Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Greg said:
Hopefully we can all move on, and the rivalary will be football based again next season, but sadly, i think it'll take a while for that to happen.
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Well that would be nice, but unfortunately Liverpool fc and their fans don't seem to want that. I mean look at this nonsense:

I don't think anyone doubts that Suarez said something (originally, in Oct) but what upset the player, the manager and the fans was that he was found guilty based on probability, rather than factual evidence. Evra's original claim that tv camera's would back up the allegation that Suarez said a word 'at least 10 times' wasn't substantiated. No one appeared to offer a reliable witness statement either. That's why Liverpool fans, manager etc were unhappy about the ban.
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Utter tripe. I mean not only does it overlook the fact that Suarez admitted what he said, it also overlooks the likes of Comoli and Kuyt found to change their testimony (and still fecked it up) and it also doesn't account for the fact that if Suarez was actually only guilty of mere ignorance of our culture, why did he not apologise the second it was pointed out?

By still putting any blame on Evra, this will not go away. Because quite frankly it's ludicrous to try to switch focus on the real victim here. But hey, can't let anyone join in the club can we?
 
Simon Adebesi said:
Anyone who doesnt see what is wrong there doesnt get racism at all.
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This poster on SAF's hypocrisy has gone viral on FB and Twitter. People who I thought were rational human beings have condoned it. I feel I want to retaliate but cant think of anything to post myself.:confused:
 
Rednails said:
This poster on SAF's hypocrisy has gone viral on FB and Twitter. People who I thought were rational human beings have condoned it. I feel I want to retaliate but cant think of anything to post myself.:confused:
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What is sad is that too many rational thinking people have seen the fancy headline and gone along with it. After all, a poster wouldn't lie, and who needs any more excuses to hate Fergie and United even more. I decided to let this one go until my blue mate posted it directly to me, at which point I had to respond. The whole thing's utter bollocks. The worst thing on the list that Fergie did was not to fine/suspend/punish Giggs for his affair. Anyway:

1. The club banned Cantona straight away and fined him.
2. Keane didn't end Haaland's career, an injury to his other knee did. Apparently he played the week after.
3. Rio took the drug test shortly after the testers left, he tested negative for everything
4.Wayne Rooney was neither married nor a United player at the time of said extra-marital affairs.
5. I don't recall Fergie ever once condoning it. Why should he condone or condemn it? Nothing to do with him, and it didn't affect his on-field performance.
 
Just point out that none of those things made us the laughing stock of football, nor it it make our sponsors take control and force our manager to apologise.

It might also help to point out Liverpool have over 100 years of history and respect and it's been all put on the line and degraded by a player who's been there just over 1 year. Who also isn't anywhere near as good as they make out.
 
Liam147 said:
2. Keane didn't end Haaland's career, an injury to his other knee did. Apparently he played the week after.
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To be fair, it was bad challenge whether he played again or not. I love Keane, but it wasn't accidental and we shouldn't be attempting to justify it.
 
Livvie said:
To be fair, it was bad challenge whether he played again or not. I love Keane, but it wasn't accidental and we shouldn't be attempting to justify it.
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Yeah, it was wrong, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't call people up on saying it ended his career. Cantona kicking that fan was wrong as well, but if people started saying that he kicked that fan to the death we'd have something so say about it, and rightly so.
 
Liam147 said:
What is sad is that too many rational thinking people have seen the fancy headline and gone along with it. After all, a poster wouldn't lie, and who needs any more excuses to hate Fergie and United even more. I decided to let this one go until my blue mate posted it directly to me, at which point I had to respond. The whole thing's utter bollocks. The worst thing on the list that Fergie did was not to fine/suspend/punish Giggs for his affair. Anyway:

1. The club banned Cantona straight away and fined him.
2. Keane didn't end Haaland's career, an injury to his other knee did. Apparently he played the week after.
3. Rio took the drug test shortly after the testers left, he tested negative for everything
4.Wayne Rooney was neither married nor a United player at the time of said extra-marital affairs.
5. I don't recall Fergie ever once condoning it. Why should he condone or condemn it? Nothing to do with him, and it didn't affect his on-field performance.
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Thanks for that. I am glad I did not respond to any of it straight away!
 
