Dele Alli is England's best young midfielder playing in Turkey

All was 19 for most of last season - the plain fact is that at 19 Pogba did not perform as much as Alli.

The "talk of world football" at age 20 ... lol. Nah, world football was, as usual, mainly talking about the likes of Ronaldo and Messi ... i.e. the true elite.
Buddy you had no clue how Pogba played to give this opinion. You told us in the summer he was a lazy forward player who didnt track back and mostly played safe, sideways passing in the final third to argue away Pogba's high attacking stats last year.
You must have been reading the top of page 1 on Goal.com and logging off if you thought people were only talking about Ronaldo and Messi. The fecking Barca president won the election based on a promise to sign Pogba.
 
Please enlighten me fro your experience watching him when he was 19. How is this?

Was Pogba at 19 voted by his fellow professionals the best young player in probably the world's most competitive league? Did he score 11 goals and make 10 assists? The answer to both question is no.
 
Was Pogba at 19 voted by his fellow professionals the best young player in probably the world's most competitive league? Did he score 11 goals and make 10 assists? The answer to both question is no.

He didn't play in that league at 19 so all this proves is that Alli played well in the PL and earned the recognition of his peers, which is a credit to him. Pogba earned similar plaudits for doing the same at age 19 playing for Juventus in Serie A.
 
Why is there a discussion regarding Pogba and Alli in a thread about Alli being Englands best youg midfielder?

Alli is Englands best young midfielder. No argument.

Pogba is the worlds best (young) midfielder.
 
Was Pogba at 19 voted by his fellow professionals the best young player in probably the world's most competitive league? Did he score 11 goals and make 10 assists? The answer to both question is no.
Pogba won the golden boy didn't he?
 
Why is there a discussion regarding Pogba and Alli in a thread about Alli being Englands best youg midfielder?

Alli is Englands best young midfielder. No argument.

Pogba is the worlds best (young) midfielder.
Because Glaston.
 
It means intelligent use of the ball, anticipation, vision, awareness - like Alli's assist for one of Kane's goals today.
Ali often plays the sideways pass when he drops deeper, to someone like Erikson so he can run into the box. He anticipates well in the box to crosses and deflections and his focus in part of that. He definitely has better concentration than Pogba.
Vision is to do with information processing/aptitude and awareness (your second separate point). He has a good link with Kane but he doesn't recognise any back to front team patterns of play from what I've seen (in the same way Pogba does). Good vision for the final pass but nothing really in the build up play. Overall it's hard to distinguish the two in all aspects of football intelligence as neither are that good IMO. Anticipation for the ball in the attacking third is better than Pogbas probably, though in the middle of the park Pogba is better at anticipating for the ball from a team mate and also intercepting from the opposition. I think Pogba is better overall though there's not really much in it as they both have obvious weaknesses in this area.

As for the Ali's a better dribbler statement :lol: not in a million years. Driving from deep and one on one in tight areas Pogba is far superior to Ali.
 
Was Pogba at 19 voted by his fellow professionals the best young player in probably the world's most competitive league? Did he score 11 goals and make 10 assists? The answer to both question is no.
Due to SAFs insistance and his well publicised contract troubles he wasn't playing in the PL. That does not in any way affect his potential as a football player.
edit: lets not bring up player awards again shall we...
 
I've already mentioned, it's doubtful that Pogba is a better dribbler than Alli or a more intelligent footballer than Alli.


As a centre mid, in comparison to Pogba he's behind in almost every other area. Key passes and chances created, assists, tackles won, aerial duals won, interceptions, total passes (double), successful take ons... the list goes on.

Indeed.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...uels_won_%/interceptions/blocks/clearances#90
 
Pogba won the golden boy didn't he?

Not when he was 19. And besides, there a difference between votes from sports journalists (Golden Boy) and the votes from fellow professionals (PFA).
 
Not when he was 19. And besides, there a difference between votes from sports journalists (Golden Boy) and the votes from fellow professionals (PFA).

You should be 10 points clear now. Read your posts in the summer and stuck £100 on Spurs to win the league. 7 points behind is a bit disappointing considering how everything is going. You've fecked me, Glaston
 
Not when he was 19. And besides, there a difference between votes from sports journalists (Golden Boy) and the votes from fellow professionals (PFA).
Oh yeah, votes by swathes of English club captains... Awards including the Golden Boy are political.
 
