And why do you think that is then?
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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And why do you think that is then?
Any more nonsense out of Liverpool and they should be up on a charge of bringing the game into disrepute.
Oh, you mean that 'experiment in misinformation'.
If there's any probability of any conspiracy from any side, that's the one that has the most grounding surely? (though madness that way lies).. I still can't believe they allowed the allegation/insinuation in their official statement, and have never been encouraged to remove it.
feck a witch hunt, they've gotten off lightly on a couple of things.
I think it's a conspiracy. On behalf of the RAN Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires...Obviously.
Does Evra have grounds to sue the club?
Defamation of character?
Might be better just to remain silent and let them hang themselves.
The damage to their reputation will hit them harder than any lawsuit I suppose.
Defamation of character?
Might be better just to remain silent and let them hang themselves.
The damage to their reputation will hit them harder than any lawsuit I suppose.
And that's, apparently, the Liverpool way - if you believe something, it becomes 'true'. Magical thinking.
There's that...but he's always been a darling of the media. I reckon had Bentitez or Woy been LFC manager they wouldn't have been as restrained. It's strange to say the least. And I've washed my pants with my mobile phone in the front pocket. It's totally screwed...and I'm not best pleased.
Dunno, Brews is the lawyer on here. Heh, Brewlio, should he or shouldn't he?
You have pockets in your pants?
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Just how do you arrive at that conclusion?
What he did and said is a make-up of his personality in a pressure situation of an important game. A leopard doesn't change its spots! If he said it once, he's probably said before and might well do again.
It's (technically) Suarez' decision to appeal or not, I think.
Could this have any sort of impact?
His lawyer already spoke out after the verdict I believe.
Could this have any sort of impact?
His lawyer already spoke out after the verdict I believe.
This is a very depressing situation. I've read the report. I've always respected LFC at the same time as wanting them to lose every football match they've ever played. If Liverpool played a Fascists City team at tiddlywinks, I'd want them to lose. But I've always accepted that they're a great football club with a history and a tradition to be respected.
The subtext of the report is one of conspiracy to adapt the story to fit the available evidence. The report talks about Suarez changing his story as the evidence emerged. It doesn't paint Evra as some kind of saint, far from it but the reason they chose to believe Evra rather than Suarez is that Evra was at least consistent and didn't choose to change his story from one statement to the next.
I don't really blame Suarez for that. He's a footballer who wants to play and he's trying to minimize any ban. I don't think he's really a racist and neither does Evra. Suarez was trying to wind Evra up and just took it too far.
What is really depressing is that it's clear from the start given the evidence in the report that LFC knew in essence what Suarez had said and decided that rather than express some sort of apology and stop it there, they should go on the offensive even though they clearly knew Suarez had made reference to Evra's skin colour in an offensive way. They knew that.
I'll tell you right now, Shankly and Paisley would have thrown hin to the wolves if they'd known that. I know there are a lot of muppets on Liverpool forums, just like there are on here. But I'm aghast that genuine lifelong LFC fans would support a player who has made these sorts of slurs and then tried to wriggle out of it.
It's not a matter to gloat about, it's not something to score points against Livepool. If it were a United player abusing a black Liverpool player, I'd want him out of our club and I would expect Sir Alex to take the same stance.
I really hope LFC take the opportunity to make that clear over the next few days rather than chose to pursue this in an unsustainable way. I don't want to think of Liverpool as a club that supports racism. I hope they apologise and move on. And that Evra and United accept an apology if it's forthcoming.
The subtext of the report is one of conspiracy to adapt the story to fit the available evidence. The report talks about Suarez changing his story as the evidence emerged. It doesn't paint Evra as some kind of saint, far from it but the reason they chose to believe Evra rather than Suarez is that Evra was at least consistent and didn't choose to change his story from one statement to the next.
I don't really blame Suarez for that. He's a footballer who wants to play and he's trying to minimize any ban. I don't think he's really a racist and neither does Evra. Suarez was trying to wind Evra up and just took it too far.
What is really depressing is that it's clear from the start given the evidence in the report that LFC knew in essence what Suarez had said and decided that rather than express some sort of apology and stop it there, they should go on the offensive even though they clearly knew Suarez had made reference to Evra's skin colour in an offensive way. They knew that.
I'll tell you right now, Shankly and Paisley would have thrown hin to the wolves if they'd known that. I know there are a lot of muppets on Liverpool forums, just like there are on here. But I'm aghast that genuine lifelong LFC fans would support a player who has made these sorts of slurs and then tried to wriggle out of it.
It's not a matter to gloat about, it's not something to score points against Livepool. If it were a United player abusing a black Liverpool player, I'd want him out of our club and I would expect Sir Alex to take the same stance.
I really hope LFC take the opportunity to make that clear over the next few days rather than chose to pursue this in an unsustainable way. I don't want to think of Liverpool as a club that supports racism. I hope they apologise and move on. And that Evra and United accept an apology if it's forthcoming.
This will make the next meeting between United and Liverpool very interesting. Will Suarez be available for this, does anyone know ?
Depending on when he appeals, it could be his game back.
That would be an interesting one. If that were the case, then Fergie should send out every black player we have to unsettle him.
Jesus, it's kind of annoying though. It adds a new dimension to the game which would have been better avoided. It will be billed as a race war, and a chance for both parties to get revenge. Like, considering the hatred at the best of times, this match could easily get ugly, fast.
I'd hope that Liverpool would see sense & drop Suarez for that game. So they'll probably make him captain for it...
