Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Eyepopper said:
Suarez, allegedly, though it was acceptable......
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He has demonstrated on a number of occasions that he will do whatever it takes to gain an advantage for his team. Makes him a cnut not necessarily a racist.
 
duffer said:
What do you reckon the punishment should be? Let's say there is a video with clear audio. Is it worse than spitting on someone? Punching someone?
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If solid evidence does emerge, I think an 8 game ban, at the very least. As well as a big fine. I don't think anyone would accept any less.
 
duffer said:
What do you reckon the punishment should be? Let's say there is a video with clear audio. Is it worse than spitting on someone? Punching someone?
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If the allegations are proven I expect at least a five game ban. The FA would have to make an example of him.
 
duffer said:
What do you reckon the punishment should be? Let's say there is a video with clear audio. Is it worse than spitting on someone? Punching someone?
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Just so this does not get buried at the end of the last page, I am interested to hear what people think the punishment should be.

Edit, seemingly needless bump. Sorry!
 
duffer said:
What do you reckon the punishment should be? Let's say there is a video with clear audio. Is it worse than spitting on someone? Punching someone?
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Yes

I reckon being a racist or accusing someone of racism is worthy of the same punishment. The guilty player should be sacked.

Sends a great signal out to the world.
 
"IF TRUE" preferably I'd like to see him banned from football, but that's just me.

He would likely be banned for 8 matches show up at Old Trafford and could do it all over again.....that's if he did it at Anfield....
 
Sultan said:
Yes

I reckon being a racist or accusing someone of racism is worthy of the same punishment. The guilty player should be sacked.

Sends a great signal out to the world.
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That is a good point. In any other work place you would be escorted out of the building no question.
 
Sultan said:
Yes

I reckon being a racist or accusing someone of racism is worthy of the same punishment. The guilty player should be sacked.

Sends a great signal out to the world.
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Sacked? Fecking hell that's a bit harsh. A huge fine to a charity and a grovelling apology would do for me.
 
duffer said:
Sacked? Fecking hell that's a bit harsh. A huge fine to a charity and a grovelling apology would do for me.
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If I did that at work I would be sacked. Are footballers above the rules everyone else lives by?
 
duffer said:
Sacked? Fecking hell that's a bit harsh. A huge fine to a charity and a grovelling apology would do for me.
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Not harsh. We don't want to be skirting around these issues.
 
duffer said:
Sacked? Fecking hell that's a bit harsh. A huge fine to a charity and a grovelling apology would do for me.
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Directing racist abuse at people while at work is usually grounds for dismissal, isn't it? Especially if you do it in a public arena in which you are representing an employer. I'd say if anyone on here was caught doing such a thing at work, they would be shown the door in a heartbeat.
 
mjs020294 said:
If I did that at work I would be sacked. Are footballers above the rules everyone else lives by?
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If I called a colleague or employee of a rival company a fecking cnut I would be sacked. Footballers do it every game. They are not above the rules but the rules are different depending on where you work.
 
duffer said:
If I called a colleague or employee of a rival company a fecking cnut I would be sacked. Footballers do it every game. They are not above the rules but the rules are different depending on where you work.
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In most offices if someone overheard you saying "feck" in a work environment you'd get, at worst, a chat from your boss. If someone overheard you use the n-word you'd be out on your ear.
 
Racism and what constitutes racism is a very difficult subject to talk about rationally without it decending into farce and holier-than-thou accusations but I contend it is possible for a footballer to call an opposing footballer in the heat of battle a "nigger" or a black so-and-so or a Jewish this-and-that and not be racist.
If you are in a gladitorial scenario with an opponent and this is how things are played out in football against the backdrop of baying snarling fans it is no wonder you feel free to say the vilest things and it happens all the time.
If there is a problem with racism in football it with the fans not the players.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
In most offices if someone overheard you saying "feck" in a work environment you'd get, at worst, a chat from your boss. If someone overheard you use the n-word you'd be out on your ear.
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Absolutely, but you must admit depending on where you work the rules are different.
 
redpie said:
Racism and what constitutes racism is a very difficult subject to talk about rationally without it decending into farce and holier-than-thou accusations but I contend it is possible for a footballer to call an opposing footballer in the heat of battle a "nigger" or a black so-and-so or a Jewish this-and-that and not be racist.
If you are in a gladitorial scenario with an opponent and this is how things are played out in football against the backdrop of baying snarling fans it is no wonder you feel free to say the vilest things and it happens all the time.
If there is a problem with racism in football it with the fans not the players.
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The problem isn't helped by you spraying the word is it now?

and if anybody feels free to say the vilest things and it's race that comes to them that's because they're racist.
 
duffer said:
Absolutely, but you must admit depending on where you work the rules are different.
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I'd say there's a wide range of levels of bad language allowed. I doubt you'd get any bother for turning the air blue on a building site. Using racist language is totally unacceptable in any work environment though.
 