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Not when he was 19. And besides, there a difference between votes from sports journalists (Golden Boy) and the votes from fellow professionals (PFA).
He just turned 20! Not his fault his birthday falls on March.
Just pointing out that Pogba was indeed the talk of football when international journos were purring over him.
We'll leave it at that. These posts are getting repetitive
 

Lol ... the stats you cite are based only on this season so far (and even then Alli is better in at least two areas).

Try running the same stats for last season: even allowing for the fact that Pogba was playing in a weaker league and played 22% more minutes Alli, the latter's stats are better for:

* Goals scored
* Defence score.
* Key passes
* Chances created
* Tackles won
* Interceptions
* Clearances
* Possession score
* Blocks

So much for the claim that Pogba is better than Alli in all areas bar goal-scoring ....
 
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Lol ... the stats you cite are based only on this season so far (and even then Alli is better in least two areas).

Try running the same stats for last season: even allowing for the fact that Pogba was playing in a weaker league and played 22% more minutes Alli, the latter's stats are better for:

* Goals scored
* Defence score.
* Key passes
* Chances created
* Tackles won
* Interceptions
* Clearances
* Possession score
* Blocks

So much for the claim that Pogba is better than Alli in all areas bar goal-scoring ....
The PL is played at a much higher tempo than Serie A so the stats are clearly going to be differrent.... Stop trying to twist info to suit your point.
 
Football is played in front of fans. I've played it and you know when you had a good game. It's not rocket science were two plus two equals four.

It's not like that. There's that moment that separates the men from the boys.

Pogba has it. Ali meh...close
 
Lol ... the stats you cite are based only on this season so far (and even then Alli is better in least two areas).

Try running the same stats for last season: even allowing for the fact that Pogba was playing in a weaker league and played 22% more minutes Alli, the latter's stats are better for:

* Goals scored
* Defence score.
* Key passes
* Chances created
* Tackles won
* Interceptions
* Clearances
* Possession score
* Blocks

So much for the claim that Pogba is better than Alli in all areas bar goal-scoring ....

Even though I still don't understand the point of a comparison between two players who play different positions it makes far more sense to compare Alli last year to Pogba at the same age which was his first season at Juve.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...ccessful_take_ons/interceptions/clearances#90

I will be honest in that I think it's very hard to use any statistical measures in football without an understanding of team style of play, league, attacking and defensive concepts, etc. Suffice it to say Alli is great at at a very young age and so was Pogba. For United, I prefer having Pogba. If you prefer Alli that's fine.
 
The PL is played at a much higher tempo than Serie A so the stats are clearly going to be differrent.... Stop trying to twist info to suit your point.

Excuse me? What happened to the claim that the stats prove Pogba is better than Alli in everything bar goal-scoring? Has it now vanished with the lame excuse that the Prem is played at a higher tempo?
 
Ali is basically a much more clinical and tougher version of Lingard.

He's better off the ball than he is on it. Not that's he's bad in possession.

Huge young talent.
 
It's amazing that Van Gaal didn't see his talent and make a bid when we played MK Dons when he was still there at the start of Van Gaals reign. Dele Alli had Fergie signing written all over him if Fergie hung around a while longer

Instead of looking for Alli, cocaine nose sold half that, the ones that were not warranted were the sale of hernandez and Rafael
 
Excuse me? What happened to the claim that the stats prove Pogba is better than Alli in everything bar goal-scoring? Has it now vanished with the lame excuse that the Prem is played at a higher tempo?

You get away with murder here. You really do.
No other fan gets to talk shit the way you do. And honestly there's better other fans.
 
You should be 10 points clear now. Read your posts in the summer and stuck £100 on Spurs to win the league. 7 points behind is a bit disappointing considering how everything is going. You've fecked me, Glaston

If you actually had read my posts in the summer, instead of relying on your fevered imagination concerning these, you'd have seen that I picked Spurs to finish in 3rd place - i.e. one place below where we currently sit.
 
Excuse me? What happened to the claim that the stats prove Pogba is better than Alli in everything bar goal-scoring? Has it now vanished with the lame excuse that the Prem is played at a higher tempo?
When have I ever used stats to rate a player as better than another? It's a terrible way of judging a player, especially when you're comparing two completely differrent leagues, Serie A being known for its bus parking and slow pace. Even judging to players in the same league in the same position (which Pogba and Ali are not) is pointless because every team has its own system. The proffessional footballing world outside of North London knows that Pogba is a better midfielder than Ali, it's blindingly obvious to those that watch them both and understand football. It's quite clear that you have your set way of thinking so there's no point in arguing anymore.
 
