Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

Balu said:
I don't really understand?

'pre 72' is the same as '1970 and earlier'? No one changed anything, it's always been that way.
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"3. at most 6 from 1970 and earlier" -


It is a difference in "You need 6 players pre 1970's and 6 post 1970's", it would mean that 1970's WC counts as post.

However the rule says you need 6 players who had their first world cup 1970 OR earlier. Like I said I am not bothered at all but I think there has to be detailed 100% clear rules for future notice. This game after all takes up a lot of time and effort so it sucks having unspecified rules .The same goes for the specification on how to judge players - it is also completely impossible to interpret.

Basically there were discussions outside of this thread which not everybody were part of. So anybody who came in new have no idea what rules actually apply.

I have read the entire thread because I know rules can be updated here and there, but it took me a PM with Antohan half-way in to the draft before anybody had specified how we will evaluate players.
 
Yes, but the opening post was clear from the beginning and nothing has changed since then?
 
at most 6 from 1 continent- 5 european 4 south american so far
at most 7 WC winners (reduced to 6 from Semi onwards)- 6 winners
at most 6 from 1970 and earlier or post 1970 (go by player's first appearance)- 2 from pre 1970 7 from after.

Does this mean I have to pick only players pre 1970 to have a team within the rules?
 
Desert Eagle said:
at most 6 from 1 continent- 5 european 4 south american so far
at most 7 WC winners (reduced to 6 from Semi onwards)- 6 winners
at most 6 from 1970 and earlier or post 1970 (go by player's first appearance)- 2 from pre 1970 7 from after.

Does this mean I have to pick only players pre 1970 to have a team within the rules?
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Yes =P.
 
Fergus' son said:
You picked Seeler at the right time ;)
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I was worried about you and Cutch (Muller-Seeler :eek:). That's what all that nonsense on CB and RB picks was about yesterday, making Rpitroda and Annah commit, while hinting at you I was leaving the striker late. I'm so evil :devil:

:lol:

Annahnomoss said:
I would have a completely other team as well if I knew about the pre 72 rule. But I am not too bothered it has been fun and there is always a next draft.

I mean to rules are crystal clear that it is players from 1970 and earlier.

"3. at most 6 from 1970 and earlier"
Anyhow like I said I couldn't care more, but it would be nice to have the rules update when they change - and in general be much more detailed to start with.
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The rules were very clear from the off. It also made sense to have 1970 on the older side or else it was completely lop-sided. If I had even for a moment thought 1970 was modern I would have read twice as it made no sense whatsoever.
 
I agree that they were clear I withdraw my statement and it was a mistake on me rather than the OP being unclear.
 
Desert Eagle said:
at most 6 from 1 continent- 5 european 4 south american so far
at most 7 WC winners (reduced to 6 from Semi onwards)- 6 winners
at most 6 from 1970 and earlier or post 1970 (go by player's first appearance)- 2 from pre 1970 7 from after.

Does this mean I have to pick only players pre 1970 to have a team within the rules?
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Exactly, and one of your post70s will become a sub. I flagged it yesterday as soon as you picked Branco. It may sound ridiculous but I have a tab where I keep everyone's tally. Don't care that much who the players are, but the tally is quite enlightening on what way people will go with their picks.

Bollocks, I sense all this shit will put at least one of my late picks at risk now with people having to revisit their strategy. :mad:
 
Annahnomoss said:
I would have a completely other team as well if I knew about the pre 72 rule. But I am not too bothered it has been fun and there is always a next draft.

I mean to rules are crystal clear that it is players from 1970 and earlier.

"3. at most 6 from 1970 and earlier"
Anyhow like I said I couldn't care more, but it would be nice to have the rules update when they change - and in general be much more detailed to start with.
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Balu said:
I don't really understand?

'pre 72' is the same as '1970 and earlier'? No one changed anything, it's always been that way.
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Annahnomoss said:
"3. at most 6 from 1970 and earlier" -


It is a difference in "You need 6 players pre 1970's and 6 post 1970's", it would mean that 1970's WC counts as post.

However the rule says you need 6 players who had their first world cup 1970 OR earlier. Like I said I am not bothered at all but I think there has to be detailed 100% clear rules for future notice. This game after all takes up a lot of time and effort so it sucks having unspecified rules .The same goes for the specification on how to judge players - it is also completely impossible to interpret.

Basically there were discussions outside of this thread which not everybody were part of. So anybody who came in new have no idea what rules actually apply.