Livvie said:
To be fair, it was bad challenge whether he played again or not. I love Keane, but it wasn't accidental and we shouldn't be attempting to justify it.
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Terrible challenge, he admitted it himself, the ball was there, (he thought), no intention to tackle him, just hurt him. But it's not like it was a random attack on a player, there was previous. Not like Gerrard's been squeaky clean either, with his elbow to Michael Brown, and decking that DJ.

God knows why on earth Liverpool fans thought that poster was a valid comeback to anything that's happened in the last five month. In fact, (the) one thing they should've put on was him saying Suarez shouldn't play for them again. While I thought it was a brilliant comment, it was out of order.
 
Liam147 said:
Terrible challenge, he admitted it himself, the ball was there, (he thought), no intention to tackle him, just hurt him. But it's not like it was a random attack on a player, there was previous. Not like Gerrard's been squeaky clean either, with his elbow to Michael Brown, and decking that DJ.

God knows why on earth Liverpool fans thought that poster was a valid comeback to anything that's happened in the last five month. In fact, (the) one thing they should've put on was him saying Suarez shouldn't play for them again. While I thought it was a brilliant comment, it was out of order.
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They come across as a bit desperate, which is why we shouldn't be seen to be absolving our players of all their sins.

I take the point that they're wrong about Keane ending Haaland's career, but we shouldn't respond by acting as though Keane was totally innocent. Point out the facts, but at the same time, admit that the tackle was wrong.

And Fergie shouldn't really have said that Suarez shouldn't play for Liverpool again, because it did take a small amount of the attention off them and their bad handling of the situation.
 
Liverpool fc have no excuses for their shocking behavior.

The truth is that daglish reacted to this like a petulant and egotistical child rather than a mature level headed and responsible adult. He and the club showed no sensitivity to a very sensitive matter.

Also for all the apparent claims for a lack of justice (which hold no water), they didn't even have the conviction to appeal. Basically a whole lot of posturing, little substance and zero class.
 
Livvie said:
To be fair, it was bad challenge whether he played again or not. I love Keane, but it wasn't accidental and we shouldn't be attempting to justify it.
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Yeah, that was shameful by Keane. The rest of the list are either not football matters or not unforgivable (and dealt with).

And I applaud SAF's comments. He had just had it with the whole thing. That he was the one to finally remind Liverpool of the values they are supposed to endorse must actually be embarrassing for Liverpool fans, even if they prefer to go on about how "SAF shouldn't be talking about other clubs" rather than just admit it. Furthermore, the fact that Liverpool finally released those three statements shortly after the comments just go to show that they recognized that he hit the nail on the head.
 
Curious that, for all the conspiracy talk of Sir Alex being the evil mastermind behind the plot to destroy Liverpool & get rid of Luis Suarez, Kenny Dalglish hasn't spoken out about SAF & even shook his hand after the match.
 
Liam147 said:
What is sad is that too many rational thinking people have seen the fancy headline and gone along with it. After all, a poster wouldn't lie, and who needs any more excuses to hate Fergie and United even more. I decided to let this one go until my blue mate posted it directly to me, at which point I had to respond. The whole thing's utter bollocks. The worst thing on the list that Fergie did was not to fine/suspend/punish Giggs for his affair. Anyway:

1. The club banned Cantona straight away and fined him.
2. Keane didn't end Haaland's career, an injury to his other knee did. Apparently he played the week after.
3. Rio took the drug test shortly after the testers left, he tested negative for everything
4.Wayne Rooney was neither married nor a United player at the time of said extra-marital affairs.
5. I don't recall Fergie ever once condoning it. Why should he condone or condemn it? Nothing to do with him, and it didn't affect his on-field performance.
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Yup, I can't believe how genuinely thick some human beings can be when it comes too football.

