am as well. I'm confident and know that we'll get a quality replacement in.
And yeah haha, the girlfriend analogy is basically what this is.
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