I have read the entire thread because I know rules can be updated here and there, but it took me a PM with Antohan half-way in to the draft before anybody had specified how we will evaluate players.
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Balu said:
Yes, but the opening post was clear from the beginning and nothing has changed since then?
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antohan said:
I was worried about you and Cutch (Muller-Seeler :eek:). That's what all that nonsense on CB and RB picks was about yesterday, making Rpitroda and Annah commit, while hinting at you I was leaving the striker late. I'm so evil :devil:

:lol:



The rules were very clear from the off. It also made sense to have 1970 on the older side or else it was completely lop-sided. If I had even for a moment thought 1970 was modern I would have read twice as it made no sense whatsoever.
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Yes, the rules were clear from the off: at most 6 from 1970 or earlier
It has not changed, the other managers can vouch for that
 
antohan said:
Exactly, and one of your post70s will become a sub. I flagged it yesterday as soon as you picked Branco. It may sound ridiculous but I have a tab where I keep everyone's tally. Don't care that much who the players are, but the tally is quite enlightening on what way people will go with their picks.

Bollocks, I sense all this shit will put at least one of my late picks at risk now with people having to revisit their strategy. :mad:
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I usually do that as well. Haven't done so this time because I haven't had the time.
 
antohan said:
I was worried about you and Cutch (Muller-Seeler :eek:). That's what all that nonsense on CB and RB picks was about yesterday, making Rpitroda and Annah commit, while hinting at you I was leaving the striker late. I'm so evil :devil:

:lol:



The rules were very clear from the off. It also made sense to have 1970 on the older side or else it was completely lop-sided. If I had even for a moment thought 1970 was modern I would have read twice as it made no sense whatsoever.
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:lol:

I don't even pay attention to your red herrings anymore, I know better! You claimed to be worried that I would take your striker about 5 picks ago and only just got round to picking him yourself!
 
Been too busy lately to go through the teams and comments on here in detail
Just want to say this is perhaps the strongest pool of managers assembled so far and it shows in the drafting
Hope all can enjoy reminiscing about great WC players and their exploits
Looking forward to the contributions from all
 
Fergus' son said:
:lol:

I don't even pay attention to your red herrings anymore, I know better! You claimed to be worried that I would take your striker about 5 picks ago and only just got round to picking him yourself!
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I didn't think you guys were on Seeler then, thought both you and Pol were after Rummenigge and just wanted to prompt you to show your hand. Not that it worked but, as said, balls of steel, kudos.
 
Polaroid said:
Been too busy lately to go through the teams and comments on here in detail
Just want to say this is perhaps the strongest pool of managers assembled so far and it shows in the drafting
Hope all can enjoy reminiscing about great WC players and their exploits
Looking forward to the contributions from all
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This is what I'm enjoying most at the moment.

Youtube even has the old BBC opening and closing reels for Italia '90. Des Lynam & the Pavarotti song!
 
antohan said:
I didn't think you guys were on Seeler then, thought both you and Pol were after Rummenigge and just wanted to prompt you to show your hand. Not that it worked but, as said, balls of steel, kudos.
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Considered Rummenigge but decided against it - great great player but pity he was never fully fit at the WC to be anywhere near his best.
 
Polaroid said:
Considered Rummenigge but decided against it - great great player but pity he was never fully fit at the WC to be anywhere near his best.
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I still think that's harsh on his worldcup in 82, he was brilliant in the beginning, just got unlucky with his injury during the tournament.
 
@annahnomoss, what's holding you up? You've been on the thread while your turn is on.

Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich 9. Hidegkuti
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegem 9. Maier
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff 9. Eyzaguirre
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini 9. Clodoaldo
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn 9. Julinho
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia 9.Branco
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini 9. Stam
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez 9. Mauro Silva 10. Ricardo Zamora
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros 9. Banks 10. Rummenigge
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar 9. Ceulemans 10. Haan
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra 9. Seeler 10. Chilavert
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato 9. Zagallo 10. Jorginho
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta 9. F Albert 10. F Walter
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá 9. Gascoigne 10. Cerezo
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich 9. Hidegkuti
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegem 9. Maier
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff 9. Eyzaguirre
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini 9. Clodoaldo
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn 9. Julinho
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia 9.Branco
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini 9. Stam 10. Zambrotta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez 9. Mauro Silva 10. Ricardo Zamora
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros 9. Banks 10. Rummenigge
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar 9. Ceulemans 10. Haan
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra 9. Seeler 10. Chilavert
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato 9. Zagallo 10. Jorginho
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta 9. F Albert 10. F Walter
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá 9. Gascoigne 10. Cerezo

Desert Eagle said:
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Still around? It's your turn, Desert, just in case you also missed Annah's post.
 
