This has just become too partisan; what next Monaco's president and the Mayor of Dakar to offer Evra character references.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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What is Poyet saying? “I believe Luis Suarez. It’s simple,” followed by “Why are we going to take one person’s word over another one’s? It’s too risky."
A tad hypocritical isn't it?
A tad hypocritical isn't it?
I'm waiting for Jesse Jackson's response on this matter :MJeatingpopcorngif:
Why is everyone coming across as a closet racist in football nowadays, the more and more people do to defend Suarez the more inclined I am to believe he is in fact guilty, if he hadn't said anything questionable he wouldn't need statements upon statements and power moves from his national governing body. All he needed to say is 'I'm not racist and I will prove it.' Evra didn't cry about anything either, he was incensed about it after the game, SAF asked if he was sure and they made a complaint. I guess that makes SAF a cry baby too eh? All this get on with it and shake hands bollocks is worrying and very disappointing.
I doubt a single black or minority player will ever come out about a racist taunt again after this.
So a person complaining about racism is 'crying like a baby' according to Poyet? What about if one of his players is racially abused, is Poyet going to tell them 'ignore it and move on'?
Ridiculous stance and I hope the FA take this up with him and demand clarification. Racism should not have to be tolerated and it is proper that when a person is racially abused they take issue with the relevant authorities. To pretend nothing happened and shake hands or ignore the abuse is retarded, especially when that abuse comes from a fellow professional.
Ridiculous stance and I hope the FA take this up with him and demand clarification. Racism should not have to be tolerated and it is proper that when a person is racially abused they take issue with the relevant authorities. To pretend nothing happened and shake hands or ignore the abuse is retarded, especially when that abuse comes from a fellow professional.
I'm sure many footballers racially abuse other footballers. Thing is, not many footballers will report it to the football association, instead they keep quiet. However, it's still a gamble using racial slurs.
Suarez took that gamble. He thought he could wind Evra up by racially taunting. Oh, Suarez did it alright. He did wind Evra up and Evra stepped to the FA. Suarez was stupid to think he could racially taunt an opponent without any consequences. His stupidity should be punished.
I think it's disgusting behavior from Suarez. He should be punished. This said, I think the behavior of a few Liverpool fans is even more disgusting and sad. Not only do they defend racism, they are also blaming Evra for all this? I'm sorry, but Suarez already admitted he used a certain word, so there's your proof. Reading those posts make me cringe.
What if Glen Johnson was racially abused by one of our players, will those few Liverpool fans start screaming for the FA to punish our player?
Suarez took that gamble. He thought he could wind Evra up by racially taunting. Oh, Suarez did it alright. He did wind Evra up and Evra stepped to the FA. Suarez was stupid to think he could racially taunt an opponent without any consequences. His stupidity should be punished.
I think it's disgusting behavior from Suarez. He should be punished. This said, I think the behavior of a few Liverpool fans is even more disgusting and sad. Not only do they defend racism, they are also blaming Evra for all this? I'm sorry, but Suarez already admitted he used a certain word, so there's your proof. Reading those posts make me cringe.
What if Glen Johnson was racially abused by one of our players, will those few Liverpool fans start screaming for the FA to punish our player?
Just read what Poyet. This is actually very worrying. It shows that we havent advanced as far as much as we have thought. This is getting ridiculous. Evra's reaction was nothing cry babyish. In fact patrice should feel good by the fact that he had the balls to take a stand when others wouldn't dare. It's not being a cry baby poyet, it's called being a man. When you've been wronged, do something about it. If we had people like Poyet who just decided to accept it for what it is and somehow expect things are going to change, then what hope is there?
People made a difference in the world because they decided to do something about what was going around them. You want change, then you take the steps to get there. You take a stand for what you feel is right. Obviously there are some scenarios where it's better not to say something right away but in this day and age, Evra is bringing up something that has to be addressed. It's the sad that people are indirectly condoning this behavior. Putting the player before his wrongful actions. It's just got to stop.
