They're trying to smear the victim, plain and simple.
For a fanbase who themselves have been smeared as a collective you think they'd realise how repulsive it is.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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They're trying to smear the victim, plain and simple.
For a fanbase who themselves have been smeared as a collective you think they'd realise how repulsive it is.
Where did this 'he's done it twice before' thing come from anyway?
A "journalist" from the official Liverpool site failed to do any research, let the story get momentum, then claimed it was an experiment in misinformation.
I wish I was kidding.
Well that's me convinced.
They probably don't, but even if they have it shouldn't matter. A friend can call a friend a 'n*gga' but that doesn't mean a stranger can use it, as everyone knows.
what a clown
he should be done for slaunder if he is a journalist
isn't he some idiot blogger?
Kristian Walsh is his name, 'official' columnist for LFC.tv and it seems a contributor to the Telegraph as well.
What made him come out and say it was an experiment then?
I'm guessing it was the fact that he was proven wrong.
looking forward to this all ending. suarez referred to another mans skin colour during a heated exchange. hes been in europe several years. there really is no defence cultural or otherwise. he shouldve manned up and apologised before it all went so far
Well, kind of, mate. That 'experiment' excuse is absolutely laughable.
I was just curious as to why he came out with that, as you say being proved wrong is the most likely reason.
Here is a full description of the Walsh comments:
Posted on Thursday, 20th October 2011 by TheBusbyWay
Surely Patrice Evra is Fighting a Losing Battle
Walsh was successful with his smear.
Virtually every LFC fan on twitter is repeating it to this day, and it all originated with him.
His very own Kelvin McKenzie moment, I bet he's proud.
Virtually every LFC fan on twitter is repeating it to this day, and it all originated with him.
His very own Kelvin McKenzie moment, I bet he's proud.
Its a shame that for some it's become a United v Liverpool. This is not what it's about. It's about the accusation of one player trying to wind an opposition player up by taunting him about his ethnic origin.
I bet nobody had the intelligence to ask him who the 3 players were.
I don't read the Cafs reaction that way Rams. For the most part this thread has become a discussion on what others are saying around the issue and we are playing the waiting game to see what happens based on the evidence available.
Having said that, the FA must now put out its parameters on what is and what is not acceptable to say on the pitch. I know the Terry police investigation complicates the FA's reaction but hopefully they can act on Suarez (if found guilty). What would be unacceptable is a muddled response from the FA only to see them stick it to a United player over this issue at a later date.
I'm pretty sure he was asked numerous times.
Obviously did not/could not answer.
Left comment there to be retweeted by literally thousands.
Smear complete.
Predictions?
I think it'll end up as a one-game ban, with perhaps two suspended, for abusive/inciting language, with the 'racial' element deemed unproven. Not the ideal outcome for anyone concerned but one that Liverpool would readily accept without appeal (as it's only a single game missed for Suarez). Depressing, but a face-saving outcome for LFC and the FA.
I still believe that the referee was told by Evra about the abuse during the match. In fact, recently, Chris Kamara supposedly showed Sky Sports footage featuring Evra complaining to the ref about said name-calling.
I think it'll end up as a one-game ban, with perhaps two suspended, for abusive/inciting language, with the 'racial' element deemed unproven. Not the ideal outcome for anyone concerned but one that Liverpool would readily accept without appeal (as it's only a single game missed for Suarez). Depressing, but a face-saving outcome for LFC and the FA.
I still believe that the referee was told by Evra about the abuse during the match. In fact, recently, Chris Kamara supposedly showed Sky Sports footage featuring Evra complaining to the ref about said name-calling.
if he is found guilty could the police get involved in this?
I'd rather not make any at this point, lets see if he is found guilty and what the evidence says.
If guilty then the FA are going to have to be hard on him.
I was wondering why they aren't already involved, as the Metropolitan police are involved in the Terry incident.
But then I thought, surely it would have to be Merseyside police who investigate it as that's where the incident took place.
