I mean this is amazing,people having a go at Woodward and LvG for this...like they know better then those who are on training pitch watching players etc. He lost a focus,his head isnt here,people could see it vs Barca,in that case put your arse on the bench and fo. Whole summer i read comments how some understand Edurne`s honey boo boo and his desire to leave. Not only that,some calling names a player who did not even kick a ball for us,at least give him chance to make a mistake so you can come back and say "i told you so,fecking (X player),useless,thank you LvG,hope you get sack soon!"De Gea Contract Situation
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I mean this is amazing,people having a go at Woodward and LvG for this...like they know better then those who are on training pitch watching players etc. He lost a focus,his head isnt here,people could see it vs Barca,in that case put your arse on the bench and fo. Whole summer i read comments how some understand Edurne`s honey boo boo and his desire to leave. Not only that,some calling names a player who did not even kick a ball for us,at least give him chance to make a mistake so you can come back and say "i told you so,fecking (X player),useless,thank you LvG,hope you get sack soon!"Get sick,get well,Hang around an ink well,Ring bell,hard to tell,If anything's gonna sell. Try hard,get barred,Get back,write Braille,Get jailed,jump bail,Join the army,if you fail.
Unless Sergio Ramos becomes available, the De Gea saga will go the exact same way as the Ronaldo saga from 7 years ago:
- Always been linked with Real Madrid, this Summer it hots up and there is no secret he wants to go
- Some fans come to terms with it and want his departure, some want him to announce he is staying, either way the uncertainty is doing everyone's head in
- Player doesn't show his face for the first few weeks of the season (A bit different with De Gea - he played pre season..but still he is missing the Spurs game)
- The window shuts with us standing firm despite his head being in Madrid, everyone saying he is gone realises ''shit he is still here'' and he slowly comes back into action
- He isn't special for the first couple of months, but the fans are enjoying other players
- By March he is unreal again, everyone is jizzing over him and the player has realised while he is at United he can still boss it without acting like a baby
- In May people think he will stay after finishing the season so well, De Gea may even have signed a new contract earlier so he doesn't go on a free
- June comes, he is straight out the door..causing some shock at how we seemed to just let it happen, but people again realise he was always going to go and rather than a meltdown there is discussions about who the replacement is before we sign somebody very underwhelming
- Always been linked with Real Madrid, this Summer it hots up and there is no secret he wants to go
- Some fans come to terms with it and want his departure, some want him to announce he is staying, either way the uncertainty is doing everyone's head in
- Player doesn't show his face for the first few weeks of the season (A bit different with De Gea - he played pre season..but still he is missing the Spurs game)
- The window shuts with us standing firm despite his head being in Madrid, everyone saying he is gone realises ''shit he is still here'' and he slowly comes back into action
- He isn't special for the first couple of months, but the fans are enjoying other players
- By March he is unreal again, everyone is jizzing over him and the player has realised while he is at United he can still boss it without acting like a baby
- In May people think he will stay after finishing the season so well, De Gea may even have signed a new contract earlier so he doesn't go on a free
- June comes, he is straight out the door..causing some shock at how we seemed to just let it happen, but people again realise he was always going to go and rather than a meltdown there is discussions about who the replacement is before we sign somebody very underwhelming
You know, thinking about this, I wonder if dropping De Gea is Van Gaal taking a swipe at Woodward?
The latter has been in a mickey swinging contest with Madrid all summer and seems determined to prove a point in the transfer market. Van Gaal on the other hand may have just wanted to get rid of a wantaway player and sort out a replacement asap. It's this quote that has me wondering:
“I cannot lead this process, I can only watch and observe and that is what I’m doing. I’m not participating in that process.”
Would be just like him to fall out with senior management at the club after all.
The latter has been in a mickey swinging contest with Madrid all summer and seems determined to prove a point in the transfer market. Van Gaal on the other hand may have just wanted to get rid of a wantaway player and sort out a replacement asap. It's this quote that has me wondering:
“I cannot lead this process, I can only watch and observe and that is what I’m doing. I’m not participating in that process.”
Would be just like him to fall out with senior management at the club after all.
You could see at ADM what can happen, if a player isn't focused and commited to the club. We all know DDG qualities but this situation isn't good for us. He's already off in his mind so we have to make decisions. I fully agree and understand LVG. And we should move on too.
Good point, especially since he didn't really seem to rate him to begin with + he hasn't really said much good about him later on either.
Everything LvG says these days gets spun into him falling out with someone else. This idea of him not getting along with some had turned into he doesn't get along with anyone.
After 1:0 win against Newcastle United: "David De Gea, this year, is unbelievable.
"In my career I have a lot of good goalkeepers, for example Edwin van der Sar was one of my goalkeepers and (Victor) Valdes also with Barcelona, but De Gea is having a great season.”
After De Gea made a mistake against Aston Villa: "The fact that he has played in every match is a sign of my satisfaction with him - of course it is.
"Otherwise, I would also change him. De Gea has had a marvellous season and everybody knows that.
"He was very important in a lot of matches and therefore I can't change him."
