Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegam
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegam
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegam
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá
 
Annahnomoss said:
Also helps that that '58 side was very gung-ho and he often played as a lone central defender with the Santos bros bombing forward. Still they just conceded 4 goals all tournament. What tipped it over in Bellini's favor was that he played one of the best offensive sides in WC history and acted as a lone central defender with 2 wing-backs successfully.
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That's not a bad point. I have been on a mission to work out how to best construct an awesome 3-2-5 but 90% of defenders are completely unsuitable or bound to be exposed. Getting hold of the other 10% of course is quite unlikely. Red herring really :(
 
Annahnomoss said:
My bad, thanks for the information! Read it on a forum a long time ago and I've been blind ever since.
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Maybe this helps with the blindness. Standing 1st and 4th from the left, the Santos brothers.
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Cal? said:
Sorry, picked, then changed my mind and deleted it quickly before anyone saw... anyway, picked Leandro, the 82 Brazil RB
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Ah, OK. Would have been a good foil for Junior if only I had any time for him (non-footballing reasons, well, sort of).
 
antohan said:
That's not a bad point. I have been on a mission to work out how to best construct an awesome 3-2-5 but 90% of defenders are completely unsuitable or bound to be exposed. Getting hold of the other 10% of course is quite unlikely. Red herring really :(
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My original plan was to do the same but it I don't think it would have been down with the voters. In theory it is absolutely brilliant though. Say you get Bellini and Santos x2 for example, a proven back-line who also provided width at the same time, incredible that they were capable of such things.

Of course even a more realistic three man defense with just top quality picks would be slated most probably. I have played with it in a draft before and some people instantly vote against you if you use it claiming it is tactically impossible to ever play a 3 man defense.
 
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Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich 9. Hidegkuti
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegam
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá
 
Annahnomoss said:
My original plan was to do the same but it I don't think it would have been down with the voters. In theory it is absolutely brilliant though. Say you get Bellini and Santos x2 for example, a proven back-line who also provided width at the same time, incredible that they were capable of such things.

Of course even a more realistic three man defense with just top quality picks would be slated most probably. I have played with it in a draft before and some people instantly vote against you if you use it claiming it is tactically impossible to ever play a 3 man defense.
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It's very difficult though, and your frontmen have to make up for it. "We'll score more than you" kind of approach, which is always risky. I'm definitely trying it if I get the right personnel.
 
antohan said:
It's very difficult though, and your frontmen have to make up for it. "We'll score more than you" kind of approach, which is always risky. I'm definitely trying it if I get the right personnel.
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Yeah you really need a working team in front of them like you say. That won't be a trouble for you though having that Hungarian core. If there was any team that knew how to outscore someone it was them. :lol:
 
Sepp Herberger called Hidegkuti the most important player in Hungarian's team and decided he's the one we needed to take out of the game, because he's the one who makes them tick. So he told his defenders whatever happens don't follow him into midfield, stay in defense. That's what happened for example in their famous game against England, Englands defenders were dragged all over the pitch because of Hidegkuti's movement and the rest of the Hungarian players enjoyed the open space. Instead, Herberger used another player, an attacking player with great workrate, to man-mark Hidegkuti and it worked brilliantly.

I think I understand why Anto didn't pick him, still think it's a huge miss for his team. I'm not sure how Anto will set up, but it's almost impossible to recreate that Hungarian team now, imo.
 
In my defense I told him twice very clearly that he was on my radar. With the restrictions not allowing me to go for another post 70 player, he was the obvious choice.
 
Balu said:
Sepp Herberger called Hidegkuti the most important player in Hungarian's team and decided he's the one we needed to take out of the game, because he's the one who makes them tick. So he told his defenders whatever happens don't follow him into midfield, stay in defense. That's what happened for example in their famous game against England, Englands defenders were dragged all over the pitch because of Hidegkuti's movement and the rest of the Hungarian players enjoyed the open space. Instead, Herberger used another player, an attacking player with great workrate, to man-mark Hidegkuti and it worked brilliantly.

I think I understand why Anto didn't pick him, still think it's a huge miss for his team. I'm not sure how Anto will set up, but it's almost impossible to recreate that Hungarian team now, imo.
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:lol: Starting to big up your man?

I never said I was setting out to recreate the entire Hungarian setup, I would have to go 3-2-5 for that. Kocsis would be missing as well and there's no way I can go for 5 pre-70s Europeans, it just gets you too tied up in something people actually won't rate all that much anyway and with no flexibility to go anywhere else. Let's face it, even with Kocsis and Hidegkuti people would look at my side and one like Aldo's and plump for the -largely well assembled- collection of winners.

