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Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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I still can't believe Glen Johnson's comments.
I’m far from being PC I suppose, given my age (I’m 55 and yes it’s cultural, growing up in Rochdale in the 60’s and 70s was a different world), but I’ve never seen myself as racist. If I make a mistake and say something that could be construed as racist and its pointed out to me, I’d apologise right away, and learn from my mistake.
I thought football and Britain as a nation has generally moved forward with regards to racist aptitudes, but what I’ve been reading from these so called Liverpool fans has made me feel sick.
It makes me think we’ve gone back 20 or 30 years and quite honestly I think this is really sad.
Quite a surprising take on the controversy from NESN (New England Sports Network), of which Liverpool owner John W. Henry's Fenway Sports Group is the majority shareholder:
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Luis Suarez's Racism Controversy Should Promote Positive Changes in World Soccer - Liverpool FC - NESN.com
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Luis Suarez's Racism Controversy Should Promote Positive Changes in World Soccer - Liverpool FC - NESN.com
I'd love some sort of fall out from the owners. Wouldn't it be funny if they sacked Dalglish due to how he handled the case and Suarez due to the incident? Just imagine RAWK imploding. It would be so funny.
They should sack that fecking idiot. He has handled this appallingly.
For me it's all about the club I represent and if someone in that club does something the rest won't agree, are you for or against that team-mate? For Johnson to come out like that shows backbone and that's admirable. This whole case may bring them more together as a team.
Backbone? Admirable?! What the feck? Surely the exact opposite?
But it's King Kenny la'. They can't sack him, he's got everyone scared, noone less so than Slur Alex.
They're nearly at the top of the hill. I think it's Mt. Everest.
Someone just alerted me to Evra's facebook wall, seems the vile cnuts are evrywhere
If anything happens it's probably all Sir Alex fault as well. I love how long that mans reach, well reaches.
Also his fault Liverpool aren't topping the table, probably also behind both World Wars and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
feck me. Although most of them are perfectly within their rights to racially abuse Evra because they are doing it in Spanish! This is my understanding of the issue any way.
Everytime I see Dalglish recently he looks like he's been sleeping rough.
Wow!!!
that's some of the worst stuff i see in a long time.
even those who think they are being funny or sarcastic are just coming across as vile.
After reading that, I'm happier than ever that I support United.
He's possibly caused one of the largest instances of global racial hatred since the internet began. Maybe he's worried about that?
No silly me, what am I thinking about, he must be worrying about poor little Suaracist
He's been looking rough long before all this started.
Brian Reade column: Why Liverpool must draw clean line under Luis Suarez row or risk soiling the club's name - Brian Reade - MirrorFootball.co.uk
Around now it's customary to hand out jokey awards based on events in the past footballing year.
But after such a year, and particularly such an ending, jokes are out.
For weeks the game has struggled to come to terms with Gary Speed hanging himself. Before that it struggled to understand how Carlos Tevez could refuse to get off the bench and earn his £225,000-a-week, or how other multi-millionaires were allowed to buy injunctions which kept themselves above the law.
The World Cup bidding process stank of the same corruption that FIFA's top officials were found guilty of, and the words of Sepp Blatter, John Terry and Luis Suarez have evoked a national debate over racism.
The words used by all three may not be the same but they have created the context in which each has been judged.
Terry's comments cannot be discussed, other than to say he protests his innocence, but the global coverage given to the allegations against England's captain were no doubt in Blatter's mind when he bizarrely argued that a player who is racially abused should shrug it off by shaking the hand of his abuser.
Those words hardly caused a ripple of concern outside these shores. But in England, partly due to simmering anger towards Blatter, they evoked a hurricane of contempt. There was shock and disbelief that the head of world football could send out such a flippant response to an issue that scars humanity.
And they were undoubtedly behind the FA's unprecedented eight-match ban handed out to Suarez for "using offensive language" to Patrice Evra "that included an inappropriate reference to a person's colour."
Suarez denies he is a racist. Indeed the FA in their judgement and Evra in his statement do not accuse him of being one. His case states that he unknowingly used a word which is acceptable in Uruguay but not in Britain. The independent panel's almost impossible task was to decide whether ignorance is a defence. They decided it wasn't. And in the cold light of the present day they had little choice.
The rage from Anfield over the eight-game ban is understandable. They believe Suarez has not only been scapegoated but the unprecedented punishment makes it look like he's committed the worst act of racism ever heard on an English football pitch. Which he didn't.
