Cutch
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Djalma and Nilton were no relation Annah
Djalma and Nilton were no relation Annah
Also helps that that '58 side was very gung-ho and he often played as a lone central defender with the Santos bros bombing forward. Still they just conceded 4 goals all tournament. What tipped it over in Bellini's favor was that he played one of the best offensive sides in WC history and acted as a lone central defender with 2 wing-backs successfully.
No pick there Cal
My bad, thanks for the information! Read it on a forum a long time ago and I've been blind ever since.
Sorry, picked, then changed my mind and deleted it quickly before anyone saw... anyway, picked Leandro, the 82 Brazil RB
Don't be racist Anto, they look like brothers to me.![]()
That's not a bad point. I have been on a mission to work out how to best construct an awesome 3-2-5 but 90% of defenders are completely unsuitable or bound to be exposed. Getting hold of the other 10% of course is quite unlikely. Red herring really![]()
Yes I didAnyone pm'd aldo?
My original plan was to do the same but it I don't think it would have been down with the voters. In theory it is absolutely brilliant though. Say you get Bellini and Santos x2 for example, a proven back-line who also provided width at the same time, incredible that they were capable of such things.
Of course even a more realistic three man defense with just top quality picks would be slated most probably. I have played with it in a draft before and some people instantly vote against you if you use it claiming it is tactically impossible to ever play a 3 man defense.
Thanks Aldo
It's very difficult though, and your frontmen have to make up for it. "We'll score more than you" kind of approach, which is always risky. I'm definitely trying it if I get the right personnel.
Sepp Herberger called Hidegkuti the most important player in Hungarian's team and decided he's the one we needed to take out of the game, because he's the one who makes them tick. So he told his defenders whatever happens don't follow him into midfield, stay in defense. That's what happened for example in their famous game against England, Englands defenders were dragged all over the pitch because of Hidegkuti's movement and the rest of the Hungarian players enjoyed the open space. Instead, Herberger used another player, an attacking player with great workrate, to man-mark Hidegkuti and it worked brilliantly.
I think I understand why Anto didn't pick him, still think it's a huge miss for his team. I'm not sure how Anto will set up, but it's almost impossible to recreate that Hungarian team now, imo.
In my defense I told him twice very clearly that he was on my radar. With the restrictions not allowing me to go for another post 70 player, he was the obvious choice.
Good to know I didn't ruin your plans much, as that wasn't really the intention behind picking him. Just went with the best choice available.
That has, however, left me with two quotas done. No more Europeans and post 70 players for me.![]()
I wasn't talking about my man, it's a different player who did that job. Just didn't want to use names because of unpicked players. I just wanted to share what Herberger told about Hidegkuti, I love it that he's picked, he had a brilliant worldcup. Wasn't meant as a criticism to your side, I love your team and you already said it twice, that you want Hidegkuti to get picked and don't mind not getting him. That's why I wrote I understand why you didn't pick himStarting to big up your man?
I never said I was setting out to recreate the entire Hungarian setup, I would have to go 3-2-5 for that. Kocsis would be missing as well and there's no way I can go for 5 pre-70s Europeans, it just gets you too tied up in something people actually won't rate all that much anyway and with no flexibility to go anywhere else. Let's face it, even with Kocsis and Hidegkuti people would look at my side and one like Aldo's and plump for the -largely well assembled- collection of winners.
It's an underdog XI, a homage to the many sides that had a once in a lifetime opportunity and gave it their all. It is only possible to do that by moving beyond the one team. Does it win votes? I don't care, I'm in this for the fun of picking those I have come to cherish and respect for their exploits. Take Gamarra, he was my first defender in there the moment I decided on the theme, it was then a matter of who to partner him with. I'm actually still considering picking his defensive partner for Paraguay. Will that stack up to Scirea-Burgnich? No. Could they stop even the best attacks on their day? They sure could, they were everyone's nemesis in SAM WC qualifying for around a decade: you just couldn't score against Paraguay.
I wasn't talking about my man, it's a different player who did that job. Just didn't want to use names because of unpicked players. I just wanted to share what Herberger told about Hidegkuti, I love it that he's picked, he had a brilliant worldcup. Wasn't meant as a criticism to your side, I love your team and you already said it twice, that you want Hidegkuti to get picked and don't mind not getting him. That's why I wrote I understand why you didn't pick him.
Take Gamarra, he was my first defender in there the moment I decided on the theme, it was then a matter of who to partner him with. I'm actually still considering picking his defensive partner for Paraguay. Will that stack up to Scirea-Burgnich? No. Could they stop even the best attacks on their day? They sure could, they were everyone's nemesis in SAM WC qualifying for around a decade: you just couldn't score against Paraguay.
It's funny how less is known about that German team, when even you have no clue what happend in that final from a German perspective![]()
I'd say exactly two, one in a position that was treated horribly throughout the draft (including by myself) and one who's really difficult to play in a modern formation, imo.There are at least two players from that German team who I think should be picked.