Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Well, that might be ok if it wasn't for Paddy telling SoFoot Magazine that Suarez called him 'Sale noir' ('dirty black'), not 'negrito'.
 
Probably also pertinent to note that Evra and Suarez aren't army buddies. Poor ol' Gus still does not seem to understand context.
 
After his last interview I'm surprised the upper management at Brighton haven't told him to keep his mouth shut on the issue. Seems like he's more bothered about shouting his mouth off defending a fellow countryman than he is about remaining professional.

Is it really that difficult to understand that what's termed inoffensive in one country may be considered racist in another?
 
The only reason he is getting these interviews is because of his outrageous and poorly informed view on the matter.

The bloke is an idiot, can't stand even hearing his name mentioned.
 
Poyet thinks, as others have suggested, that Suarez might have used the word "negrito", and that it was misinterpreted by Evra. "In Uruguay it is a nickname for someone whose skin is darker than the rest," he explains. "It is not offensive. Such people are part of our society. We will defend them, go to war with them, share everything with them, and at the same time use that word. But I do understand that in England the word is used differently, so we have to pay attention how we use it. We need to adapt. Do we as foreigners need to adapt more to England than England to us? Yes, of course. That's common sense. I know things Luis Suarez does not know because I have been here 14 years. So let's use common sense and give the kid a chance."
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Gus seems to somewhat contradict himself. First of all saying that footballers get given abuse all the time and that Evra shouldn't have reacted and then saying that Suarez used a term which isn't offensive. The point Gus is missing is that why would Suarez have mentioned Evra's skin colour unless he was trying to be offensive?
 
I'm sure Poyet isn't offended by the term.

Wanna bet we can find a Uruguayan who is? Again, it's not offensive when used between close friends, supposedly. Otherwise, it's an insult, if what I read is correct.

How can the FA allows this? It would be a huge can of worms, and would allow anyone to excuse any racist behavior.

"Well, you see, on the Isle of Man, throwing a banana at someone and making monkey noises is a sign of veneration of your ancestors! So f*** off!"
 
Talked to my Argentinian friend about this. He said "negrito" is meant as an insult. For example 'the negritos begging down the corner' or 'he's just a negrito sweeping the streets'. Like the word 'nigger' is being used by a KKK member, with contempt, insult and hate in equal measures.
So apparently the slur has different meanings from area to area. Or they are having each others backs.
 
Why am I seeing tons of liverpool fans finding examples of 'negrito' in Sth America, and then trying to put that forward as evidence that exonerates him, in England no less?
 
I'm expecting a writer in the US to write a novel with a character called "N*gger" then whatever name because it was acceptable in 1890 therefore it should be acceptable now. It was the culture. Cultures are never wrong are they?
 
Feeky_Magee said:
Anyone got a link to this?
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Evra, «El Negrito» - Angleterre - SO FOOT.com

Translated (kind of) - Google Translate

And if Evra was just no one in Spanish?

The French international Luis Suarez was accused of racism during the derby between Manchester United and Liverpool on October 15.Bah, it may in fact this is a misinterpretation of Patrice Evra, who was reportedly insulted a dozen times during the game ...

In any case, argues that the attacker from Liverpool , who says he held no racist statement if the term "Negrito" (note: small black child) used in South America routinely and for affective. It is very far from the "dirty Black" invoked by Evra a month ago already. If Suarez told the truth, it should not be punished because "Negrito" is not considered a racial insult.

And it also proves Evra LV2 dried her during college ...
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Yeah Steve PM'd me so I deleted that, saw that alright, appears to refer to a previous interview which Steve informs me they've taken down, not sure if it was for legal reasons or 'cos they got it wrong.
 
...........Schmeichel............
Hitler...Woodgate.....Terry.....Pearce
.....Poyet.....Bowyer....Speedie
.....Di Canio.....Suarez....Cruyff
 
Why? Yes, I understand about the world cup national team fall out but isn't it a bit petty to side against him just because of that?
 
It's been many years since I learned spanish but as I recall using 'ito' as a suffix in Spanish designates the object as being smaller, cuter or more feminine.

Example - Perro means Dog. Perrito means cute dog / little dog.

So not only is that cnut calling Evra a negro...but he's saying he's a little negro.

Seriously...how the feck is a Liverpool player calling a Manchester United player a little nigga not considered an insult? How can anyone actually defend that on a cultural basis?
 
nooshka said:
I remember a big brother contestant being removed from the house for using a racist term albeit not in an offensive way, so whether Suarez said it in a non offensive way (which for one second i don't believe) it still should not be tollerated by the FA.

Here's the story from the big brother incident.

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Emily thrown out of Big Brother
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Big Brother: Law and Punishment yardstick since 2007.
 
Pexbo said:
Big Brother: Law and Punishment yardstick since 2007.
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:lol::lol:

I wonder what Gus will come out with next, "You see derogatory comments towards black people aren't racist, I saw an episode of Love Thy Neighbour just last week and it appears the english always use such terms"

It seems to me that other countries are pulling the 'political correctness gone mad' card on England regarding the racism issue. The FA's verdict almost has wider cultural implications.

What's stopping the police becoming involved in the Suarez case btw? If he's admitted using that term then isn't it a criminal offence?
 
afrocentricity said:
Why? Yes, I understand about the world cup national team fall out but isn't it a bit petty to side against him just because of that?
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It's mainly because of that but not only IMHO.Evra is known to not be shy and be anti PR basically.There's a frustration that he's never been able to perform consistently well for France.
I expect any journos to hold a neutral position in these sort of matter
 
nooshka said:
I remember a big brother contestant being removed from the house for using a racist term albeit not in an offensive way, so whether Suarez said it in a non offensive way (which for one second i don't believe) it still should not be tollerated by the FA.

Here's the story from the big brother incident.

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Emily thrown out of Big Brother
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I was actually going to mention this a few days ago & I remember seeing it too. (:nervous:).

Those 2 girls were really pally (something you couldn't say about Evra & ratface) then Emily just came out & said it whilst they were all having a laugh together & the look on Charley's face was of incredulity. Now this Charley girl was a real bitch, but she did look really hurt & I felt for her because she felt she had been insulted by someone she considered a friend.

I don't think you can site any justification for what he said, over and over again (10 times wasn't it?) its out of order and should be dealt with severely.
 
So Dalgleish's comments last night after he was incensed about the Fulham fans having the temerity to call him a "cheat" were this:

"His integrity is impeccable. He can look in the mirror and go to bed at night and sleep soundly. If other people can do that then fine. All we ask is to be fair, is to be honest."

Really? REALLY? Someone that's in the middle of a very serious CHARGE (not investigation). Should you really be saying things like that you chippy little man. Or should you just be keeping your mouth shut about your c**t of striker at the moment....
 
Just seen a remark in the RAWK meltdown thread asking about this so thought I'd give you some info.

A piece in the Guardian/Observer recently said the FA are drafting in another person to help them sort out the 'what words have what connotations said in what part of the world, by whom, to whom, and in what manner' issue. This is causing delays.

The piece makes it very clear that the 2 likely options of word used, whilst they can be used between friends constructively, are clearly derogatory when addressed to a stranger or in a confrontational manner.

Doubt the simplistic knee-jerk intellects usually employed by the FA will grasp any of it tbh.
 
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