It would be hypocrisy if United, taking a page out of the LFC book of victimhood, had said,

1. Cantona had his eyes on the ball, the fan just happened to be in the way.
2. Haaland was the one with dangerous tackle, Keane was just protecting himself. Followed by tons of grainy still images trying to prove this point.

etc
 
The thing is with that ridiculous Facebook poster is that first of all that Rio incident wasn't even our fault and he didn't take any drugs, it was a ridiculous set of events but we took our punishment and got on with it. Rooney's and Giggs' indiscretions off the pitch have nothing to do with us unless it impacts on the club, they are still with their wives so why should we not trust them? Keane on Haaland was bad but the club didn't try to defend him for his actions. As for Cantona, wasn't he getting racially abused? He shouldn't have done it but displaying human emotions isn't a crime again we didn't insist that the Palace fan had done it before blah blah. The funniest thing in that poster is how they're trying to take the moral high ground now by calling SAF a hypocrite (well isn't everyone?).
 
Redlambs said:
Well that would be nice, but unfortunately Liverpool fc and their fans don't seem to want that. I mean look at this nonsense:



Utter tripe. I mean not only does it overlook the fact that Suarez admitted what he said, it also overlooks the likes of Comoli and Kuyt found to change their testimony (and still fecked it up) and it also doesn't account for the fact that if Suarez was actually only guilty of mere ignorance of our culture, why did he not apologise the second it was pointed out?

By still putting any blame on Evra, this will not go away. Because quite frankly it's ludicrous to try to switch focus on the real victim here. But hey, can't let anyone join in the club can we?
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Aah, the real victim. Now there's a can of worms. Please don't paint Evra as any sort of victim, the guy could start a fight in an empty room. He's fought a Chelsea groundsman and a French fitness coach. He's both played the race card himself and make racist comments about other players. By all accounts he started the argument with Suarez by making an apparently sexist remark about a family member, which Suarez, admittedly, fell right into the trap.

He's a nasty piece of work on the pitch - like a lot of players, yes - but there seems few redeeming features in his personality off it. He's most certainly not a victim.
 
Greg said:
Aah, the real victim. Now there's a can of worms. Please don't paint Evra as any sort of victim, the guy could start a fight in an empty room. He's fought a Chelsea groundsman and a French fitness coach. He's both played the race card himself and make racist comments about other players. By all accounts he started the argument with Suarez by making an apparently sexist remark about a family member, which Suarez, admittedly, fell right into the trap.

He's a nasty piece of work on the pitch - like a lot of players, yes - but there seems few redeeming features in his personality off it. He's most certainly not a victim.
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VP said:
Yup, I can't believe how genuinely thick some human beings can be when it comes too football.

It would be hypocrisy if United, taking a page out of the LFC book of victimhood, had said,

1. Cantona had his eyes on the ball, the fan just happened to be in the way.
2. Haaland was the one with dangerous tackle, Keane was just protecting himself. Followed by tons of grainy still images trying to prove this point.

etc
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Absolutely right. :)
 
Greg said:
Aah, the real victim. Now there's a can of worms. Please don't paint Evra as any sort of victim, the guy could start a fight in an empty room. He's fought a Chelsea groundsman and a French fitness coach. He's both played the race card himself and make racist comments about other players. By all accounts he started the argument with Suarez by making an apparently sexist remark about a family member, which Suarez, admittedly, fell right into the trap.

He's a nasty piece of work on the pitch - like a lot of players, yes - but there seems few redeeming features in his personality off it. He's most certainly not a victim.
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No, he hasn't. Who did he racially abuse, out of interest?
 
Lance Uppercut said:
No, he hasn't. Who did he racially abuse, out of interest?
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Have you ever heard anyone outside the Daily Mail use the term "race card" as much as Liverpool fans. And they wonder why their reputation has suck so low..
 
Greg said:
Aah, the real victim. Now there's a can of worms. Please don't paint Evra as any sort of victim, the guy could start a fight in an empty room. He's fought a Chelsea groundsman and a French fitness coach. He's both played the race card himself and make racist comments about other players. By all accounts he started the argument with Suarez by making an apparently sexist remark about a family member, which Suarez, admittedly, fell right into the trap.