But the truth is, he used the word "negro" to a black player who reported it to the FA. And he admitted it, before pleading cultural ignorance of its significance. In any other year that may have earned him a suspended sentence and a hefty fine. But following its ascent to the moral high-ground in condemning Blatter, English football was never going to leave itself open to charges of hypocrisy on this subject.
Especially with the country's captain facing criminal charges. Had Terry been found guilty sooner and dealt with, he would have been made the example of. As it turns out Suarez got there first and is taking the rap. Terry's may be coming down the line.
The Suarez case is an incredibly complex one to pass judgment on, and until the full report of proceedings is published, we don't know if it contains facts which support Liverpool's or the FA's stance. But Liverpool, in their rage, have to tread carefully.
To reject outright that Suarez used an unacceptable word, even through ignorance, is to let down a proud tradition of zero-tolerance against racism that goes back to the days when John Barnes faced it on a weekly basis.
It leaves the club open to the charge that they don't believe the time has come for football to turn its anti-racist slogans into unequivocal actions.
Appeal to clear Suarez's name by all means, but drop the protest shirts and the siege mentality, because the issue is far too sensitive, and the club's reputation far too precious, for such an aggressive stance.
The scale of Suarez's punishment may seem unduly large but Liverpool FC, football and how we treat fellow human beings, is bigger than it.
Around now it's customary to hand out jokey awards based on events in the past footballing year.
But after such a year, and particularly such an ending, jokes are out.
For weeks the game has struggled to come to terms with Gary Speed hanging himself. Before that it struggled to understand how Carlos Tevez could refuse to get off the bench and earn his £225,000-a-week, or how other multi-millionaires were allowed to buy injunctions which kept themselves above the law.
The World Cup bidding process stank of the same corruption that FIFA's top officials were found guilty of, and the words of Sepp Blatter, John Terry and Luis Suarez have evoked a national debate over racism.
The words used by all three may not be the same but they have created the context in which each has been judged.
Terry's comments cannot be discussed, other than to say he protests his innocence, but the global coverage given to the allegations against England's captain were no doubt in Blatter's mind when he bizarrely argued that a player who is racially abused should shrug it off by shaking the hand of his abuser.
Those words hardly caused a ripple of concern outside these shores. But in England, partly due to simmering anger towards Blatter, they evoked a hurricane of contempt. There was shock and disbelief that the head of world football could send out such a flippant response to an issue that scars humanity.
And they were undoubtedly behind the FA's unprecedented eight-match ban handed out to Suarez for "using offensive language" to Patrice Evra "that included an inappropriate reference to a person's colour."
Suarez denies he is a racist. Indeed the FA in their judgement and Evra in his statement do not accuse him of being one. His case states that he unknowingly used a word which is acceptable in Uruguay but not in Britain. The independent panel's almost impossible task was to decide whether ignorance is a defence. They decided it wasn't. And in the cold light of the present day they had little choice.
The rage from Anfield over the eight-game ban is understandable. They believe Suarez has not only been scapegoated but the unprecedented punishment makes it look like he's committed the worst act of racism ever heard on an English football pitch. Which he didn't.
But the truth is, he used the word "negro" to a black player who reported it to the FA. And he admitted it, before pleading cultural ignorance of its significance. In any other year that may have earned him a suspended sentence and a hefty fine. But following its ascent to the moral high-ground in condemning Blatter, English football was never going to leave itself open to charges of hypocrisy on this subject.
Especially with the country's captain facing criminal charges. Had Terry been found guilty sooner and dealt with, he would have been made the example of. As it turns out Suarez got there first and is taking the rap. Terry's may be coming down the line.
The Suarez case is an incredibly complex one to pass judgment on, and until the full report of proceedings is published, we don't know if it contains facts which support Liverpool's or the FA's stance. But Liverpool, in their rage, have to tread carefully.
To reject outright that Suarez used an unacceptable word, even through ignorance, is to let down a proud tradition of zero-tolerance against racism that goes back to the days when John Barnes faced it on a weekly basis.
It leaves the club open to the charge that they don't believe the time has come for football to turn its anti-racist slogans into unequivocal actions.
Appeal to clear Suarez's name by all means, but drop the protest shirts and the siege mentality, because the issue is far too sensitive, and the club's reputation far too precious, for such an aggressive stance.