I can't believe Poyet is acting like a complete knob. He should forget that Suarez is his countryman and just look at it for what it is. Is it really that hard? Are that we set in our ways?
Didn't mean to rant like this but it really is a shame. Still and yet, I'm glad that these things happen because I really gives us all a nice gut check and shows where we really are as a society. It's despicable.
People made a difference in the world because they decided to do something about what was going around them. You want change, then you take the steps to get there. You take a stand for what you feel is right. Obviously there are some scenarios where it's better not to say something right away but in this day and age, Evra is bringing up something that has to be addressed. It's the sad that people are indirectly condoning this behavior. Putting the player before his wrongful actions. It's just got to stop.
I can't believe Poyet is acting like a complete knob. He should forget that Suarez is his countryman and just look at it for what it is. Is it really that hard? Are that we set in our ways?
Didn't mean to rant like this but it really is a shame. Still and yet, I'm glad that these things happen because I really gives us all a nice gut check and shows where we really are as a society. It's despicable.
Hear hear.
Poyet's made a right cnut of himself there and come across as none to bright in the process. Those are extraordinary comments.
Poyet's quote is strange. He say's he believes Suarez, and goes on to support that claim by stating he was personally racially abused using every word in book?
Sounds like, "Did you hear that Suarez says he called Evra 'Negrito'?"
"I believe Luis Suárez, it's simple," Poyet said. "I played football for seven years in Spain and was called everything because I was from South America, and I never went out crying like a baby, like Patrice Evra, saying that someone had said something to me."
That would be like saying, "Suarez? Yeah, I can believe he said some stupid shit like that. I was personally racially abused constantly when I played. But in my day, we walked up hill to school, both ways, and played in a shower of glass shards and gun shots. My mother was being beaten in the stands and I got on with it. Anyone complaining about anything is a pussy, including Evra. I'm badass, unlike him."
Sounds like, "Did you hear that Suarez says he called Evra 'Negrito'?"
"I believe Luis Suárez, it's simple," Poyet said. "I played football for seven years in Spain and was called everything because I was from South America, and I never went out crying like a baby, like Patrice Evra, saying that someone had said something to me."
That would be like saying, "Suarez? Yeah, I can believe he said some stupid shit like that. I was personally racially abused constantly when I played. But in my day, we walked up hill to school, both ways, and played in a shower of glass shards and gun shots. My mother was being beaten in the stands and I got on with it. Anyone complaining about anything is a pussy, including Evra. I'm badass, unlike him."
Its clear he probably uses the same types of words...one racist supporting another.
Suarez, his manager, Blatter, Poyet, the Uruguayan embassy. Is this now an international diplomatic incident? Obama to fly in to broker peace talks?
Whether or not Suarez gets off, his reputation is shot and he is going to be just about the most reviled and insulted player in the Prem by non-Liverpool fans and writers.
Whether or not Suarez gets off, his reputation is shot and he is going to be just about the most reviled and insulted player in the Prem by non-Liverpool fans and writers.
racism is bloody serious...this is the 21st century ffs...and scum like this want to defend this kind of behaviour?
The Uruguayan Embassy??
Well feck off Uruguay back to your slave owning days.
The thing I don't quite understand is how a defence of "that language is perfectly acceptable in Uruguayan culture" is thought of as even remotely adequate by Suarez/Liverpool.
If this incident had happened in Uruguay then fair enough. But it happened in England, where such language can be viewed as worthy of jail time, let alone a ban from playing football. Surely the only culture to be considered here is the English culture, and surely Suarez should have known to respect the English culture in this instance?
It's like a Spanish person sunbathing naked in an Arab country and trying to rely on a defence that nude sunbathing is perfectly acceptable in some parts of Spain. That defence would be given fairly short shrift by most Arab authorities.
Obviously that analogy is crap and by using it I don't mean to trivialise racism, but the point stands that people should always respect the culture of the country in which they are in, and a defence of "we do things differently back home" should rightly be unacceptable.
