Why do many Everton fans hate Moyes ?
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They're going over the top. While I agree that if they had a different manager they might have played better football, it is not a foregone conclusion that they would've been in better league positions. Some of their fans seem to think that they should've been a top 4 team and the only thing holding them back was Moyes.
The match is 10 days away. Lot of time for anyone tired to get ready. Everton on the other hand play this weekend and then midweek before facing us. If Rooney needs surgery/attention to his toe injury, he can be rested for this one. The team against Newcastle worked very well and that should be retained. If Rooney 'naturally' recovers from toe injury, he should start ahead of Chicharito, otherwise same team as Newcastle. (Maybe Nani/Januzaj instead of Young). I think we can win this and we will win.
Assuming Arsenal win FA cup, the losing finalist(Hull or Sheffield) will get one Europa spot but will start from lowest qualification for England, that is 3rd qualifying round. So, assuming Arsenal win FA cup, 6th place finish will mean we will start from playoff round that is on 21st August thus giving players enough time to rest after world cup and also get those money making friendlies vs. Madrid etc done without any clash with Europa qualification. If we somehow pull above Everton in 5th, we will qualify for group stage directly. So, this is kind of very important game and given the tough fixtures remaining for Everton, I think we can still surpass them. Winning this game will be key for it though.
I predict 2-1 win for United.
Assuming Arsenal win FA cup, the losing finalist(Hull or Sheffield) will get one Europa spot but will start from lowest qualification for England, that is 3rd qualifying round. So, assuming Arsenal win FA cup, 6th place finish will mean we will start from playoff round that is on 21st August thus giving players enough time to rest after world cup and also get those money making friendlies vs. Madrid etc done without any clash with Europa qualification. If we somehow pull above Everton in 5th, we will qualify for group stage directly. So, this is kind of very important game and given the tough fixtures remaining for Everton, I think we can still surpass them. Winning this game will be key for it though.
I predict 2-1 win for United.
I hadn't thought about Europa qualifying passages. What if Sheffield/Hull/Wigan win the FA cup and we come 6th, does that make the dates less manageable?
Yup. In that case we will start from 3rd qualifying round which begins on 31st July. Match against Madrid is on 2nd August
Not only missing out on these exhibition friendlies which bring good money, it will also give players lesser time to recover after World cup. So, I will be definitely rooting for Arsenal to win FA cup.
Hope we can win this. Just to put a damper on a few of those Everton supporters who have gotten way too big for their boots.
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Jones Buttner
Fellaini Cleverley
Nani Mata Kagawa
Welbeck
Is the team I'd like to see. I want to see if Buttner has a future at the club so he might as well be given some games. He didn't really deserved to be dropped after the 1st leg against Bayern either. Cleverley probably could do with a game. We have nothing to play for really so trying to get him into some form would be nice. Nani - hopefully he can show some quality. Want to see Welbeck start up front too. Or Hernandez.
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Jones Buttner
Fellaini Cleverley
Nani Mata Kagawa
Welbeck
Is the team I'd like to see. I want to see if Buttner has a future at the club so he might as well be given some games. He didn't really deserved to be dropped after the 1st leg against Bayern either. Cleverley probably could do with a game. We have nothing to play for really so trying to get him into some form would be nice. Nani - hopefully he can show some quality. Want to see Welbeck start up front too. Or Hernandez.
I reckon we'll win. Performances over past 3 games have been good. The break will do us well and a win here could very well kick start our almost-impossible top 4 challenge.
Hopefully Shinji starts, but I also feel if Valencia can play like he did against Munich yesterday then Baines is in some trouble.
Maybe Januzaj will be off for Kagawa maybe.
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Jones Evra
Carrick Fellaini
Valencia Mata Januzaj
Rooney
Rafael Smalling Jones Evra
Carrick Fellaini
Valencia Mata Januzaj
Rooney
Hopefully Shinji starts, but I also feel if Valencia can play like he did against Munich yesterday then Baines is in some trouble.
Maybe Januzaj will be off for Kagawa maybe.
End of season party time!
Woo!
Sorry Dave, you're not invited.
Woo!
Sorry Dave, you're not invited.
Bingo. This is clearly the best side we can play atm, so I hope for it. If we involve Welbeck or Valencia, we will not see the fantastic play we saw against Newcastle.
Because they are ungrateful bastards.
This will be closer than some might think. I think with Mata and Kagawa we are building something. I cant see us going down like Arsenal.
However the spotlight will be all on Moyes and he will either cave in (most likely) or doggedly thrive in it.
We've not visited a better Everton side since the 80s. Can't see us winning there.
If we win do we have a small chance of qualifying ?
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Jones Buttner
Carrick Cleverley
Nani Mata Kagawa
Welbeck
We play this and we win, simple.Rafael Smalling Jones Buttner
Carrick Cleverley
Nani Mata Kagawa
Welbeck
Bunch of ungrateful cnuts I presume, they were utter no marks heading out the league before he got there.
Moyes got them up the table. I doubt very much that Martinez would have the Everton team where they are now if it wasn't for the building blocks Moyes placed down. Some fans are just ungrateful sometimes. As soon as another manager comes in and does slightly better, they forget all about the hard work & progress the previous manager did before.
They liked him for 6-7 years but after that he refused to believe Everton were capable of more, he spent his entire last few years reminding fans of what Everton couldn't do.
His results in big semi finals etc didn't help, even when playing against weaker sides he seemed to bottle it.