BTW, Desert, you have blown both the post-70 AND the winner quota. You are already on 7, can't have more than 7 and you would be better off having less than 7 as you will need to go down to 6 for the second game, right after getting four drafting rounds were you will invariably want a winner or two.

If you pick one more winner or post-70 player you simply can't field an XI in your first game.
 
Cutch said:
It's down to 6 winners from the semi onwards Anto, which is 6 picks later
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Oh! Either way, if he is sitting on 7 already it would be insane to keep piling them up. The beauty of those 6 picks is maybe having access to some huge 1-3rd round picks which are largely winners.
 
Will post my pick soon boys give me a minute. At least I can still field a team. Would have been tragic to draft and not even field an eligible 11.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Will post my pick soon boys give me a minute. At least I can still field a team. Would have been tragic to draft and not even field an eligible 11.
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Gio nearly had to field a team with 2 goalkeepers in the starting 11, buffon upfront iirc. Luckily we let him off the hook. In your case if you made a feckup i'm sure we'd be able to get it changed.
 
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich 9. Hidegkuti
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegem 9. Maier
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff 9. Eyzaguirre
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini 9. Clodoaldo
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn 9. Julinho
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia 9.Branco 10. Grosics
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini 9. Stam 10. Zambrotta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez 9. Mauro Silva 10. Ricardo Zamora
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros 9. Banks 10. Rummenigge
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar 9. Ceulemans 10. Haan
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra 9. Seeler 10. Chilavert
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato 9. Zagallo 10. Jorginho
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta 9. F Albert 10. F Walter
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá 9. Gascoigne 10. Cerezo
 
Cutch said:
Gio nearly had to field a team with 2 goalkeepers in the starting 11, buffon upfront iirc. Luckily we let him off the hook. In your case if you made a feckup i'm sure we'd be able to get it changed.
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haha cheers mate. I have to say though the rules were very clear, my own fault for completely winging the draft.
 
Jayvin picks Mauro Ramos

Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich 9. Hidegkuti
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegem 9. Maier
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff 9. Eyzaguirre
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini 9. Clodoaldo
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn 9. Julinho 10. Mauro Ramos
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia 9.Branco 10. Grosics
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini 9. Stam 10. Zambrotta
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez 9. Mauro Silva 10. Ricardo Zamora
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros 9. Banks 10. Rummenigge
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar 9. Ceulemans 10. Haan
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra 9. Seeler 10. Chilavert
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato 9. Zagallo 10. Jorginho
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta 9. F Albert 10. F Walter
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá 9. Gascoigne 10. Cerezo

@paceme
 
Some great looking teams, I always seems to miss these drafts :mad:. The fact Messi was picked in the 7th round means it is based SOLELY on world cup performance and in that case I look forward to picking the brains of the older/historically knowledgeable posters.
 
JaffyJoe said:
Some great looking teams, I always seems to miss these drafts :mad:. The fact Messi was picked in the 7th round means it is based SOLELY on world cup performance and in that case I look forward to picking the brains of the older/historically knowledgeable posters.
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That is correct, all club football and other international football is completely excluded and in theory should not be considered at all. So in this draft Messi/Cristiano are more at the level of Nani, great overall play but they lack in terms of finishing touches. Players are also considered to only be able to play in the positions they have proven in the WC.

Of course as a big part of voters simply watch the .jpg's they can still be great picks vote-wise.
 
Annahnomoss said:
That is correct, all club football and other international football is completely excluded and in theory should not be considered at all. So in this draft Messi/Cristiano are more at the level of Nani, great overall play but they lack in terms of finishing touches. Players are also considered to only be able to play in the positions they have proven in the WC.

Of course as a big part of voters simply watch the .jpg's they can still be great picks vote-wise.
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It must be hard to not pick players who were great and fro some reason or another couldn't get it together for a wc. The later rounds will includethese kind of picks surely.
 
JaffyJoe said:
It must be hard to not pick players who were great and fro some reason or another couldn't get it together for a wc. The later rounds will includethese kind of picks surely.
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It's not really that hard, imo. There are so many players who performed great and it's fun to talk about them. Why cry about someone who didn't show up, when you can talk about some players who actually did and surpassed expectations.
 
Balu said:
It's not really that hard, imo. There are so many players who performed great and it's fun to talk about them. Why cry about someone who didn't show up, when you can talk about some players who actually did and surpassed expectations.
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True, I checked a few who were great players and didn't have great wc's and there not in there so I guess your right.
 
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