If this incident had happened in Uruguay then fair enough. But it happened in England, where such language can be viewed as worthy of jail time, let alone a ban from playing football. Surely the only culture to be considered here is the English culture, and surely Suarez should have known to respect the English culture in this instance?
It's like a Spanish person sunbathing naked in an Arab country and trying to rely on a defence that nude sunbathing is perfectly acceptable in some parts of Spain. That defence would be given fairly short shrift by most Arab authorities.
Obviously that analogy is crap and by using it I don't mean to trivialise racism, but the point stands that people should always respect the culture of the country in which they are in, and a defence of "we do things differently back home" should rightly be unacceptable.
I don't believe such language is accepted in Uruguay or anywhere in South America.
I am disgusted by the embassy supporting a racist just because he is their star footballer.
somebody should take this with the embassy officially should the FA find him guilty.
I am disgusted by the embassy supporting a racist just because he is their star footballer.
somebody should take this with the embassy officially should the FA find him guilty.
what he meant to say was nagrito.
He's just blindly supporting his fellow countryman. He doesn't have a logical thread in his points because his heart was ruling his head.
I wouldn't be surprised if he walks back the comments about being a cry baby if you complain about racism, especially if the chairman of Brighton has any sense.
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Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! Just practicing.
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! Just practicing.
One would hope. Wow. This whole fiasco has brought up some people's true colors.
What the feck is going on? People have gone fecking crazy.
The more people open their mouths to defend Suarez the worse it gets for him.
First Suarez and Kenny start yapping after the FA told them to be quiet. Dagliesh saying that Evra should be suspended and such nonsense. Suarez makes reference to the word he used but then was ashamed to repeat it in the press.
Then Blatter opens his hole and throws the race issue onto the fire. Everyone in England that hates Blatter comes out with an opinion on how shaking hands after a game is just not acceptable if a player has been racially taunted or abused.
Now you have backwards people like Poyet making it worse by saying anyone who makes a complaint is a 'cry-baby'
I'm sure the FA would have liked to brush this one under the carpet with some claim like a 'cultural difference led to a misunderstanding' as they try to help out Liverpool. Now there is NO WAY they can stop short of a long suspension or it makes a joke of the whole 'Kick-It-Out' campaign.
Considering that Rio got 6 months for just missing a drug test, it begs the question if the FA are more serious about something so minor compared to racism. The FA are going to have to consider a long suspension in order to restore their own credibility on the anti-racism campaign.
First Suarez and Kenny start yapping after the FA told them to be quiet. Dagliesh saying that Evra should be suspended and such nonsense. Suarez makes reference to the word he used but then was ashamed to repeat it in the press.
Then Blatter opens his hole and throws the race issue onto the fire. Everyone in England that hates Blatter comes out with an opinion on how shaking hands after a game is just not acceptable if a player has been racially taunted or abused.
Now you have backwards people like Poyet making it worse by saying anyone who makes a complaint is a 'cry-baby'
I'm sure the FA would have liked to brush this one under the carpet with some claim like a 'cultural difference led to a misunderstanding' as they try to help out Liverpool. Now there is NO WAY they can stop short of a long suspension or it makes a joke of the whole 'Kick-It-Out' campaign.
Considering that Rio got 6 months for just missing a drug test, it begs the question if the FA are more serious about something so minor compared to racism. The FA are going to have to consider a long suspension in order to restore their own credibility on the anti-racism campaign.
The more people open their mouths to defend Suarez the worse it gets for him.
First Suarez and Kenny start yapping after the FA told them to be quiet. Dagliesh saying that Evra should be suspended and such nonsense. Suarez makes reference to the word he used but then was ashamed to repeat it in the press.
Then Blatter opens his hole and throws the race issue onto the fire. Everyone in England that hates Blatter comes out with an opinion on how shaking hands after a game is just not acceptable if a player has been racially taunted or abused.
