Dele Alli is England's best young midfielder playing in Turkey

balaks said:
He has done it for 2 years now and is improving all the time. He is the real deal.
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Walters_19_MuFc said:
Who's better than him in his age bracket?
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Raees said:
Thing with Delle is, he doesn't even look like he's maximising his talent at the moment. At times you feel like he's playing within himself.

The way to truly judge how good he is if he was playing for a proper big club with pressure to perform and where he is at a club where title wins are imperative and he is expected to win CLs. Playing for Spurs is easy.
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dichinero said:
You're kidding. Anyone would love to have him in their side
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sammsky1 said:
He's is already way beyond 'young' as he has Completed his foundational skills development. And you can easily see he has yet more potential to fulfill.

CLosest I've seen to a young Paul Scholes
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Massive Spanner said:
He's a million miles ahead of Sterling at that age.
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I just think we use the phrase "Real or Barca will come calling in the summer" too much. Coutinho? Real or Barca will come calling. Hazard? Real or Barca will come calling.

No, they won't. Coutinho is inconsistent, Hazard is having his comeback season after being diabolical last year and as for Alli. He's great, doing really well, but being at Spurs is perfect for him at the moment. Lets not forget Spurs aren't some chumps wanting to get in the CL anymore, they're a top side in a top league competing for titles.
 
Raees said:
Thing with Delle is, he doesn't even look like he's maximising his talent at the moment. At times you feel like he's playing within himself.

The way to truly judge how good he is if he was playing for a proper big club with pressure to perform and where he is at a club where title wins are imperative and he is expected to win CLs. Playing for Spurs is easy.
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Seriously?

So when we rave about the likes of Mbappe, Dembele, Belotti, Weigl, etc, that's not the case, but when it's a young English player, doing it week in week out in arguably the toughest league in the world, then the only way to 'truly judge how good he is if he was playing for a proper big club with pressure to perform and where he is at a club where title wins are imperative and he is expected to win CLs'.

I disagree. He can only perform at the club he is currently at, and as has been said, he's been doing that for two years now. Two of those years Spurs have challenged for the title, so there's definitely pressure on him.

To me, Alli seems like his has the mentality to go all the way to the top. He doesn't seem phased.
 
If he continues like this I do see him going to Spain and following in Bale's footsteps. Bale had one outstanding season and Madrid came for him, but Alli has had 2 impressive seasons in a row. He may be loyal to Spurs for a couple more seasons, but I do see him going to Real Madrid in the near future. He is thriving with good players around him, but he'll thrive even more with world class players to his left, right and in front of him at Real.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Seriously?

So when we rave about the likes of Mbappe, Dembele, Belotti, Weigl, etc, that's not the case, but when it's a young English player, doing it week in week out in arguably the toughest league in the world, then the only way to 'truly judge how good he is if he was playing for a proper big club with pressure to perform and where he is at a club where title wins are imperative and he is expected to win CLs'.

I disagree. He can only perform at the club he is currently at, and as has been said, he's been doing that for two years now. Two of those years Spurs have challenged for the title, so there's definitely pressure on him.

To me, Alli seems like his has the mentality to go all the way to the top. He doesn't seem phased.
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You're misunderstanding what I said. Delle Alli is on the same level of the talents you mentioned.

That is not up for debate.

But people saying he is better than Rooney or Gerrard.. talent wise he deserves to be mentioned alongside them but in order to compare how good he is, of course we have to see how he fares for genuinely big clubs with very expectant fan bases and also how he does for the national team. Based on how he has done for England so far.. I think he will be much more influential in the international arena than those two were. Club wise if Spurs become title winners next year and he stays then yes great, but I don't see it happening and I think he'll have to move to a bigger club in order to have a shot at elite CL knock out football.
 
Raees said:
You're misunderstanding what I said. Delle Alli is on the same level of the talents you mentioned.

That is not up for debate.

But people saying he is better than Rooney or Gerrard.. talent wise he deserves to be mentioned alongside them but in order to compare how good he is, of course we have to see how he fares for genuinely big clubs with very expectant fan bases and also how he does for the national team. Based on how he has done for England so far.. I think he will be much more influential in the international arena than those two were. Club wise if Spurs become title winners next year and he stays then yes great, but I don't see it happening and I think he'll have to move to a bigger club in order to have a shot at elite CL knock out football.
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You mentioned Gerrard at the 'big club' Liverpool (they are big) who have finished below spurs for most of the seasons in the last decade.
 