After draw against Arsenal: "I don’t think I can persuade him because he knows everything he has at Manchester United. I don’t have to say something because he can feel it every day. You have seen the fans – unbelievable. When he is going, he is losing that. Here he has a lot of credits. He has to decide.
"He has to decide because we have given a fantastic contract because we want him to stay. Fantastic season, I think."
I stand corrected, thanks.
Knew there would be carnage in this thread today after LVG's press conference
If De Gea is not focused then for sure you can't play him Personally, I would go with Johnstone - neither he nor Big Serge seem ready - but at least Sam speaks English so can communicate with our defence.
Not quite sure what else Louis could have said about De Gea - wish he'd lied and said he suffered an injury, just to keep the speculation and hysteria to a minimum and just keep everything under cover for a while.
However, all this is De Gea's fault at the end of the day. The club have the right to dictate the terms of his exit because he signed a legally binding contract with us which is still running. As I've said numerous times, he and Mendes have treated our club like the shit under their shoe. De Gea should have spoken to us first and simply explained that he wished to return home. He then signs the extension with a release clause the club finds acceptable. Had he done that before speaking to Madrid (I have no doubt Mendes at least started negotiating with them a while back), the club and he himself would have been in a better negotiating position, and seeing what's happened with Casillas leaving - Madrid would have paid his release clause and he would be there right now. Instead, he and Mendes allowed Madrid to take the upper hand and demand that he not renew. Of course Madrid seeing they could get him for little or nothing took full advantage.
I don't know if Dave is a cnut or just young and naive, that he didn't think about the consequences of what he was doing behind our backs?
In light of all this, I can't say I blame Woodward and LVG for the stance they took - I personally would have done the same - I would have been furious at Dave and Mendes for their underhand dealings. However, I would have set out a provisio - tell Madrid they have X amount of time before the season starts, to put in a bid we consider acceptable. If they don't meet the deadline, then all talk of a transfer stops. Then I would sit Dave down and tell him unless we get that fee, you will be here for one more season and then you can go. Would also subtly put to the forefront of this mind that it's in his best interests to perform well for Euro 2016 etc etc. Obvious he doesn't give a feck about United, but to keep him focused I would manipulate him a bit physchologically by using his desire to be as No.1 for his national team.
In any case, our problem was not setting a deadline and letting it drag on is what I think.
If De Gea is not focused then for sure you can't play him Personally, I would go with Johnstone - neither he nor Big Serge seem ready - but at least Sam speaks English so can communicate with our defence.
Not quite sure what else Louis could have said about De Gea - wish he'd lied and said he suffered an injury, just to keep the speculation and hysteria to a minimum and just keep everything under cover for a while.
However, all this is De Gea's fault at the end of the day. The club have the right to dictate the terms of his exit because he signed a legally binding contract with us which is still running. As I've said numerous times, he and Mendes have treated our club like the shit under their shoe. De Gea should have spoken to us first and simply explained that he wished to return home. He then signs the extension with a release clause the club finds acceptable. Had he done that before speaking to Madrid (I have no doubt Mendes at least started negotiating with them a while back), the club and he himself would have been in a better negotiating position, and seeing what's happened with Casillas leaving - Madrid would have paid his release clause and he would be there right now. Instead, he and Mendes allowed Madrid to take the upper hand and demand that he not renew. Of course Madrid seeing they could get him for little or nothing took full advantage.
I don't know if Dave is a cnut or just young and naive, that he didn't think about the consequences of what he was doing behind our backs?
In light of all this, I can't say I blame Woodward and LVG for the stance they took - I personally would have done the same - I would have been furious at Dave and Mendes for their underhand dealings. However, I would have set out a provisio - tell Madrid they have X amount of time before the season starts, to put in a bid we consider acceptable. If they don't meet the deadline, then all talk of a transfer stops. Then I would sit Dave down and tell him unless we get that fee, you will be here for one more season and then you can go. Would also subtly put to the forefront of this mind that it's in his best interests to perform well for Euro 2016 etc etc. Obvious he doesn't give a feck about United, but to keep him focused I would manipulate him a bit physchologically by using his desire to be as No.1 for his national team.
In any case, our problem was not setting a deadline and letting it drag on is what I think.
This. I called it in the match day thread. Everyone seemed convinced that DDG will start but I can't see it.
He didn't look right vs PSG. His head has already transferred.
No. The onus should be on Valdes to do that. LVG has to maintain his stance or he'll lose the respect of the team.
I blame Juan. Where were his hugs when they were needed most?
Looks like he's not even at the hotel with the team, so he's completely dropped from the squad...
No hugs for thugs, brah.
LvG is unusually candid for a manager; I tend to think he calls it as he sees. I believe him.
so the complete blinder we've played on this one, to avoid not losing the option of having him play for us has erm......resulted in not having him play for us, but without any fee for selling, and without a top keeper in place.
Not looking genius right now.
Not looking genius right now.
bringing back those bad memories of seeing "RONALDO SIGNS FOR REAL FOR 80M"
just after Fergie had said we wouldn't "sell them a virus", and with seemingly no warning after presuming we'd batted Madrid off.
sad times.