Boss said:
The problem isn't helped by you spraying the word is it now?

and if anybody feels free to say the vilest things and it's race that comes to them that's because they're racist.
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Is the problem being helped by people causing a debate every time the word is typed out, instead of the alternative which everyone will read out in their heads anyway each time that "the n-word" is written?

Isn't the huge debate that's drawn up every time the word is being typed out what's causing the huge stigma and what causes people to think about the word even more?
 
As long as it's not being used there will be no "melodrama" from lil ol me.

If you have a problem with that you already know what you can do.

It's also funny you can talk about context when you select on part of what I said.
 
Makki said:
Isn't the huge debate that's drawn up every time the word is being typed out what's causing the huge stigma and what causes people to think about the word even more?
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I kinda feel that by not spelling it out it gains more impact when someone does. It's just a word. Miss-spelling with an "a" instead of an "er" at the end or "the n-word" seems silly and overly reverent.

That said, i'm white and have never been racially abused in any way so i'll respect those who are offended.
 
duffer said:
I kinda feel that by not spelling it out it gains more impact when someone does. It's just a word. Miss-spelling with an "a" instead of an "er" at the end or "the n-word" seems silly and overly reverent.

That said, i'm white and have never been racially abused in any way so i'll respect those who are offended.
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Yup, I only feel that it adds to the stigma. Isn't the stigma being taken out of words like whore, faggot and the likes purely because of the fact that it's used so often that nobody is offended by it anymore?

But then again, I'm white too, so I don't really have any say in this matter and would be willing to keep my opinions to myself if people can tell me why they are harmed and offended by it
 
Evra's complaints have been included in Marriner's match report but the referee has also informed the FA and the Premier League that the first he knew of it was after the match. The two players could be seen exchanging words at various points of the second half but it may count against Evra that he did not raise the alleged offence with Marriner during the game.
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I can't see any reason why Evra would not mention the alleged abuse to the referee during the game. I hope Mr Marriner is being honest about this, and didn't bottle taking any action during the match.
 
SteveJ said:
I can't see any reason why Evra would not mention the alleged abuse to the referee during the game. I hope Mr Marriner is being honest.
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It's not an easy thing to talk about, especially during the game when Evra is trying his hardest to keep focused and not get beaten by the attackers. Evra was well entitled to speak to Marriner about it but maybe he felt after the match is better because he could get lost in the emotions of it all and it will affect his performance.

I remember back in the day Roberto Carlos was sent off at the Camp Nou for arguing with the ref i.e second yellow card. One of the things he was allegedly trying to tell the ref is that he's being racially abused by the fans.

Which he was for how many seasons everytime he went to the Nou Camp. The chants were very audible, the same thing we saw with Marcelo losing his head pre-season in the Suppa copa where the Barca fans were rewinding back the clock with regards to what they did to Real's previous left back.

Basically it's not easy to perform while being racially abused and Evra could feel speaking about it there and then to the ref would side track him even further.


Of course all of this is if, the comments were actually made on Saturday.
 
If Evra is PROVEN to have lied about it then he should be fully punished. However, to punish someone because his accusation is 'groundless' (which we assume to mean no evidence to support the claim, but not actually proven to be incorrect) is a very dangerous game.

If that happens it effectively tells players "you can call your opponents whatever you want as long as nobody else hears" because the person on the receiving end wont say anything for risk of getting punished.
 
SteveJ said:
I can't see any reason why Evra would not mention the alleged abuse to the referee during the game. I hope Mr Marriner is being honest about this, and didn't bottle taking any action during the match.
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That seems odd. What on earth was Evra complaining so intensely about then?

Regarding the article - nothing unexpected really. Would expect United to come out and say the same. Best bet is still that nothing will happen in this case. United and Evra most likely won't be able to prove that Suarez did make any racist comments, but at the same time that won't prove that Evra is lying.
 
Wowi said:
That seems odd. What on earth was Evra complaining so intensely about then?
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Exactly.
Evra's a battler - he was hardly going to be complaining about, say, rough-housing by Suarez.
 
Prophet_of_Doom said:
Wouldn't this constitute racially aggravated harassment and therefore could involve a custodial senstence?
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I can't begin to tell you how much seeing that prick go to jail for a few months would please me. Even of proven 100% guilty though it would never happen. 8 match ban or something at the most.
 
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