LFC-Fans said:
I just think we use the phrase "Real or Barca will come calling in the summer" too much. Coutinho? Real or Barca will come calling. Hazard? Real or Barca will come calling.

No, they won't. Coutinho is inconsistent, Hazard is having his comeback season after being diabolical last year and as for Alli. He's great, doing really well, but being at Spurs is perfect for him at the moment. Lets not forget Spurs aren't some chumps wanting to get in the CL anymore, they're a top side in a top league competing for titles.
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I agree. Everyone knee-jerks when players have a good season but I think that with some players, the reason they're playing so well is because of the environment they're in.

Alli should stay put for now. Spurs are moving in the right direction and he's getting better all the time.
 
Raees said:
You're misunderstanding what I said. Delle Alli is on the same level of the talents you mentioned.

That is not up for debate.

But people saying he is better than Rooney or Gerrard.. talent wise he deserves to be mentioned alongside them but in order to compare how good he is, of course we have to see how he fares for genuinely big clubs with very expectant fan bases and also how he does for the national team. Based on how he has done for England so far.. I think he will be much more influential in the international arena than those two were. Club wise if Spurs become title winners next year and he stays then yes great, but I don't see it happening and I think he'll have to move to a bigger club in order to have a shot at elite CL knock out football.
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I didn't misunderstand what you said.

You talk about Alli being able to do it at a big club.

I said that when talking about other young talents, who are currently not at 'big clubs', that doesn't always get mentioned.
 
balaks said:
You mentioned Gerrard at the 'big club' Liverpool (they are big) who have finished below spurs for most of the seasons in the last decade.
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He won the CL for them. Was a key part in two runner up campaigns and won a FA cup final for them.

Huge club with huge expectations that can weigh heavily on a players shoulders and you can't compare that to a Spurs where the fans don't expect as much.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I didn't misunderstand what you said.

You talk about Alli being able to do it at a big club.

I said that when talking about other young talents, who are currently not at 'big clubs', that doesn't always get mentioned.
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They all have the same thing to prove. None of them are ahead of each other on that part, if anything Alli is more proven than any of the names you mentioned on that list.

Playing for a Dortmund or Spurs is easier than playing for United, Madrid etc.
 
Ramshock said:
£100 million would make Levy think..even if the bid was from United
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Nah. I doubt Ali would want to leave just yet. He shouldn't in my opinion.

This squad is really onto something, all key players on very long term contracts, with a manager who knows how to play attacking winning football, getting better every year and he's living in London and becoming one its most successful and admired young people. He should stay at least 2 more years and see where the Spurs project takes him.

He should be smart and use incoming bids to increase his salary for him though. He will continue to get better, a bar a career ending injury, will command world records fees 2 years time.
 
As many league goals as Ibrahimovic, mental. Ibra is by far our top scorer yet Alli isn't even theirs.
 
Klopper76 said:
I agree. Everyone knee-jerks when players have a good season but I think that with some players, the reason they're playing so well is because of the environment they're in.

Alli should stay put for now. Spurs are moving in the right direction and he's getting better all the time.
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I wonder what Spurs plan will be regarding a new deal. He only signed one in the Summer keeping him there until 2022, but at the same time I imagine he'll be looking for a substantial increase this Summer.

I imagine Spurs will increase his salary again substantially adding another year onto his deal. Not that they need to with 5 years remaining, but they'll want to keep him happy rather than have other clubs in his agents ear saying he could earn 6-7x as much.
 
finneh said:
I wonder what Spurs plan will be regarding a new deal. He only signed one in the Summer keeping him there until 2022, but at the same time I imagine he'll be looking for a substantial increase this Summer.

I imagine Spurs will increase his salary again substantially adding another year onto his deal. Not that they need to with 5 years remaining, but they'll want to keep him happy.
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Probably
 
Klopper76 said:
I agree. Everyone knee-jerks when players have a good season but I think that with some players, the reason they're playing so well is because of the environment they're in.

Alli should stay put for now. Spurs are moving in the right direction and he's getting better all the time.
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You can say that for every player in the world though.
 
Hojoon said:
You can say that for every player in the world though.
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Not necessarily. Some players are obviously class and would excel anywhere. Suarez for example was always going to be incredible regardless of which club he was playing for.

Then look at someone like Di Maria. He was incredible at Madrid but the move to United didn't do him any good.

Alli is in the Di Maria category imo.
 
finneh said:
I wonder what Spurs plan will be regarding a new deal. He only signed one in the Summer keeping him there until 2022, but at the same time I imagine he'll be looking for a substantial increase this Summer.