Wouldn't there be a conflict there?
Firstly, half of them are probably Liverpool fans, and even if they could remain unbiased, there's no way they'd want to alienate the whole community if they had to charge Suarez with it.
sounds like a job for John Stalker.
Just been listening on the radio to gus poyet trying to defend suarez,he says in south america if you have a big nose they call you bignose,if you are fat they call you fatty,and if you are black they call you negro,I used to like gus poyet, he also said if evra don"t like it he should go home.He"s a racist twat just like his countryman..made himself look like a right cnut.
So not only does he not understand the implications of what he is saying, but he cant count either. According to him "Luis" has been in England for 3 or 4 months
Depends what evidence the FA has, if there is apparently no evidence of Suarez saying what he did then why has the FA charged him.
He's shot himself in the foot because he admitted in that interview about what he called him isn't racial in his country so perhaps he might have got away with it?
I don't understand why you would need to call someone black any way. It would be the same if you swore at someone and called em a white boy, is still wrong.
I can't see him getting away with this one and if he did I'd be surprised. They need to wrap this and the JT thing quick. I'm certain someone will get a heavy ban out of them 2 and perhaps Sepp might shut his fat gob for once in his life.
Who knows. To say 'well, we tried, we took it as far as we could'? We'll see.
I mentioned earlier that Rooney-Ben Haim incident from a few years back. Rooney was banned for three matches for violent conduct, but the FA also charged Ben Haim for, basically, simulation, as he made a meal of it. But eventually he was cleared because it couldn't be proven.
how often has the FA charged someone and then withdrawn the charge after a hearing?
Apparently a supporter, someone in the stands?, made a complaint to the police.
I don't think this cnut realises there's a big difference between calling somebody big nose and calling them the N word.
What an absolute moron Poyet is.
If Suarez is found guilty, he should definitely thank Poyet for making it that much easier on the FA.
There are two type of defense from the Suarez/Terry camp.
Why is a racial insult worse then a personal insult (fatty, red-head, idiot etc)?
You don't have to be a racist just because you in the heat of the moment call a black person words like black before the insult or "negrito".
And to add what Sepp Blatter initially said. Why just don't shake hands after the game and move on. All these three comments make sense. Except from a couple of reasons.
There is a historical background. Slaves from Africa. Discrimination and apartheid. Limited legal human rights. KKK. All this together is common knowledge if you are over 15 years old and have any sorts of historical education. So for all above reasons every person with an intelligence above an ape know that using a racial word, in any sort or shape, is insulting and ileagal.
John Terry and Luis Suarez know this. This isn't rocket science or any hidden agenda against Liverpool or the English captain. It's common sense. That make me come to only two solutions why they said what they said. Either they are retarded on a level that would qualify them to a institution with a legal guardian helping them, or they are first class racists.
To everybody who defend them I say guilty by association. And I'm sad to see that many respectable persons fits to that category.
Why is a racial insult worse then a personal insult (fatty, red-head, idiot etc)?
You don't have to be a racist just because you in the heat of the moment call a black person words like black before the insult or "negrito".
And to add what Sepp Blatter initially said. Why just don't shake hands after the game and move on. All these three comments make sense. Except from a couple of reasons.
There is a historical background. Slaves from Africa. Discrimination and apartheid. Limited legal human rights. KKK. All this together is common knowledge if you are over 15 years old and have any sorts of historical education. So for all above reasons every person with an intelligence above an ape know that using a racial word, in any sort or shape, is insulting and ileagal.
John Terry and Luis Suarez know this. This isn't rocket science or any hidden agenda against Liverpool or the English captain. It's common sense. That make me come to only two solutions why they said what they said. Either they are retarded on a level that would qualify them to a institution with a legal guardian helping them, or they are first class racists.
To everybody who defend them I say guilty by association. And I'm sad to see that many respectable persons fits to that category.
Right, Evra should leave England because a Uruguyan's culture is inherently racist.
