But Sir Alex got £80M for Ronaldo. We ain't getting shit for De Gea. I also didn't say we wouldn't sell to them. The point is Real do not want to give us any kind of reasonable fee. They want to give us much less than what we paid for him - that's the issue.
De Gea Contract Situation
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DDG was always looking forward to going back to Spain. He is not signing a new, much better contract, as he obviously wants to leave. This is an established fact now. Another fact is that Real Madrid do not want to pay the money that we want them to. We can not and should not be bullied. Either DDG focuses and earns his place back in the starting 11 (and I am sure LvG would love to have one more brilliant season from De Gea), or he spends a year on the bench, which is indeed risky for his further career. I am fully behind the club's stance on this matter. Well done LvG and Woody, very well done.
P.S. I am sure the rest of the Spanish gang will remain professional and continue to give their all on the pitch.
P.S. I am sure the rest of the Spanish gang will remain professional and continue to give their all on the pitch.
Its not that we dont want to sell, but rather for the right price..even with Ronaldo we only sold for 30 mil pounds above the previous record fee, before the madness in fees we see now..so I trust in our stance...Remember two years ago with the Rooney bids from Chelsea, we stood our ground there too even after they had offered 40 mil..My point is that we know when to hold out..
United can value him as much as they like, the true value is what someone else are prepared to pay.
Well no, I mean't I'd love to hear what they think. Considering that Real are their big rivals and a supposed Atletico "fan" and a product of their club is so desperate to join Real
United should have got far more out of Ronaldo than 80m, real underpayed for Ronaldo, and I don't think Woodward is letting Madrid forget about that. If the current setup was in charge back in 2009, more likely we would have got 200 or even 250 million, considering Ronaldo had 4 years left on his contract the club were a bit to easy to accept a fee like that
Only if you are actively trying to sell...
Yeah, not sure about that.
Both Rooney and Ronaldo were not on last year of their contracts. We can hold firm in those instances.
Probably why they thought getting De Gea would be a piece of cake - we set a bad precedent then which Woody is trying to reverse, so yes you're right, I reckon Woodward would have taken them to the cleaners if he'd been in charge.
Edit - not necesssarily for £200M though....
United are desperate to resolve the matter. We have 5 first team goalkeepers on our books.
Not really sure why we are debating this. It's very simple.
- De Gea wants out
- Madrid will pay as little as they can
- He's in his last year of his contract
- We'll accept whatever bid we get and try dress it up that we got what we wanted.
Meanwhile, he'll find out the grass isn't greener on the other side, once Real fans turn on him and I'll be shitting myself anytime a football goes near Romero
This "stance" United are taken is pointless. They can't win here
- De Gea wants out
- Madrid will pay as little as they can
- He's in his last year of his contract
- We'll accept whatever bid we get and try dress it up that we got what we wanted.
Meanwhile, he'll find out the grass isn't greener on the other side, once Real fans turn on him and I'll be shitting myself anytime a football goes near Romero
This "stance" United are taken is pointless. They can't win here
Yes, but if the value is not met , they wont sell..you said that the money men would not refuse a 20-30 mil fee..they arent losing that here..Madrid are offering something like 15 mil pounds..thats less than United get from AON for the training gear..I have shown you cases where we have not crumbled, so its not beyond the realms of possibilty that we will stick to our guns..Remember, the Rooney saga was much more difficult than this, with Chelsea making bids then disclosing them to the media( Just like they did with Stones)..I still remember the manager then( Davy) saying that the club had a stance that they promised him they would abide to..2 years later, I see another manager saying the exact same thing,so that is why I have faith in the club.
Arsenal were still paying for their stadium.
We paid quite a bit to have Falcao for a year, we can soak up a similar loss to keep De Gea too.
Has there ever been a top international player been left on the bench for a full season? It certainly won't happen in this instance. United will have to sell or give up on 20/30 Million. I'm realistic enough to accept money and player power usually win.
Ronaldo was close to his contract ending , but then made a deal to renew on the basis that he could leave for a record fee..If he hadnt signed that like De gea has, then we have the same thing
For feck's sake, guys, I'm away for an hour and a half and someone gets away with making an expression in which the probability can go over 1. Amateurs.
How? If we had Ronaldo now at 24, scoring and winning games in the manner in which Ronaldo is capable of, why wouldn't Ronaldo command a fee of 200m? Considering the image rights, the brand of Ronaldo only going to grow. I think 200m would be the fee the club would go for? If Madrid had Ronaldo originally, and we tried to sign him, wouldn't Madrid value him a fee so insane it would break new records
This is also more about a settled squad than money. It's also not great having this uncertainty hanging over the club.
Dmytro Chygrynskiy?
Interesting mention. He actually dismissed his agent because he was happy with his life and salary at the club (I'm paraphrasing by memory there), and didn't feel the need for someone to represent him. I think this was back when he played his best football for us as well. He should be celebrated daily for that move alone!