Now you have backwards people like Poyet making it worse by saying anyone who makes a complaint is a 'cry-baby'
I'm sure the FA would have liked to brush this one under the carpet with some claim like a 'cultural difference led to a misunderstanding' as they try to help out Liverpool. Now there is NO WAY they can stop short of a long suspension or it makes a joke of the whole 'Kick-It-Out' campaign.
Considering that Rio got 6 months for just missing a drug test, it begs the question if the FA are more serious about something so minor compared to racism. The FA are going to have to consider a long suspension in order to restore their own credibility on the anti-racism campaign.
I hope you're right mate. I really do. Something has to be done. My head and heart are telling me two different things at this point. That's where I stand
Poyet is Uruguayan. Maybe thats why he is favouring Suarez. But if Suarez is found guilty. Poyet would look like a complete ass..
Poor Suarez. I reckon he was just trying to help Paddy, by telling him to buy Negredo on FM...
Poyet and Suarez are apparently 'very close friends'..
I got one right for once.
Doesn't matter what happens, Poyet is just trying to come across as some nostalgic hardman who "just gets on with it."
feck that noise.
it's stupidity. it really shows he didnt have the balls to at least do something or voice his concern
The people coming out to defend him are coming across a lot worse than he is.
Dalglish
Liverpool
Liverpool fans
Guy Poyet
I mean Suarez is going down the cultural ignorance line of excuses, what excuse do these people have? And Poyet, wow, those speak out after facing racial abuse are crybabies - well at least he knows, if the Brighton thing goes tits up, he can work as Sepp Blatter's personal spokesperson.
Dalglish
Liverpool
Liverpool fans
Guy Poyet
I mean Suarez is going down the cultural ignorance line of excuses, what excuse do these people have? And Poyet, wow, those speak out after facing racial abuse are crybabies - well at least he knows, if the Brighton thing goes tits up, he can work as Sepp Blatter's personal spokesperson.
the reaction to Poyet's statements on a Brighton forum. They are not happy he has spoken on this issue and some trying to defend him (he has done a pretty job for them so far football-wise)
Gus Poyet - right or wrong?
Gus Poyet - right or wrong?
Poyet's words are bizarre frankly. So cos he was systematically racially abused in Spain when he played there and never tried to change the situation he doesn't feel Evra has the right to complain? Where's the logic in that position?
Dangerous precedents being set all over the place by people speaking out at the moment. Or maybe the problem of racism is crawling out of the woodwork finally. It appears football is riddled with misinformed and highly questionable attitudes towards the subject
Heard its a 6 game ban, anyone can confirm?
Actually really impressed.
The vast majority are very unimpressed with Poyet's comments. They are not showing blind loyalty but are actually thoughtfully engaged. Not sure if we would look half as good if the roles were reversed tbh.
In addition there was one bad comment about United, but the rest of the forum quickly pointed out the reality, overall very impressed.
Is the overwhelmingly stupid support from Poyet and the embassy a direct result of Suarez's behaviour at the world cup and getting sent off to try and help his country? Im not sure he'd get the same support if he hadnt done that and become a "hero" over there
yeah overall, the attitude towards racism in England is pretty healthy, even though there are some stray incidents.
that's good to hear from you mate - there was a fair percentage of Indian people where I lived in Manchester and everyone I'd grown up with really enjoyed their company and their culture. Some good banter. Unfortunately there'll always be the occasional idiot with their own problems that take it out on others.
most of the coverage has been reporting support of Suarez ie: Dalglish, LFC, Poyet etc - it comes over a bit sypathetic towards Suarez. Maybe it's because United and Evra's dignified silence gives them nothing to "report"
They're going on about Evra shouting and complaining when he has been the exact opposite. No bleating to the press or anyone else since the incident - it's all been coming from the defence.
They're going on about Evra shouting and complaining when he has been the exact opposite. No bleating to the press or anyone else since the incident - it's all been coming from the defence.