Well done Gus, didn't think you could look any more fecking retarded.
"What about jokes about my long chin? I mean, n*gger is black - so we have jokes where we call them n*ggers because they're black. Why should that be any more of an offence than someone calling me chinny?"
Thankfully the days of Jimmy Hill and the like are pretty much extinct.
But he was on TV on a weekly basis about 6 or 7 years ago, so it goes to show how far in general things have come along.
Which is why it is so go damn annoying that Suarez, than Terry and now worse of all Blatter have all happened in recent weeks.
But in a strange way it may even help the racism campaign even further.
But he was on TV on a weekly basis about 6 or 7 years ago, so it goes to show how far in general things have come along.
Which is why it is so go damn annoying that Suarez, than Terry and now worse of all Blatter have all happened in recent weeks.
But in a strange way it may even help the racism campaign even further.
Hmm...I used to like Poyet. Comes across as a massive twat with those comments though.
In the Whelan, Blatter mold.
In the Whelan, Blatter mold.
Not to take any players side, but its a really messy thing to argue. I'm sure most people who were born in a non-english speaking country or english isnt their primary language, would know that whats said in a different language isnt the same meaning as it is in english. The whole N taboo word is from America. The rest of the world have their own way of speaking. Negro and N word are two completely and totally different words. Negro in itself is not racist. Its a description of a race, like caucasian, asian, etc. The problem here is this happened in an english speaking league, where eerything said is looked at on an english speakers view.The english language is descriptive. Other languages are not.
What Suarez said, to me at least since I am from a different language barrier altogether, is not racist. To an english speaker it is. The worst thing about it a primary english speaker, who really doesnt understand the cultural differences, will look at what I said and want me burned at the stake, because thats how an english speaker will see it. Its black or white those individuals, pun not intended.
What I'd like to see is people using the N word or whatever associated to it in a friendly way STOPPED. If its a racist term, then people shouldnt be using it for whatever reason. The word stays in the cycle of communication and isnt forgotten like some really old terms used to decribe people that arent mentioned anymore. If its racist for someone else to say, it should be racist for a friend to say. Especially on the pitch where other people can hear it since thats a place of professional work for these people and anything said on the field, which is where Suarez would of heard the others saying it, should be considered as racist also. Thats my stance anyway. I hate hearing people using the N word as banter but then cry foul when someone who isnt their friend uses it. Its no different to all the gangster wannabe white trash who go around saying My nigga my nigga because they hear it so often it seems natural for them to use it as well to mimick the gangster way of life/speech. You dont like to hear the word, stop using it yourself. But thats not going to happen. So if nigga from friends is fine, then negrito, which means something COMPLETELY different, and used in a friendly way, should also be fine. If one isnt good, then remove both.
What Suarez said, to me at least since I am from a different language barrier altogether, is not racist. To an english speaker it is. The worst thing about it a primary english speaker, who really doesnt understand the cultural differences, will look at what I said and want me burned at the stake, because thats how an english speaker will see it. Its black or white those individuals, pun not intended.
What I'd like to see is people using the N word or whatever associated to it in a friendly way STOPPED. If its a racist term, then people shouldnt be using it for whatever reason. The word stays in the cycle of communication and isnt forgotten like some really old terms used to decribe people that arent mentioned anymore. If its racist for someone else to say, it should be racist for a friend to say. Especially on the pitch where other people can hear it since thats a place of professional work for these people and anything said on the field, which is where Suarez would of heard the others saying it, should be considered as racist also. Thats my stance anyway. I hate hearing people using the N word as banter but then cry foul when someone who isnt their friend uses it. Its no different to all the gangster wannabe white trash who go around saying My nigga my nigga because they hear it so often it seems natural for them to use it as well to mimick the gangster way of life/speech. You dont like to hear the word, stop using it yourself. But thats not going to happen. So if nigga from friends is fine, then negrito, which means something COMPLETELY different, and used in a friendly way, should also be fine. If one isnt good, then remove both.