On to DDG, I'm very curious as to how this will turn out. I can't really see him staying nor leaving at this point, which leaves him in a sort of purgatory. Which I guess is pretty accurate.
Probably why they thought getting De Gea would be a piece of cake - we set a bad precedent then which Woody is trying to reverse, so yes you're right, I reckon Woodward would have taken them to the cleaners if he'd been in charge.
Edit - not necesssarily for £200M though....
I think 200m is quiet a reasonable fee, Madrid would want an insane fee for Ronaldo if they had him and we tried to sign him. Same with messi, imagine trying to sign a messi at 24, It's a price I don't think you can put on his head
Probably in terms of transfer fees today... but it would be insane. Sorry though, I thought you meant getting £200m at the time Ronaldo was sold. But nowadays, who knows what a 24 yr old Ronaldo or Messi would cost...?
Ive heard about that story too..I appreciate players like that..
I really think they played this move wrongly, but LVG dropping him now seems like a good decision, whether or not Romero succeeds here..it really ramps up the pressure on them.
De Gea was left out yesterday because in all probabilities discussions are ongoing.
Firstly, you didn't say 'if we had Ronaldo now at 24', you said if Woodward had been in charge back in 2009.
We were maybe getting an extra £40 - 50million, at most. An extra £120+ million? I just couldn't see that happening. Fees weren't at that level at the time.
How much did Neymar end up costing Barcelona?
If only we were debating this. Some on here didn't really pay attention in class and are now taking it out on others in a child like fashion
If Ronaldo was their only transfer I would agree, but they went crazy on transfers and desperate to compete with the pep era at barca. I think back then 200 million would be reasonable considering how much Madrid were willing to spend on transfers, I think we should have squeezed every last penny out of that deal. If they were willing to spend 60 plus million on kaka, Ronaldo could have gone for 150 million. They were desperate after seeing barca clean house
But we really havent made it a secret that we are having negotiations with them..but we also havent made it a secret that we want a reasonable price..
Van Gaal:
We wouldnt allow our manager to go out there and make a fool of himself if we were not willing to back him.
Like we accepted Chelsea's bid for Rooney when he wanted out?
We would be in the same negotiating mode if we were buying a player in De Gea's situation.
But if we didnt meet the buying clubs demands, then we wouldnt get the player in that window..its probably what happened to us with Otamendi..selling clubs are no longer buckling nowadays..even the midtable clubs..lets just see how this ends, but I doubt it'll end as badly as you think..De gea put us in a terrible position here, but we have dealt with this admirably since then..at least give the club that..
Llorente was left in the bench (for the same reason) for half a season or so, after Athletic Club refused to sell him for 20m to Juventus. He played regularly in the second half of the season and then left for free.
But then, you have Rooney saying he never wanted out.
That was just odd. I firmly believe that was just Fergie, firing shots at Rooney, before he went
Yeah, I suspect that discussions, albeit perhaps not official or leading to a formal bid, are and have been ongoing for quite a while, even if only through people like Mendes. Eventually he (or one of his sharp-suited, hair-gelled gimps) will present us with something close enough to what we'd accept and De Gea will be off. I don't begrudge him his move. It makes perfect sense from his point of view. What I don't really understand is how it got this far. Unless he really strung is along it seems a pretty lax approach to allow one of the best players in his position in the world to just drift towards the final year of his deal.
Here's the thing here also.....
We have, at the moment, 5 goalkeepers.
1. De Gea wants out
2. Valdes is being sacked off
3. Big Anders is not rated by LvG
4. Sammers is pushing for a loan
5. Romero is suspect.
If we sell De Gea, that will leave us with one Goalkeeper Hope to God we have some sort of plan
We have, at the moment, 5 goalkeepers.
1. De Gea wants out
2. Valdes is being sacked off
3. Big Anders is not rated by LvG
4. Sammers is pushing for a loan
5. Romero is suspect.
If we sell De Gea, that will leave us with one Goalkeeper
Hope to God we have some sort of plan And that was an "angry and confused "Rooney..We are not mugs..we can play dirty..I remember that at that time we let it slip that Chelsea had offered Luiz and Mata ..they were angry with that I recall..and denied that they had any plans to sell any( sold them both within 12 months)...We have played dirty now by demanding their captain and la decima hero for our 1 year contract gk...some people would probably have us loan De Gea to Madrid and just get it over with, have some faith..
Didn't Mourinho confirm that Rooney had instigated the Chelsea interest/bid? Admittedly you could trust him about as far as you could shite him through a sewn up anus, but I seem to remember him alluding to that.
Chelsea would never make two bids for a player without any encouragement from the player's camp..You dont do that at all..
Youre looking at the muppet equation, no logic applies here. The probability equation was posted prior.
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