It's hard to take someone serious when "the most important metric of all - league goals scored" comparing a player like Pogba and Ali. It's like saying that Sneijder is better than Xavi because he scored more goals.
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It's hard to take someone serious when "the most important metric of all - league goals scored" comparing a player like Pogba and Ali. It's like saying that Sneijder is better than Xavi because he scored more goals.
I gotta say as a Spurs supporter it warms my heart with how every other supporter knows Levy and what an absolute tight-arse he is to deal with.Whoops, missed your post.
And agreed, Levy is a shrewd prick.
No, it's not like that, for the simple reason that I haven't said Alli is better than Pogba. And nor are goals scored the only metric on which Alli surpassed Pogba last season ... being the only full season so far in which both players have been playing top-flight football.
No doubt he is a good player, but I wonder if he would be as good at another team. Look how well Southampton played under Pochettino. So well that Liverpool and us bought their best players, but they didn't turn out so great.
The manager is obviously the star of that Spurs team.
The manager is obviously the star of that Spurs team.
"Sneijder, based on the most important metric of all - goals scored, is miles ahead of Xavi." While technically this statement is correct, because Sheijder indeed scored more goals than Xavi, it's stupid to compare these two using as "the most important metric the goals scored".
Which are the other metrics on which Alli surpassed Pogba last season?
We missed out on Alli. He looked a player even at MK at 18. Spurs is a good club for him and Kane, though, hope they stay there for England's sake. Going to Spain would be a real error - I don't think it will happen.
The manager is undoubtably the most important and influencial person. We could survive the selling of most players but we couldnt replace Pochettino imo. He is that good.
As I've already earlier said in this thread:
Last season: even allowing for the fact that Pogba was playing in a weaker league and played 22% more minutes Alli, the latter's stats are better for:
* Goals scored
* Defence score
* Key passes
* Chances created
* Tackles won
* Interceptions
* Clearances
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...uels_won_%/interceptions/blocks/clearances#90
Ok, fair enough.
But I think it would be better If you compared them this season, when they play the same set of opponents.
Based on what you posted, pogba's total attack and possession score is higher than alli's so if we compare on an overall basis rather than cherry picking stats, pogba was better offensively, in possession while alli was better defensively.
And if you compare the total score this season, allis offensive score is higher(28 to 23) but his defensive and possession scores are way worse(-2 vs 2 for defense, and -4 to 6 for possession) so he is clearly not playing like a midfielder or failing at being a good one.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m.../defence_score/possession_score/clearances#90
The only reason I "cherry-picked" those stats originally was to refute the ludicrous claim made earlier in this thread that Pogba was better than Alli in all aspects of the game apart from goal-scoring.
And yes, it's true that last season Alli was playing more as a CM than this season so far.
Oh, in that case I do agree with you. I wouldnt say he is better than alli in all aspects of the game but is ahead of him in most of them but thats understandable given alli's age.
Keeps on getting linked with Real. You just know Florentino is itching to blow his load after being denied the past two summers, just a matter of whether his offer will meet Spurs' valuation.
Love his lack of celebration for his goal vs. City. He might not be the most gifted or graceful athlete, but he's got tons of bite and brains to him.
Love his lack of celebration for his goal vs. City. He might not be the most gifted or graceful athlete, but he's got tons of bite and brains to him.
In the Spanish papers as well.
But £50m who's he kidding, Oscar just went for £60m.
I don't think we'll sell but if we do it will be starting with a 1 and it won't be between 10 & 20.
£1m? That's generous
£1m? That's generous
Was thinking more like 1.1
But Perez will know it's going to take over a £100m to even possibly get Levy's attention.
He's doing the most difficult thing in football (scoring goals) well.
If he offers say 65m up front with add ons of up to 35m, do you think Levy will bite?
More importantly, do you think Poch will be affected by his player getting poached or do you think he'll pull a Simeone and push forward?