Taken from TLW (which borders as being as ridiculous as RAWK)
Jesus Christ. First post is bad enough, but the guy quoting and agreeing, suggesting Liverpool should read a thread on TLW and one on RAWK for their defence of "Luis". fecking hell, these Liverpool fans are a ludicrous bunch, they think they're geniuses, and legal geniuses at that. Don't worry Luis, some berks on The Liverpool Way will be your defence team against the nasty FA.
He said it, he admitted saying it, one of his teammates and your director of footballer have said he said it, fecking accept he said it, and deserved his punishment. Twats.
Jesus Christ. First post is bad enough, but the guy quoting and agreeing, suggesting Liverpool should read a thread on TLW and one on RAWK for their defence of "Luis". fecking hell, these Liverpool fans are a ludicrous bunch, they think they're geniuses, and legal geniuses at that. Don't worry Luis, some berks on The Liverpool Way will be your defence team against the nasty FA.
He said it, he admitted saying it, one of his teammates and your director of footballer have said he said it, fecking accept he said it, and deserved his punishment. Twats.
Suarez admitted of using the word 'negro' in a heated and unfriendly confrontation. I doubt he doenst know it is a racist word, as his gransfather would have tought his parents and himself. And for god's sake, he has been in England for a year, few years in Europe and dont tell me he never watches any non-South American tv programs. Liverpool's supporting reasonings are also very unreliable since we all know they are defending their own at any cost.
Class club indeed.
Class club indeed.
I'm not a lawyer but I'm not sure that a club or company can defame anyone. The individuals making (or approving) the statement can though.
That said I doubt Evra would want to carry this on any further than necessary.
I don't know, I'd be very offended about the defamation of my character by those that released Liverpool's statement. They should be punished, how else will they learn?
you realise the offence you have caused Slimey Pete?
Today's The Times suggests that both LFC and Suarez should give Evra a public apology to close the matter.
Bet that would stick in Dalglish's throat!
Bet that would stick in Dalglish's throat!
BBC Sport - Football Association report says Luis Suarez evidence 'unreliable'
"He [Suarez] said that he used it in the same way that he did when he spoke to Glen Johnson, the Liverpool player."
So, Suarez uses the phrase often and has also used it against Johnson? A repeat offender.
"He [Suarez] said that he used it in the same way that he did when he spoke to Glen Johnson, the Liverpool player."
So, Suarez uses the phrase often and has also used it against Johnson? A repeat offender.
Anyone with an online subscription who can post the article? About time the press start exerting some pressure on LFC.
I'm not saying that Evra shouldn't be offended just that I'm under the impression that a corporation/club/company can't legally defame someone.
I meant that in regards to your comment about Evra possibly wanting to just move forward. But you may be right, I'm sure it's been trying, and any legal action taken by him would be 10 times as laborious, I'm guessing.
But it's a big issue, I can't imagine a team in the States releasing statements like that without some form of punishment, from the league or from a lawsuit. But then we love to sue here.
I just love how they are doing their "backing their own to the hilt thing" when in this case their own is a player who isn't quite as great as they think he is and who'll only be there a limited time until he gets a better offer from elsewhere.
What then? They are left with their once great club looking like a small bitter joke factory, they have pissed on their own once proud history and will forever more be linked with racism.
But knowing how brainless the majority (and it IS the majority) of their fans are, they'll buy his excuse that he's leaving because of all this and consider him a club legend.
What then? They are left with their once great club looking like a small bitter joke factory, they have pissed on their own once proud history and will forever more be linked with racism.
But knowing how brainless the majority (and it IS the majority) of their fans are, they'll buy his excuse that he's leaving because of all this and consider him a club legend.
I don't think a public apology would cut it at this point. It'd seem plastic and pointless.
Probably the only way they could fix the club's reputation is by taking internal action against Suarez and sacking Dalglish, and that's obviously not going to happen. THis is all stuck on them for good now.
Sack Dalglish, Sell Suarez. It would put them on the right path.
As a Tamesider I resent that suggestion.
Pretty much my feelings on it too, I'm baffled/amazed by the clubs stance on it.
It would be too little too late but I think it's the only decent thing they can do. If they carry on saying Evra's testimony isn't reliable and bleating about taking it to the civil courts, they'll just end up looking even more stupid.
Kick racism out of football.... for 8 matches on full pay
James Lawton: Suarez row has made clear to all where line of decency is drawn - News & Comment - Football - The Independent
Great piece from James Lawton in The Independent
Great piece from James Lawton in The Independent
Disgraceful. Now the full details have come to light, 8 matches doesn't seem enough. He should have at least been banned for the rest of the season.
Actually, if I (or anybody else) were to racially abuse somebody in the workplace, you'd be sacked.
I really don't think there would be any punishment. It would be handled on the field. We don't have anything close to the FA over here.
It would be a totally different situation here. It is not illegal to use racist language, so it would have been a he said/he said situation. No investigation, no actually learning about the facts. Would have all been handled by the press.
Clubs would release statements backing their player. There would be no punishment.
And you can sue corporations here because they are considered to be people.
Round 2.
What's he saying?
If only it was in the title of the video we could know... damn you Olly!
I can imagine the letter:-
Dear Poster X
We have hired the best lawyers in England and they have been unable to build a case in defence of Mr Suarez. We understand, from reading RAWK, that you have found "The report is full of inconsistencies and ridiculous contradictions easily highlighted". As a result we would like you to advise our legal team in our appeal.
Yours faithfully
Liverpool FC.