F1 2022 Season

Gonna say it now, both Mercedes wont be in the top 6 for the start of the GP on Sunday.

Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
 
Gonna say it now, both Mercedes wont be in the top 6 for the start of the GP on Sunday.

Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
I have a feeling you may be right but I'm going to bet on the long-shot that this is the usual MO from Merc and they'll be there or there-a-bouts on Saturday Qualifying. It has become quite the pantomime piece over the years.
 
Gonna say it now, both Mercedes wont be in the top 6 for the start of the GP on Sunday.

Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
I tend to agree with you.

It may take half a season before they get on top of things. Like last season.
 
Rather admitting there was enough ambiguity for what happened to have not been strictly against the rules. Otherwise it wouldnt need rewording.

There was no ambiguity here, hence why it has never been interpreted this way before in the history of the sport. It was a weak cop out excuse that Masi clung to, and also largely irrelevant anyway. The rules state that the race must restart at the end of the following lap after drivers receive the message that lapped cars can overtake. Masi restarted the race at the end of the lap that the announcement was made. So this clearing up of 'ambiguity' still doesn't mean the rules were followed correctly. Had he followed the rules as written, the race would never have restarted because there wasn't enough laps left to restart it in accordance with the rules. Had the rules been followed correctly, the race would have 'restarted' as Hamilton crossed the line to win.

An FIA executive has already stated that if Mercedes pursued their appeal, they'd have probably decided that Masi went against the regulations and that they would have voided the result completely which would still have left Max champion, but is a complete admission that Masi's actions were wrong and that had they followed the rules properly, Max would not be world champion. Not sure why we keep finding excuses for Masi/Red Bull. It's crystal clear in the rules that what happened should not have happened, even if you completely ignore the 'some lapped cars can overtake but not others' issue.
 
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I have to miss the opening race to go with my girlfriend to get her stuff from her old place so gonna be watching it on catch up. I think Mercedes are still going to be competitive, we see other teams porpoising too and they're likely sandbagging in testing. Maybe not 1-2 but enough so that once they fix the issue they're not so far behind that they can't be competitive. I just hope we see Ferrari up there in the top 3, their car looks gorgeous and it's about time they were competitive again.
 
There was no ambiguity here, hence why it has never been interpreted this way before in the history of the sport. It was a weak cop out excuse that Masi clung to, and also largely irrelevant anyway. The rules state that the race must restart at the end of the following lap after drivers receive the message that lapped cars can overtake. Masi restarted the race at the end of the lap that the announcement was made. So this clearing up of 'ambiguity' still doesn't mean the rules were followed correctly. Had he followed the rules as written, the race would never have restarted because there wasn't enough laps left to restart it in accordance with the rules. Had the rules been followed correctly, the race would have 'restarted' as Hamilton crossed the line to win.

An FIA executive has already stated that if Mercedes pursued their appeal, they'd have probably decided that Masi went against the regulations and that they would have voided the result completely which would still have left Max champion, but is a complete admission that Masi's actions were wrong and that had they followed the rules properly, Max would not be world champion. Not sure why we keep finding excuses for Masi/Red Bull. It's crystal clear in the rules that what happened should not have happened, even if you completely ignore the 'some lapped cars can overtake but not others' issue.

The stewards accepted that article 15.3 (or whatever it was) that 'the race director has full control over the use of the safety car' superseded the rules about when the safety car had to pit. And since they've taken the +1 lap rule out altogether now, if it all happened again the safety car would pit the same lap as the lapped cars overtaking.

In other words, Masi's creative interpretation of that particular rule is going to stick going forward, even though he shouldn't have done it in Abu Dhabi. The right result by the wrong means.
 
The stewards accepted that article 15.3 (or whatever it was) that 'the race director has full control over the use of the safety car' superseded the rules about when the safety car had to pit. And since they've taken the +1 lap rule out altogether now, if it all happened again the safety car would pit the same lap as the lapped cars overtaking.

In other words, Masi's creative interpretation of that particular rule is going to stick going forward, even though he shouldn't have done it in Abu Dhabi. The right result by the wrong means.
The new rule isn’t consistent with what happened. It is not clear that all the cars would have made it past the safety car in time.
 
The stewards accepted that article 15.3 (or whatever it was) that 'the race director has full control over the use of the safety car' superseded the rules about when the safety car had to pit. And since they've taken the +1 lap rule out altogether now, if it all happened again the safety car would pit the same lap as the lapped cars overtaking.

In other words, Masi's creative interpretation of that particular rule is going to stick going forward, even though he shouldn't have done it in Abu Dhabi. The right result by the wrong means.

No it wouldn't, the regs still state the race restarts at the end of the following lap.

Directly from the regs 2 minutes ago

Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the message “LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE” has been sent to all Competitors using the official messaging system, the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.

This would have been the moment Lewis crossed the line to win. So as I said, even if you completely ignore the 'some cars vs all cars' issue, the rules explicitly state that what happened should not happen and nothing has changed there since the farce happened.
 
The new rule isn’t consistent with what happened. It is not clear that all the cars would have made it past the safety car in time.

No they probably wouldn't have. All I'm really saying is that there are parts of the rules that were too ambiguous, which is the FIA's fault. And parts which need constant improving.
 
There was no ambiguity here, hence why it has never been interpreted this way before in the history of the sport. It was a weak cop out excuse that Masi clung to, and also largely irrelevant anyway. The rules state that the race must restart at the end of the following lap after drivers receive the message that lapped cars can overtake. Masi restarted the race at the end of the lap that the announcement was made. So this clearing up of 'ambiguity' still doesn't mean the rules were followed correctly. Had he followed the rules as written, the race would never have restarted because there wasn't enough laps left to restart it in accordance with the rules. Had the rules been followed correctly, the race would have 'restarted' as Hamilton crossed the line to win.