It's an underdog XI, a homage to the many sides that had a once in a lifetime opportunity and gave it their all. It is only possible to do that by moving beyond the one team. Does it win votes? I don't care, I'm in this for the fun of picking those I have come to cherish and respect for their exploits. Take Gamarra, he was my first defender in there the moment I decided on the theme, it was then a matter of who to partner him with. I'm actually still considering picking his defensive partner for Paraguay. Will that stack up to Scirea-Burgnich? No. Could they stop even the best attacks on their day? They sure could, they were everyone's nemesis in SAM WC qualifying for around a decade: you just couldn't score against Paraguay.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
In my defense I told him twice very clearly that he was on my radar. With the restrictions not allowing me to go for another post 70 player, he was the obvious choice.
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Man, I meant the thanks. IF I go through then I can see what is available next, which may be what I wanted to form a cracking side. If not available then I would be happy to pick up the rest of the Magyars and go down in flames with them. You can't have your cake and eat it, but the cake is still on the table so long as they are all in the game.
 
It just makes it funnier for everybody to have that sort of mentality. Becomes a lesson of forgotten players greatness rather than just picking after a list of "the top 100 WC performances".
 
Good to know I didn't ruin your plans much, as that wasn't really the intention behind picking him. Just went with the best choice available.

That has, however, left me with two quotas done. No more Europeans and post 70 players for me. :D
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Good to know I didn't ruin your plans much, as that wasn't really the intention behind picking him. Just went with the best choice available.

That has, however, left me with two quotas done. No more Europeans and post 70 players for me. :D
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I noticed. I've had you marked as green since before Burgnich, i.e. I'm not in the least bit bothered who you pick because it clearly won't be one of the ones I want. It's only Theon, rpitroda, annah, Fergus and the three after me not in green yet and I'm pretty sure I can manage whatever they pick as I have a few options being juggled.

BTW, I would rather reunite the Honved quartet before bothering with Hidegkuti. Of course he was important, but I think the affinity runs through the Honved ones and what Hidegkuti brought was the marvel of a team playing with two playmakers, one from deep and one further up the pitch. In possession Bozsik will remain deep, while Neeskens can do a wonderful Hidegkuti impersonation in the final third IMO.
 
antohan said:
:lol: Starting to big up your man?

I never said I was setting out to recreate the entire Hungarian setup, I would have to go 3-2-5 for that. Kocsis would be missing as well and there's no way I can go for 5 pre-70s Europeans, it just gets you too tied up in something people actually won't rate all that much anyway and with no flexibility to go anywhere else. Let's face it, even with Kocsis and Hidegkuti people would look at my side and one like Aldo's and plump for the -largely well assembled- collection of winners.

It's an underdog XI, a homage to the many sides that had a once in a lifetime opportunity and gave it their all. It is only possible to do that by moving beyond the one team. Does it win votes? I don't care, I'm in this for the fun of picking those I have come to cherish and respect for their exploits. Take Gamarra, he was my first defender in there the moment I decided on the theme, it was then a matter of who to partner him with. I'm actually still considering picking his defensive partner for Paraguay. Will that stack up to Scirea-Burgnich? No. Could they stop even the best attacks on their day? They sure could, they were everyone's nemesis in SAM WC qualifying for around a decade: you just couldn't score against Paraguay.
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I wasn't talking about my man, it's a different player who did that job. Just didn't want to use names because of unpicked players. I just wanted to share what Herberger told about Hidegkuti, I love it that he's picked, he had a brilliant worldcup. Wasn't meant as a criticism to your side, I love your team and you already said it twice, that you want Hidegkuti to get picked and don't mind not getting him. That's why I wrote I understand why you didn't pick him ;).
 
Balu said:
I wasn't talking about my man, it's a different player who did that job. Just didn't want to use names because of unpicked players. I just wanted to share what Herberger told about Hidegkuti, I love it that he's picked, he had a brilliant worldcup. Wasn't meant as a criticism to your side, I love your team and you already said it twice, that you want Hidegkuti to get picked and don't mind not getting him. That's why I wrote I understand why you didn't pick him ;).
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Max?
 
It's funny how less is known about that German team, when even you have no clue what happend in that final from a German perspective :lol:
 
antohan said:
Take Gamarra, he was my first defender in there the moment I decided on the theme, it was then a matter of who to partner him with. I'm actually still considering picking his defensive partner for Paraguay. Will that stack up to Scirea-Burgnich? No. Could they stop even the best attacks on their day? They sure could, they were everyone's nemesis in SAM WC qualifying for around a decade: you just couldn't score against Paraguay.
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Gamarra's a great pick albeit one who presents certain challenges. I had a hard job selling him in the 70s draft, but with a sharper focus on his impeccable World Cup form, he may get the credit he deserves.
 
Balu said:
It's funny how less is known about that German team, when even you have no clue what happend in that final from a German perspective :lol:
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I don't, absolutely. As I mentioned earlier regarding Ocwirk, my grandad stories reflect how he followed that World Cup, i.e. watched Uruguay, and Hungary as the team to beat, and once that game was over the World Cup was over. He just showed up at the final to watch a game of football and was surprised Germany won it at all. So were the Germans I understand! I would guess most followed it on a similar basis, which would explain why you have a WC winning team no one seems to have a clue about :lol:
 
AldoPaine18 said:
There are at least two players from that German team who I think should be picked.
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I'd say exactly two, one in a position that was treated horribly throughout the draft (including by myself) and one who's really difficult to play in a modern formation, imo.
 
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