The scale of Suarez's punishment may seem unduly large but Liverpool FC, football and how we treat fellow human beings, is bigger than it.
As soon as I get a spare minute I'm going to send a well thought out letter to the Kick it out Campaign and the FA to convey my feelings about this and all the other chaos Dalglish and LFC has caused, and call for action to be taken against them. This disgusting horror show is turning the clock back 30 years in terms of attitudes amongst football fans towards racism .If anyone else feels like doing so the link is here: Contact Us
There is no way they should be allowed to get away with this
Anyone link me to an article please?
I think you're dead right about LFC and Dalglish's stance on this putting Anti Racism back years...Dalglish appears so smug about his and his player's stance in press meetings about the Suarez thing and I find that very sad indeed. I would have hoped someone in a position of responsibility such as him would have known better. I'm convinced the owners of LFC are cringing.
If it was the other way round and a United player was accused of being racist to a Liverpool player they'd be calling for a lifetime ban, would they not. It's like they want to rant and rave so loudly that Suarez isn't racist, people will believe them - bit like a child kicking off louder and louder coz mum won't buy them sweets at the checkout. Why don't they just STFU and be men about it.
That vitriolic racism on Twitter and Facebook is sickening...I really haven't seen anything like it before. Anfield has become 'Klanfield'
To what purpose ? I mean, everything is fixed in advance right ? Why do they bother competing then ?
Maybe they were just following orders in wearing the Tshirts...
ve vur only obeyink orders!!!
Brian Reade, and Dionn Fanning are usually firm favourites on RAWK for being very pro-Liverpool in their articles.
But I guess Fanning, who has a similar article in tomorrows Sunday Independent in Ireland, will now join Reade as being a traitor for saying that maybe, just maybe, Liverpools actions so far have been poorly judged.
It's actually beginning to remind me of the Riots.
One act that has brought on a sort of anarchic chaos where seemingly normal people are spurned on by mob like hate to a point where it becomes acceptable to do (or say, in this case) the most horrific things because they are safe in the anonymity produced by the sheer masses involved.
Some of them were stupid enough to post on twitter with (I'd guess) their real names.It's like a "come and get me " plea.I really hope the police get somehow involved.
The Merseyside Mindset
"'Ey, Phil Thompson's sticking up for us on Sky!"
"Well in, Thommo lad."
"LEGEND..."
1 minute later...
"B*stard! He's just said that we won't win nuffing this season!"
"Judas!"
"Always hated him..."
"'Ey, Phil Thompson's sticking up for us on Sky!"
"Well in, Thommo lad."
"LEGEND..."
1 minute later...
"B*stard! He's just said that we won't win nuffing this season!"
"Judas!"
"Always hated him..."
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I don't think they would find themselves in the running for 2012...
I don't think they would find themselves in the running for 2012...
I actually do not. These people have made comments and they have been made available for all to see, they have been logged on the internet and they will be almost impossible to remove all trace of. That is good enough for me. Any future potential employer will find this stuff on a google search and the world and his dog can see what mindset these people have now, they have exposed their ugliness to all.
I think people should be free to be massive racists if they want to be so long as it remains in the virtual world. If it spills over into the streets then the police can become involved. If they go round arresting people and putting people in court for comments they make on Twitter it will only worsen the situation.
The police are already involved.
I'm half expecting Derren Brown to be behind the whole thing.
Presumably you think that the vile messages directed at Stan Collymore are perfectly acceptable then?
Think they can only get involved if they see it as an incitement to racial hatredin which case it becomes difficult to prove. Members of the BNP have had charges dropped on the same basis
Don't think that's the point he was making. Of course it's not acceptable but the principle of free speech should be protected even if it means people saying things we despise
With regards to Collymore the police are already involved.
How did you glean that? If people want everyone on Earth to know what disgustingly biggoted views they hold then so be it. Say Dave Bloggs posted some of that filth on Collymore's Twitter then applied for a job somewhere. The personel department decide to Google the candidates and find Mr. Bloggs using hate-filled language about someone. Are they calling him in for an interview?
I know. As much as I'like to see these vile excuses for humanity get their comeuppance, it is a really sensitive issue how far we can legislate about what people can say in their own homes or on the internet or even in the press. Inciting violence obviously oversteps the mark.
What was the comment that the police responded to.
I would suspect that in the majority of cases Dave Bloggs isn't their real name.