Both sets of fans are being silly here though the spurs ones are being silly and smug and obtuse.

Alli is obviously a very talented player. He looks like he is great technique, positioning and reads the game beyond his years. Martial is quite clearly a talent as well being one of the key players for United last season.

Both are players I would love see become ballon d'or contenders and world class, but arguing who is better is an exercise in futility. They are both at very similar levels, regardless of price tag.

But to compare with Pogba is basically comparing apples to oranges. Just because this is Pogba' first season in PL doesn't omit the fact he was doing fantastic at Serie A. 1.5 Seasons from Alli is not enough to compare to that.
 
When have I ever used stats to rate a player as better than another? It's a terrible way of judging a player, especially when you're comparing two completely differrent leagues, Serie A being known for its bus parking and slow pace. Even judging to players in the same league in the same position (which Pogba and Ali are not) is pointless because every team has its own system. The proffessional footballing world outside of North London knows that Pogba is a better midfielder than Ali, it's blindingly obvious to those that watch them both and understand football. It's quite clear that you have your set way of thinking so there's no point in arguing anymore.

Not you, but other United supporters in this thread have cited stats to try and show that Alli is inferior to Pogba in all aspects of the game bar goal-scoring. But the simple fact is that the stats don't support that claim.
 
Maybe. But there's no need to be like him.
@Grinner etc are other teams fans. @Kentonio is another one.
Glaston tries to rub everyone the wrong way.

He supports his team and believes that his team/players are the best. Nothing wrong with that.
There are many on here who sing the praises of MUFC players who have done very little. Luke Shaw is a great example, where some fans on here thought that he was the best LB in the World. He is now in his 3rd season with us and hasn't actually done much. Some believe that Martial will win the Ball on Dor. I have no idea how they have arrived at this bizarre conclusion.

So, although to the neutral, the (strange) assessments of the players they support may seem ludicrous, it's all part and parcel of supporting your team. And lets not forget that as long as you don't take this too seriously, it can create some great banter between rival fans. ;)
 
Gaston is doing the equivalent of a United fan going to a spurs board and saying that Mata is better than Dembele.

And everyone is still giving him time and actually entertaining him.
 
I came into this going to say he is. But then Glaston has to be a cnut as usual and now I hate Tottenham.
I'm starting to like arsenal more just because of you.
In fairness some of the opposing opinions are equally as cringeworthy.
 
You get away with murder here. You really do.
No other fan gets to talk shit the way you do. And honestly there's better other fans.
That's a bit of a stretch claiming he gets away with murder when you just blatantly broke forum rules openly calling him a "cnut".

I don't care for him myself and in fact the Spurs forum I like best (Spurscommunity) can't stand how he acts here either, but he gets an absolute dogs abuse here being blatantly called names etc. It's gross. People need to seriously grow up. Do you think you can have an objective productive discussion with him? No? Then why bother? What are you getting out of having this discussion with him and calling him names?
 
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Alli is an amazing footballer and it's a pleasure watching him. Pogba is also an amazing footballer who makes everything look effortless. The Premier League is lucky to have both of them playing in it.

Why can't that be the end of the discussion?
 
Alli is an amazing footballer and it's a pleasure watching him. Pogba is also an amazing footballer who makes everything look effortless. The Premier League is lucky to have both of them playing in it.

Why can't that be the end of the discussion?
It can if more people echo it.
 
Gaston is doing the equivalent of a United fan going to a spurs board and saying that Mata is better than Dembele.

And everyone is still giving him time and actually entertaining him.
What! Mata IS better than Dembele.
 
Lol ... Martial is a "bigger talent" than Alli, Mkhitariyan is "well ahead of him in ability", "no way would he displace Pogba at the tip of a three" and Mata is a "better player than him by a distance".

Of course, I might have guessed, every vaguely position-matchable player at United is better than Alli. How strange then, that Alli has scored as many league goals this season as Pogba, Mata and Mkhitariyan all combined .

PS. Alli is not a "pure #10."
So basically when we compare all the stats, we should look at more seasons but when we compare only goals, this season is all we need to look at. It is amazing how you get away with being an absolute WUM on thia forum.
 
This i agree with but I think Alli could play the 8 role better than Herrera although not sure if he is 60-70 million pounds better.
I don't believe Alli will do a better job than Herrera currently in that role. Nothing to support it. In fact his games where he is not deployed the furthest forward in midfield, he has been underwhelming.