altodevil
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Why are you not in the prediction league?Thanks all
Why are you not in the prediction league?Thanks all
I have a feeling you may be right but I'm going to bet on the long-shot that this is the usual MO from Merc and they'll be there or there-a-bouts on Saturday Qualifying. It has become quite the pantomime piece over the years.Gonna say it now, both Mercedes wont be in the top 6 for the start of the GP on Sunday.
Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
I tend to agree with you.Gonna say it now, both Mercedes wont be in the top 6 for the start of the GP on Sunday.
Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
Too lazy to sign up.Why are you not in the prediction league?
How do I enter these please?Why are you not in the prediction league?
Too lazy to sign up.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/redcafe-f1-prediction-league-2022-sign-up-now.469239/How do I enter these please?
Thank you I’ll look at this
2 running this year , both difference formats.Yes yes I’ve signed up now
Rather admitting there was enough ambiguity for what happened to have not been strictly against the rules. Otherwise it wouldnt need rewording.
There was no ambiguity here, hence why it has never been interpreted this way before in the history of the sport. It was a weak cop out excuse that Masi clung to, and also largely irrelevant anyway. The rules state that the race must restart at the end of the following lap after drivers receive the message that lapped cars can overtake. Masi restarted the race at the end of the lap that the announcement was made. So this clearing up of 'ambiguity' still doesn't mean the rules were followed correctly. Had he followed the rules as written, the race would never have restarted because there wasn't enough laps left to restart it in accordance with the rules. Had the rules been followed correctly, the race would have 'restarted' as Hamilton crossed the line to win.
An FIA executive has already stated that if Mercedes pursued their appeal, they'd have probably decided that Masi went against the regulations and that they would have voided the result completely which would still have left Max champion, but is a complete admission that Masi's actions were wrong and that had they followed the rules properly, Max would not be world champion. Not sure why we keep finding excuses for Masi/Red Bull. It's crystal clear in the rules that what happened should not have happened, even if you completely ignore the 'some lapped cars can overtake but not others' issue.
The new rule isn’t consistent with what happened. It is not clear that all the cars would have made it past the safety car in time.The stewards accepted that article 15.3 (or whatever it was) that 'the race director has full control over the use of the safety car' superseded the rules about when the safety car had to pit. And since they've taken the +1 lap rule out altogether now, if it all happened again the safety car would pit the same lap as the lapped cars overtaking.
In other words, Masi's creative interpretation of that particular rule is going to stick going forward, even though he shouldn't have done it in Abu Dhabi. The right result by the wrong means.
The stewards accepted that article 15.3 (or whatever it was) that 'the race director has full control over the use of the safety car' superseded the rules about when the safety car had to pit. And since they've taken the +1 lap rule out altogether now, if it all happened again the safety car would pit the same lap as the lapped cars overtaking.
In other words, Masi's creative interpretation of that particular rule is going to stick going forward, even though he shouldn't have done it in Abu Dhabi. The right result by the wrong means.
Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the message “LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE” has been sent to all Competitors using the official messaging system, the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.
The new rule isn’t consistent with what happened. It is not clear that all the cars would have made it past the safety car in time.
Well said. Complete farce of a result. Alas...There was no ambiguity here, hence why it has never been interpreted this way before in the history of the sport. It was a weak cop out excuse that Masi clung to, and also largely irrelevant anyway. The rules state that the race must restart at the end of the following lap after drivers receive the message that lapped cars can overtake. Masi restarted the race at the end of the lap that the announcement was made. So this clearing up of 'ambiguity' still doesn't mean the rules were followed correctly. Had he followed the rules as written, the race would never have restarted because there wasn't enough laps left to restart it in accordance with the rules. Had the rules been followed correctly, the race would have 'restarted' as Hamilton crossed the line to win.
An FIA executive has already stated that if Mercedes pursued their appeal, they'd have probably decided that Masi went against the regulations and that they would have voided the result completely which would still have left Max champion, but is a complete admission that Masi's actions were wrong and that had they followed the rules properly, Max would not be world champion. Not sure why we keep finding excuses for Masi/Red Bull. It's crystal clear in the rules that what happened should not have happened, even if you completely ignore the 'some lapped cars can overtake but not others' issue.
I think it actually sets the context for this new season. The sport and the FIA are walking a tight rope.I wanted Hamilton to win but wasn't really against max winning. What I really wanted was it to be decided on the track and it wasn't which robbed everyone of a great finale. Talking about it is pointless now, time for the new season.
Yeah sure - call him Zlatan7 jr@pauldyson1uk @altodevil
Would it be ok if my 11yr old son joined the league, he’s f1 mad and would probably give some of us a run for our money, he can be mini Zlatan7.
no worries if not
Thanks bud!!Yeah sure - call him Zlatan7 jr
Yeah I'm more excited about seeing Rossi race a car in some nondescript series that I know hardly anything about than f1 returning.[
talking of despised father son combos, I finisher the dts series last night and feel just as shit about the finish all over again now
Apparently a new floor arrived last night in Bahrain ... so I wouldn't be so sure it will take them so will be interesting to see if that makes a big differenceGonna say it now, both Mercedes wont be in the top 6 for the start of the GP on Sunday.
Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
Hopefully, I’d like to see merc get a good start this year. I can’t see Russel being the same kind of no.2 as what bottas was to Lewis, can imagine some infighting and battling for position between the two of them that I hope doesn’t play into red bulls handsApparently a new floor arrived last night in Bahrain ... so I wouldn't be so sure it will take them so will be interesting to see if that makes a big difference
It was pretty quick in the slow sections so if the new floor goes someway to sorting out the porposing I can certainly see one of them in the top 6
Don't get the panicking over Mercedes being slow in testing. They always are. And they always come good. Been that way for years.
yeah go for it , more the merrier .@pauldyson1uk @altodevil
Would it be ok if my 11yr old son joined the league, he’s f1 mad and would probably give some of us a run for our money, he can be mini Zlatan7.
no worries if not
Is this the 6th team hes going to have raced with?
Aston
Racing Point
Renault
Force India
Sauber
Williams
TBF if it was on talent alone it would probably be him and vettell as the drivers with stoll as reserve
Is this the 6th team hes going to have raced with?
Aston
Racing Point
Renault
Force India
Sauber
Williams
TBF if it was on talent alone it would probably be him and vettell as the drivers with stoll as reserve
not being an f1 engineer I cant help but thinking that generating too much downforce and adding some things to the floor that can be adjusted to allow some air to escape sounds easier than finding the additional downforce to start withThe panic over Mercedes is uncalled for. If they are suffering more from porpoising its almost certainly because they are generating the most downforce from their package. If they can't get it sorted for Bahrain, I have no doubt it will take more than a few races. At that point they'll probably have close to a dominant car. Couple Russell being able to take more points of Max, almost certainly a harder line on Max's behaviour and I still think its looking good for Mercedes and Lewis this year.