He's a nasty piece of work on the pitch - like a lot of players, yes - but there seems few redeeming features in his personality off it. He's most certainly not a victim.
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Do yourself a favour and read up on the Chelsea incident. Secondly, you like most Liverpool fans haven't even read the verdict. Because had you done so, you'd have learned that Suarez did not react nor heard the "concha tu madre" insult made by Evra. It had zero bearing on the situation and how it unfolded.

feck me you lot never cease to amaze.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
No, he hasn't. Who did he racially abuse, out of interest?
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Sorry, he didn't actually abuse anyone, my mistake, but I believe there was footage of him referring to Jimmy Hasselbaink as a motherfecking nigger. Hasselbaink wasn't present, so obviously wasn't directly said to him.
 
Greg said:
Sorry, he didn't actually abuse anyone, my mistake, but I believe there was footage of him referring to Jimmy Hasselbaink as a motherfecking nigger. Hasselbaink wasn't present, so obviously wasn't directly said to him.
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Greg said:
Aah, the real victim. Now there's a can of worms. Please don't paint Evra as any sort of victim, the guy could start a fight in an empty room. He's fought a Chelsea groundsman and a French fitness coach. He's both played the race card himself and make racist comments about other players. By all accounts he started the argument with Suarez by making an apparently sexist remark about a family member, which Suarez, admittedly, fell right into the trap.

He's a nasty piece of work on the pitch - like a lot of players, yes - but there seems few redeeming features in his personality off it. He's most certainly not a victim.
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:lol:

So pray tell kid, when has Evra played the race card before?
 
Skywarden said:
Do yourself a favour and read up on the Chelsea incident. Secondly, you like most Liverpool fans haven't even read the verdict. Because had you done so, you'd have learned that Suarez did not react nor heard the "concha tu madre" insult made by Evra. It had zero bearing on the situation and how it unfolded.

feck me you lot never cease to amaze.
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Love this.

I haven't read it, no, so i'll take your word for it.

However, I find it brilliant that in your staunch defence of Evra, you condone abusive comments as long as they're not heard by whom they're directed at.

If Evra hadn't heard what Suarez said, but, say, Jonny Evans did, would you let Suarez off the hook?
 
Greg said:
Love this.

I haven't read it, no, so i'll take your word for it.

However, I find it brilliant that in your staunch defence of Evra, you condone abusive comments as long as they're not heard by whom they're directed at.

If Evra hadn't heard what Suarez said, but, say, Jonny Evans did, would you let Suarez off the hook?
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If you haven't read the report, how can you know what comments you think he's condoning?

How old are you, out of interest?
 
Mr Evra told us that he began the conversation by saying "Concha de tu hermana". Mr Evra's evidence was that this is a phrase used in Spanish like when you say "fecking hell" in English, but the literal translation is "your sister's pussy". Mr Suárez did not hear Mr Evra say this.
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Suarez took what bait Greg, the bait he didn't even hear?
 
Greg said:
Love this.

I haven't read it, no, so i'll take your word for it.

However, I find it brilliant that in your staunch defence of Evra, you condone abusive comments as long as they're not heard by whom they're directed at.

If Evra hadn't heard what Suarez said, but, say, Jonny Evans did, would you let Suarez off the hook?
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Equally, I find it brillaint that you, like the majority of the Liverpool fans, continues to make shit up and only read and hear what you want to as long as it fits your agenda. Because I did not condone anything but merely stated facts. That is, Evra made an insult, Suarez did not hear it alas it did have zero impact on the situation that followed.
 
Greg said:
Aah, the real victim. Now there's a can of worms. Please don't paint Evra as any sort of victim, the guy could start a fight in an empty room. He's fought a Chelsea groundsman and a French fitness coach. He's both played the race card himself and make racist comments about other players. By all accounts he started the argument with Suarez by making an apparently sexist remark about a family member, which Suarez, admittedly, fell right into the trap.

He's a nasty piece of work on the pitch - like a lot of players, yes - but there seems few redeeming features in his personality off it. He's most certainly not a victim.
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Oh lord! Another one. He's not Sam Gamgee is he? That's the sort of asinine drivel we came to recognise from him.
 
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