They also grew bored of watching him dither around in the transfer market.
"utter no marks"... great way to describe England 5th most successful club.
At the time :-)
Dither with what? They werent exactly ever loaded. He got them into the CL qualifying round once. Martinez will be lucky if he can do that. I cant see Lukaku moving there permanently and that team will need significant investment. Martinez wont take them any further along than Moyes did..they may play more attractive football but they wont do much better
Reckon we'll win every game after this Everton game so I reckon winning this is crucial. Worst scenario would be us finishing a point or two behind fourth place due to our complacency.
Everton have a hard bout of fixtures and Arsenal will no doubt bottle a few games, in my opinion.
I know I'm being stupidly optimistic here but until it's mathematically impossible then we still have something to play for.
Everton have a hard bout of fixtures and Arsenal will no doubt bottle a few games, in my opinion.
I know I'm being stupidly optimistic here but until it's mathematically impossible then we still have something to play for.
Because Everton literally can't expect to do much better than 6/7th on a regular basis. They are completely outspent by United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, City and Spurs. This season(maybe couple of seasons!) are an anomaly, not the norm going forward.
He famously dithered in the transfer market, just as he did at Old Trafford last summer.
Whether or not Martinez will actually take them into the Champions League or if he'll win a trophy in his time is pure guesswork Ramshock, but considering he's already shown at Wigan & Everton this season, the ability to get big results against big teams, I would bet against him.
That really wasn't the point I was making though, someone asked why toffee fans don't like him and I believe the main reason is listening to the last half decade (after he did a cracking job in stabilising the club) of him saying what Everton couldn't do.
Not sure I get the point you are making in response to my post Lu?
They destroyed Arsenal at Goodison recently, so a win would be very, very impressive and much needed for Moyes and the players.
A loss would be a real kick in the teeth. Complete humiliation for Moyes.
A loss would be a real kick in the teeth. Complete humiliation for Moyes.
Just that Moyes was perfectly reasonable to try to manage expectations. Everton had a net transfer spend comparable to Wigan, not Spurs, Newcastle, or even Stoke. Everton fans are being delusional to think they were held back by Moyes. They might have a few good seasons under Martinez, but when the big boys(i.e. us) throw some more money at the problem they won't be able to sustain CL challenges and will probably end up right back around 6/7th.
But Martinez managed something with Wigan that Moyes didn't manage in 11 years with a much bigger club, hell, an old club of Martinez did the same last season under Laudrup.
Everton had a pull greater than at least 13 other sides in the league at any one time, no question about that.
I personally disagree with you regarding the management of expectations, I think a true winner doesn't think that way. Can Everton expect to be in the CL places every season... NO. Can Everton expect to win a trophy once every 10 years and play good football.... YES.
Everton fans aren't delusional, they know they generally belong around 6-7th, but all they wanted from Moyes in his last few years was some belief that they could have one cracking season and win something. The 0-3 home defeat to Wigan in the FA Cup Quarter-final was the last straw for many Everton fans, it was typical of Moyes time whenever faced with a big game.
Give me this (Buttner included). Perhaps Fletcher for Fellaini. All I really want is to see Mata and Kagawa linking up again. Other than that and DDG the rest is up for debate.
Nah there's a very, very outside chance still of top 4. I know it won't happen but we still need to play like it's possible and give ourselves every chance.
Exactly. I would expect us to go for everything while still possible, be it 4th, 5th or 6th. We cant just shut up shop for the rest of the season and start playing half strength teams.
I honestly think there is nothing more to play for this season. A series of friendlies
I sincerely hope the team arent approaching the games on that basis.
I hope too as after they're pros and they owe the fans who pay expensively to follow them, some very good performances.
A loss will add salt on the wounds of what has been a disastrous first season for Moyes. Since we have nothing to play for and Everton are in great form chasing 4th I don't see us winning and to be honest at this point I'd rather see us finish 7th and avoid Europa league football next season anyway.
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Evans Evra/Buttner
Fletcher Cleverley
Nani Mata Kagawa
Welbeck
Rafael Smalling Evans Evra/Buttner
Fletcher Cleverley
Nani Mata Kagawa
Welbeck
If i were Moyes i'd be setting the lads the challenge to win all our remaining games. There's a tiny chance of 4th and to get it that's what we'd need to do. Still fairly unlikely, of course, but we've gotta try.
I think the comments Moyes made during the summer transfer window were seen as disrespectful to Everton Club by their fans and have contributed to the "hate".
Out of remaining 5 games, Arsenal have 3 at home against mid table clubs and 2 away games at Hull and Norwich. Norwich is on last day and they are going to be relegated before that. I see Arsenal getting 11 points minium from those 15, taking them to 75. We can get maximum 72. Then there is Everton. So, 4th is very very unrealistic but finishing season strong, finishing as high as possible in table and beating a good team who have had a great season, at their home should be enough motivation.
They think anyone who leaves there to go to a bigger club is a traitor. Rooney, Lescott, Moyes etc. It'll be the same when Barkley eventually leaves, he'll be truly hated. They are strange deluded bunch.
We'll try to make it as hard for them as possible.
Season officially over with nothing to play for. Over by April 10
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Jones Evra
Fletcher Fellaini
Nani Mata Kagawa
Rooney
Hopefully something like that.
Rafael Smalling Jones Evra
Fletcher Fellaini
Nani Mata Kagawa
Rooney
Hopefully something like that.
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