I imagine Spurs will increase his salary again substantially adding another year onto his deal. Not that they need to with 5 years remaining, but they'll want to keep him happy rather than have other clubs in his agents ear saying he could earn 6-7x as much.
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He'll get a big new deal. This is what Levy has been good at recently. Keeping everyone locked down on longterm contracts with the promise of if you perform you'll always get a raise and Levy always keeps that promise, even if it means multiple new contracts in the same year.
 
Klopper76 said:
Not necessarily. Some players are obviously class and would excel anywhere. Suarez for example was always going to be incredible regardless of which club he was playing for.

Then look at someone like Di Maria. He was incredible at Madrid but the move to United didn't do him any good.

Alli is in the Di Maria category imo.
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Suarez does fit well with Barca's current system and environment though. He's also a much better player than Di Maria or Alli in general, but the point is every single player is dependent on their environment.
 
Sweech said:
He'll get a big new deal. This is what Levy has been good at recently. Keeping everyone locked down on longterm contracts with the promise of if you perform you'll always get a raise and Levy always keeps that promise, even if it means multiple new contracts in the same year.
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In truth the last few years have been a perfect storm for Levy. Doing all the things he's always been great at such as managing the wage structure, getting the best deals possible and ensuring no player has the upper hand in negotiations; whilst having manager who negates almost all of his flaws. It helps of course that selecting managers which is also a huge flaw of his is also now redundant - you can thank Ed Woodward employing LVG for that one.

Spurs really are an example of great management at the moment.
 
TheReligion said:
He's down with all the Pogba/Lingard handshakes isn't he?

Can see him becoming a right Bertie Big Bollocks
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If he continue showing that sort of talent he can do whatever he wants. It's when you aren't producing regularly that those handshakes become annoying.
 
LFC-Fans said:
I just think we use the phrase "Real or Barca will come calling in the summer" too much. Coutinho? Real or Barca will come calling. Hazard? Real or Barca will come calling.

No, they won't. Coutinho is inconsistent, Hazard is having his comeback season after being diabolical last year and as for Alli. He's great, doing really well, but being at Spurs is perfect for him at the moment. Lets not forget Spurs aren't some chumps wanting to get in the CL anymore, they're a top side in a top league competing for titles.
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Off topic: he's not inconsistent. He's wc every single game with his nt.
He plays in the midfield with Brazil and he's better there than everybody in Barcelona in that position.
He's not "inconsistent", Liverpool is a very bad team.
You need to be one of the top 5 players in the world like Suarez to be "consistent" in that team.
Go read Mundodeportivo, Sport.es, Marca and As from Spain, that talk about Coutinho is not coming from England; the spaniard media is talking about it every week.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Niether are better than Alli, in my opinion. Also, the former two are wingers.
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Since Alli scores a lot of goals I thought that he could be compared with those two. It's difficult to find the 'correct' positions to compare. But Alli is great.
 
RedMaestro said:
Since Alli scores a lot of goals I thought that he could be compared with those two. It's difficult to find the 'correct' positions to compare. But Alli is great.
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Well that's my point. For someone so young to be scoring the amount of goals he does in the attacking midfield position is unheard of, hence why you can't think of players to compare. Even when comparing him with Sane and Dembele, he still outshines them in terms of goals.
 
You can probably remove the word young for the title. Delle Alli is Englands best midfielder (although competition isn't all that high.)
Kid looks the real deal
 
QUOTE="Walters_19_MuFc, post: 20696268, member: 80706"]Well that's my point. For someone so young to be scoring the amount of goals he does in the attacking midfield position is unheard of, hence why you can't think of players to compare. Even when comparing him with Sane and Dembele, he still outshines them in terms of goals.[/QUOTE]
You're right, I just don't like rankings because it's impossible to say who's the best and it's more about personal preferences. It's not like they play for the same team or in the same league to make the choice easier. Just like Messi and Ronaldo - both are superb - but I don't care and don't want to decide ho's number 1 or 2. :)
 
Question again is whether he is a midfielder? Pretty much second forward for me. Eriksen Dembele Wanyama are the one I see as more midfielders.

I think this is where English football got it wrong. Gerrard Lampard ability should be better utilized further up field as their coaches in their respective clubs did. England NT decided to have them as box to box and holding midfielders. Alli's best asset is also best utilized as forward. England NT crowded this area with Lallana, a makeshift midfielder, 2 forwards...
 
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