An FIA executive has already stated that if Mercedes pursued their appeal, they'd have probably decided that Masi went against the regulations and that they would have voided the result completely which would still have left Max champion, but is a complete admission that Masi's actions were wrong and that had they followed the rules properly, Max would not be world champion. Not sure why we keep finding excuses for Masi/Red Bull. It's crystal clear in the rules that what happened should not have happened, even if you completely ignore the 'some lapped cars can overtake but not others' issue.
Well said. Complete farce of a result. Alas...
 
I wanted Hamilton to win but wasn't really against max winning. What I really wanted was it to be decided on the track and it wasn't which robbed everyone of a great finale. Talking about it is pointless now, time for the new season.
 
I wanted Hamilton to win but wasn't really against max winning. What I really wanted was it to be decided on the track and it wasn't which robbed everyone of a great finale. Talking about it is pointless now, time for the new season.
I think it actually sets the context for this new season. The sport and the FIA are walking a tight rope.

If any advantage is given to any particular team or driver by questionable rule interpretations this season, then the sport will become an even bigger joke than giving Max the championship was last season.
 
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talking of despised father son combos, I finisher the dts series last night and feel just as shit about the finish all over again now
 
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talking of despised father son combos, I finisher the dts series last night and feel just as shit about the finish all over again now
Yeah I'm more excited about seeing Rossi race a car in some nondescript series that I know hardly anything about than f1 returning.
Watching videos of the past F1 glory days hasn't helped either. Warm up commentated by Murray was more thrilling than sprint races are these days.
 
Gonna say it now, both Mercedes wont be in the top 6 for the start of the GP on Sunday.

Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
Apparently a new floor arrived last night in Bahrain ... so I wouldn't be so sure it will take them so will be interesting to see if that makes a big difference

It was pretty quick in the slow sections so if the new floor goes someway to sorting out the porposing I can certainly see one of them in the top 6
 
Apparently a new floor arrived last night in Bahrain ... so I wouldn't be so sure it will take them so will be interesting to see if that makes a big difference

It was pretty quick in the slow sections so if the new floor goes someway to sorting out the porposing I can certainly see one of them in the top 6
Hopefully, I’d like to see merc get a good start this year. I can’t see Russel being the same kind of no.2 as what bottas was to Lewis, can imagine some infighting and battling for position between the two of them that I hope doesn’t play into red bulls hands
 
Don't get the panicking over Mercedes being slow in testing. They always are. And they always come good. Been that way for years.
 
Don't get the panicking over Mercedes being slow in testing. They always are. And they always come good. Been that way for years.

It's very cute, but they are not fooling anyone who truly knows what's going on here. Come qualifying, both drivers will be in the top 4 and Ferrari will maximum have one up there. Obviously Perez isn't a very good driver as can be seen by his qualifying last season, hence he will qualify 5th or 6th whilst Max is top 2 most likely.
Last season, Mercedes said the exact same things to the dot and Hamilton won the first race. Come on, they are so superior in terms of engineering they have to play themselves down on purpose.
 
Iam slightly worried about Mercedes, they did not look good in testing, Lewis was not even close to setting decent times, Russell was closer, but still a good .8 - 1 second off Max.
If they have sorted out their porpoising problem, they should be OK, there is always the idea that they did not push in it testing because they already know what the car can do and did not want to show the other teams, I dont always buy that.
I dont want Max running away with the first lot of races, but equally I dont want it another 2 horse race, hopefully 3 , 4 or 5 teams can mix it up and give Max and yes Lewis a fight for the title.
 
The panic over Mercedes is uncalled for. If they are suffering more from porpoising its almost certainly because they are generating the most downforce from their package. If they can't get it sorted for Bahrain, I have no doubt it will take more than a few races. At that point they'll probably have close to a dominant car. Couple Russell being able to take more points of Max, almost certainly a harder line on Max's behaviour and I still think its looking good for Mercedes and Lewis this year.
 
Is this the 6th team hes going to have raced with?

Aston
Racing Point
Renault
Force India
Sauber
Williams

TBF if it was on talent alone it would probably be him and vettell as the drivers with stoll as reserve

Not that I see it happening, but would love him to get a podium.
 
Is this the 6th team hes going to have raced with?

Aston
Racing Point
Renault
Force India
Sauber
Williams

TBF if it was on talent alone it would probably be him and vettell as the drivers with stoll as reserve

Technically it's 4 teams he's raced for. Force India/Racing Point/Aston Martin are all the same team apart from name. Bored of seeing him in F1 though & would rather a young driver get an opportunity.
 
The panic over Mercedes is uncalled for. If they are suffering more from porpoising its almost certainly because they are generating the most downforce from their package. If they can't get it sorted for Bahrain, I have no doubt it will take more than a few races. At that point they'll probably have close to a dominant car. Couple Russell being able to take more points of Max, almost certainly a harder line on Max's behaviour and I still think its looking good for Mercedes and Lewis this year.
not being an f1 engineer I cant help but thinking that generating too much downforce and adding some things to the floor that can be adjusted to allow some air to escape sounds easier than finding the additional downforce to start with

will see what happens but lewis at 7/1 to win the bahrain GP does not look like a bad bet - le clerk at 11/2 as well

Max is deservedly favourite at 2/1 but those odds show its a pretty open race

winning team odds are
merc 13/8
red bull 2/1
ferrari 10/3

which again by f1 standards indicates a pretty open GP