For all the posturing with Madrid this was always going to end in two ways, them getting him for a knock down price before the window closes or him leaving on a free next season with the first option almost being inevitable.
It's ended up the worse case scenario he will be sold before window shuts and he won't even be playing so we will end up with a perennial number two or an unproven youngster in goal. We tried playing hard ball and lost and have to question if squeezing a few million more from Madrid is really worth all the uncertainty we now have.
We are the big losers we will sell de gea and probably spend all the money on the very ordinary Cillessen who is no better than Romero or have to take a reduced fee and navas who isn't great either.
It's ended up the worse case scenario he will be sold before window shuts and he won't even be playing so we will end up with a perennial number two or an unproven youngster in goal. We tried playing hard ball and lost and have to question if squeezing a few million more from Madrid is really worth all the uncertainty we now have.
We are the big losers we will sell de gea and probably spend all the money on the very ordinary Cillessen who is no better than Romero or have to take a reduced fee and navas who isn't great either.
Once bitten twice shy? You'll be okay...
Ogden's new article confirms the issue is Madrid simply not paying the fee we want, it's messing with DDG's head, and it's messing up our start the season.
Karma is a wonderful thing and I pray this will come back and bite them on arse some day soon.
Karma is a wonderful thing and I pray this will come back and bite them on arse some day soon.
It was about a year to be fair and - as Fergie points out in his book, there was little else we could do. At least we made £80m on Ronaldo - De Gea on a free, when we could cash-in now, would be pretty stupid (regardless of the fact it's Real).
At this point we either need to sell or keep him here and still get another number one (only if Madrid won't give us a fair price, I definitely don't want us bowing down to them and getting rid on the cheap). I can't believe we've let it get to the point where it's affecting our season and we have no real first choice keeper.
well those who voted no like me were wrong - he's still at united. it is next season.
What I recall from the Day Ronaldo got sold is there was a report on TMZ saying Ronaldo and his entourage were partying in Los Angeles and that he spent the night with Paris Hilton.
Just reading LVG's comments in this article - believe De Gea is definitely messed up mentally about all that's going on. If I were him, I would sign a contract extension with United immediately and get on with my career. Perez and co unsettling the player is just not on imo.
Can't De Gea see them for what they really are?
Well, what do you want to do when Real is haggling with price, making bids that are nowhere near De Gea's value? If we bought for example Lloris, Real Madrid would have even more of the upper hand in the De Gea transfer, because we couldn't go into a new season with two goalkeepers who expect to be first choice. It's just a very difficult situation and all because Perez is being a cnut basically.
I didn't change my vote from Yes. Knew he'd stay as I knew we'd be very stubborn about it.
Nope the boy wants to go back to Madrid. He's acted like a dick head. Not mentally ready for feck sake he's not performing brain surgery he's playing in goals for a football team and getting paid handsomely (reality check needed)
Is he really worth keeping then? A De Gea at 50% isn't better than the alternatives on the market IMO.
The guy just wants to go home I don't think anyone can hold that against him, the issue though is Madrid think they can just steamroller all over us and get him for peanuts, this disrespects DDG and United imo and quite rightly we are not standing for it, the risk for DDG is a complete loss of form and been out of the team, the knock on effect could be no Euro place, and Madrid losing any interest.
Best thing he could do now is sign a new deal with a buy out clause of £30 million, then it will force Madrid to prove they really want him, and him an incentive to stay in top form, not likely I know but if he wants to go with dignity it could be the best option.[/QUOTE]
That's fair too, but at least if we had a real keeper here other than DDG we'd be protected on our end. Tell Real we're set so we aren't bothered either way what happens with DDG, pay what we want or he can hang out with the reserves.
I don't know what the best solution is I guess, but I really just don't want to see us cave in to Real after all of this.
After this De Gea stuff is done - I hope we never do business with Madrid again - unless some sane person replaces Perez and changes the way they do business there. So angry because we don't need this shit distraction at the start of the season.
We'll drag our feet, we haven't replaced him and the GKs we have at the club aren't good enough. Whoever we did decide to buy to replace De Gea would cost a fortune as that club would need to buy a replacement as the seasons begun. He'll be sold in January I think.
For all the people complaining about LVG not playing him tomorrow.
If he sticks around, he'll get over it and try to secure his place in the Spanish Euro squad. He's a professional after all, not an adolescent.
Similar to Schneiderlin as someone already pointed out.
De Gea is not Schneiderlin though. It's not that I question his professionalism, but they are after all different people and will handle situations differently.
“Manchester United always have to pay,” Van Gaal said. “We have to pay for all the players a certain amount, and what have Real Madrid offered? We are asking money and they have to pay the money. In the last few years Manchester United has paid a lot of money and we never received a lot of money for our players.” http://www.theguardian.com/football...david-de-gea-manchester-united-louis-van-gaal
Can't argue with that.
Can't argue with that.
Wouldn't it be weird if DDG went there and just suddenly just turned shit, like Atletico's long term plan finally coming to fruition.
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