No I don't, I don't think Levy will sell for a straight £100m cash. We aren't a rich club but we also don't need the money. The stadium is well on track and the last I saw which was a while back we had already spent £200m without borrowing. I actually think we are going to have less of a financial impact with the stadium than a lot of people think.
Re Poch I have no concerns about him, but if he should go it's football. He is incredible for us, but there's always life after any individual and the club as a whole is going the right way.
Had the fewest touches on the pitch in the first half yesterday.
Pretty much sums up his biggest criticism of hardly offering anything when his team isn't dominating and needs him to help out.
Pretty much sums up his biggest criticism of hardly offering anything when his team isn't dominating and needs him to help out.
Or it shows we couldn't get the ball to either him or Kane.
We were so poor yesterday, especially first half. Out of all the teams in the league we absolutely refuse to not try and play out, even more than City. We made so many mistakes doing this yesterday in our own third and invited masses of pressure. We just didn't get the ball to Kane, Eriksen and Alli. The couple of times we did second half they delivered.
That's my point, for a 'midfielder' there shouldn't be a need to be relying completely on service and it's your job to participate in the midfield battle and take the ball. He pretty much played like a forward and seems like he's playing closer to the goal as he likes to get them more than coming deeper to join the midfield as that might mean him not getting enough chances to score.
We were struggling to get the ball to anyone, our 3 most offensive players are Kane, Alli & Eriksen. I honestly don't think we can look at those 3 yesterday, we want them to receive the ball in certain areas and not to sacrifice our shape too much. Both Alli and Eriksen were doing more defensive work than we wanted and we just didn't get the ball to them in any decent areas, when we did later on they got us back in it. I really don't think we could have got much more from them yesterday as the match was played in our third.
We were so poor, we invited the trouble and got it in spades.
I think more and more that he'd be the player to buy if we are spending £60m+ on an attacking player this season.
If we had a choice of him or Griezmann playing in the attacking midfield role I think he'd be better suited. Plus being English, younger, PL experienced...
If we had a choice of him or Griezmann playing in the attacking midfield role I think he'd be better suited. Plus being English, younger, PL experienced...
Thank God Liverpool fecked this transfer up so badly.
Gerrard needed his nap.
Best young midfielder in the world ATM
He's Madrid bound imo. Summer after World Cup he's going to a bigger club.
Really very jealous that spurs have him. He is already fantastic and will become one of the best in the world aged 25.
All aboard the HYPE TRAIN! CHOO CHOO!
He's had a fantastic season, buts let's not jump the gun just yet. A young guy like him consistency is usually the issue, we had the problem with Sterling. If he can keep it up then hes got a bright future.
Staying at Spurs for the next 2 seasons at least is in his interests.
He's had a fantastic season, buts let's not jump the gun just yet. A young guy like him consistency is usually the issue, we had the problem with Sterling. If he can keep it up then hes got a bright future.
Staying at Spurs for the next 2 seasons at least is in his interests.
He has done it for 2 years now and is improving all the time. He is the real deal.
Who's better than him in his age bracket?
He really is. Such a joy to watch.
Thing with Delle is, he doesn't even look like he's maximising his talent at the moment. At times you feel like he's playing within himself.
The way to truly judge how good he is if he was playing for a proper big club with pressure to perform and where he is at a club where title wins are imperative and he is expected to win CLs. Playing for Spurs is easy.
You're kidding. Anyone would love to have him in their side
He's is already way beyond 'young' as he has Completed his foundational skills development. And you can easily see he has yet more potential to fulfill.
CLosest I've seen to a young Paul Scholes
He's a million miles ahead of Sterling at that age.
Nevermind england's best young midfielder, best midfielder fullstop in the prem at the moment.
How we laughed when he was compared to Pogba, oops.
How we laughed when he was compared to Pogba, oops.
Let's all calm down shall we.
Him ahead of Pogba and Fabinho